Putin: Russia to redevelop it's nuclear and aviation arsenal as 'partner' NATO turns enemy
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[QUOTE=elowin;45948851]Mutually Assured Destruction
If they launch even a single nuke, they will get a couple dozen of them right back.[/QUOTE]
MAD isn't full proof as people like to think. Aside from the occasional glitch in the system that nearly brought about the end of the world, there were plenty of times people were fully aware and still pushed us to the edge and were only brought down by others around them.
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I'm more worried about the "dead hand" system aimed at everyone and their submarines.
The submarines have been for weeks undetected in USA's water, some of them able to carry 6 nukes if I remember correct.
It'll be the entire world VS Russia.
Well at least the US and Europe vs Russia.
Maybe Kim in North Korea might try something but we probably don't have to worry about that.
And maybe Iran flips it's shit but they've been quiet lately. And I doubt we have to worry about those ISIS cavemen for the time being.
So yeah I guess it's a world war but it would only really be one front... unless for some reason China got involved and I doubt they'd do that since they seem to be headed towards more EU and US friendly relations and I expect full-on democracy in their future.
[QUOTE=Elspin;45947511]What kind of fucking endgame is that though? "Haha we trashed Ukraine and in exchange we got trashed as well and now we're being occupied by the US like Japan after world war 2 haha victory for Russia haha Russia strong"
Seriously if that's Russia's goal, to just dick with a few countries before ultimately getting wiped out and replaced with a US sponsored government I think Putin should probably rethink his priorities[/QUOTE]
I don't think he really cares about his countries well being. He cares more about his own image, his approval rating is really high in Russia and he will be remembered as a great politician there for quite some time. I think to him that's the only thing that really matters.
I wouldn't really be surprised if he ended up dead from radiation poisoning like so many others that opposed him
[QUOTE=Saxon;45949290]I don't think he really cares about his countries well being. He cares more about his own image, his approval rating is really high in Russia and he will be remembered as a great politician there for quite some time. I think to him that's the only thing that really matters.
I wouldn't really be surprised if he ended up dead from radiation poisoning like so many others that opposed him[/QUOTE]
That's what I'm worried about. If he doesn't give a shit about his country then whats to stop him nuking?
While it isn't good that they are still relying on nuclear weapons them doing this might not be a bad thing.
Consider the following:
Old nukes can be countered by anti-missile defence therefore rending mad useless and stopping the possibility of a cold war thus enabling the possibility of either an actual war where thousands die or someone to nuke them with no fear of retaliation.
By developing nukes not vulnerable to defences they are allowing MAD to continue existing, which while not pleasant is safer than actual conflict. Assuming no nukes are accidentally launched.
[QUOTE=Elspin;45947511]What kind of fucking endgame is that though? "Haha we trashed Ukraine and in exchange we got trashed as well and now we're being occupied by the US like Japan after world war 2 haha victory for Russia haha Russia strong"
Seriously if that's Russia's goal, to just dick with a few countries before ultimately getting wiped out and replaced with a US sponsored government I think Putin should probably rethink his priorities[/QUOTE]
Lol what the hell is this? Under what insane circumstances would any country ever "occupy Russia" or whatever bullshit you're suggesting?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45948895]This gif couldn't be more appropriate for the thread
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Indeed, my friend. Expect Berlin to be split again by a piece of concrete.
What are even the point of nukes, Its not like they are ever going to be used, Right? right?:tinfoil:
Nuke aren't going to be used, Putin isn't near as reckless as the war generals of the early 50's, who were practically calling for most of northeast asia to be nuked.
Well, let's hope that in a week there's a follow-up headline saying "Vault-Tec starts building massive fallout shelters as a safety net for the coming apocalypse".
Well I sure feel like my geological location could be better right now.
[QUOTE=SgtTupelo;45950736]Well I sure feel like my geological location could be better right now.[/QUOTE]
me too
putin isnt stupid enough to start a full-blown out war with the entire world no matter how many people are saying this is going to be a war, etc.
[editline]11th September 2014[/editline]
he's actually doing a good thing by bringing russia back to a somewhat ok state, economically and military-wise and that's why he's there for so long, because he has proved himself and everyone else who wants to sit in the president's spot is so shit we have no option
[QUOTE=Melnek;45948246]Literally first line of the article.[/QUOTE]
Putin also said that his soldiers weren't in Ukraine.
[QUOTE=SexualShark;45947575]If we ever did get in a war with the russkies, itd be a regional war and itd probably be short lived.[/QUOTE]
It would either drag on for a decade with nothing happening other than small skirmishes, or it'd be over in a year with an army of drones and bombs being thrown at the Russians until Putin dies or they capitulate.
[QUOTE=Mr_Sun;45949056]It'll be the entire world VS Russia.
Well at least the US and Europe vs Russia.
Maybe Kim in North Korea might try something but we probably don't have to worry about that.
And maybe Iran flips it's shit but they've been quiet lately. And I doubt we have to worry about those ISIS cavemen for the time being.
So yeah I guess it's a world war but it would only really be one front... unless for some reason China got involved and I doubt they'd do that since they seem to be headed towards more EU and US friendly relations and I expect full-on democracy in their future.[/QUOTE]
China is exponentially getting better relations with Russia year after year. While Beijing only really cares about Beijing and wouldn't join a fight on Russia's side, you could probably expect them to supply resources over to Russia in such a scenario.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;45953657]China is exponentially getting better relations with Russia year after year. While Beijing only really cares about Beijing and wouldn't join a fight on Russia's side, you could probably expect them to supply resources over to Russia in such a scenario.[/QUOTE]Not really. If the west and Russia were to come to blows, China would drop Russia in a heartbeat. China values the massively wealthy western markets far more than Russia's ramshackle mess of a market. If it were a choice between continuing to do business with the west or continue doing business with Russia, China would not have a second thought about cutting Russia out. And its not even the slightest secret that the U.S. would absolutely make China choose. Hell, the government wouldn't even have to do anything, businesses here in the U.S. would do it for them simply by going "Hey, we can't be seen as supporting people we are fighting against in any way. We have to pull out unless you cut ties with Russia."
So I get to experience the Second Cold War?
When NATO improves their weapons tech in Europe, it's just standard upgrades and "just in case". No one considers that it's going to worry the Russian government. And when Russia does the same thing, western media claims we're on the brink of war.
I mean honestly people.
And all of this is pretty standard. There isn't going to be an arms race, cold war, or world war 3.
LOL at you guys who think that there is going to be a third world war, that nukes are going to be used.
Have you ever heard of MAD? Go look up "Mutually Assured Destruction" on Wikipedia and read the whole article and think about that before you go all :tinfoil: and post crazy shit about how you think there is going to be a war.
[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;45956230]LOL at you guys who think that there is going to be a third world war, that nukes are going to be used.
Have you ever heard of MAD? Go look up "Mutually Assured Destruction" on Wikipedia and read the whole article and think about that before you go all :tinfoil: and post crazy shit about how you think there is going to be a war.[/QUOTE]MAD doesn't really work so well. There were plenty of times glitches nearly caused one side or the other to launch, and several occasions of men who had the potential to start the war and were more than willing to do so, only to be stopped at the last minute by those around them. MAD didn't keep us from killing each other, luck did.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;45954963]Not really. If the west and Russia were to come to blows, China would drop Russia in a heartbeat. China values the massively wealthy western markets far more than Russia's ramshackle mess of a market. If it were a choice between continuing to do business with the west or continue doing business with Russia, China would not have a second thought about cutting Russia out. And its not even the slightest secret that the U.S. would absolutely make China choose. Hell, the government wouldn't even have to do anything, businesses here in the U.S. would do it for them simply by going "Hey, we can't be seen as supporting people we are fighting against in any way. We have to pull out unless you cut ties with Russia."[/QUOTE]
China is closer to Russia than you think. While they may not be "military allies", they are actively engaging in more and more economic and military cooperation. They seek the same multipolar world as opposed to the U.S. hegemony. Now Russia will supply a large portion of single sourced oil to China which will further entwine them. They're already politically aligned. They both like landgrabs, they both follow eachothers vote in the UNSC and support eachothers acts of imperialism.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;45947541]How many decades until Russia collapses this time?[/QUOTE]
Wait about 50 years.
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