Girl, 8, wants to be 1st patient at SickKids transgender clinic - Polidicks

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;42574536]There is [b][u]NO WAY[/b][/u] to "fix" gender identity disorder apart from taking hormones to transition. There is evidence out there to support transgenderism could be caused by hormonal imbalances in the brain, as well as supporting evidence that the brains of transgender individuals resemble that of the brains in the cisgender people they identify as. "Fixing" them without drugs is only putting a mental block and forcing denial which leads to a much worse outcome later on in life.[QUOTE] You mean that there is no [B]better [/B]way to fix gender identity disorder that you're currently aware of. [QUOTE]You're clearly not since you're making these arguments. That and the fact you believe GID can be "cured" without taking hormones. You know why? [b]Because you aren't fucking transgender. You do not understand.[/b][/QUOTE] No need to be rude. And again, tell me what transgendered people did 100 years ago when these options weren't available. What happened then? Did the world grind to a halt because these things weren't available? Just because they are available today that doesn't automatically make them the be all and end all of solutions. [QUOTE]Yes, it is. Because as I've said, we all develop a sense of our gender as early as 2 to 3 years old. Being transgender is not just waking up one morning saying, "I don't want to be a boy/girl anymore." There's a lot of crippling depression, self-hatred, suicidal tendencies, and much more with it. A person who thinks they are trans will eventually figure out whether they truly are or not after a few or so years. But if the problem has been persisting for many years then perhaps they really are transgender and require these hormones to be happy. Why not let them transition fully while they are still young so they can have the proper childhood and teenage years in the right body? I figured myself out at 19 after living in denial for so many years. You have no fucking idea how upset I get when I think about not growing as a female or being a teenage girl. If I think about it long enough it gets to be downright crippling.[/QUOTE] But if a child knows their gender when they are 2 or 3 how come it took you until the age of 19? I've spoken to a few 2-3 year olds before and it hasn't made for the most interesting discussion. Don't you think there is some small danger in taking potentially life changing decisions from a 2-3 year old? Why not just skip their toddler years completely and check their DNA! No problems there I'm sure!

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42574487]Various awful posts.[/QUOTE] How in the almighty fuck have you not been permad yet? You're like all of the intolerance, stupidity and hatred of FP rolled up into a characture of a human being. Your opinions are mostly toxic, usually bigoted and just awful in general. You have no knowledge on the subject but insist that people that study it and research for it are wrong to make the decisions and conclusions they do. Just go already. Nobody wants you here but the other bigots and morons.

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42574384]So you're saying that letting kids know that the answer to all of life's problems are in pharmaceuticals is an idea without any potential drawbacks? [editline]19th October 2013[/editline] And given some of the alarming rates at which children are prescribed things like ADD medication etc, would you say you have complete faith in the decisions of doctors to give these drugs to children? I don't have that much faith in that side of things.[/QUOTE] Clearly what we should do is force kids to suffer existential depression because lol pills, seriously? You'd actually rather the kids weren't gave meds that stand a good chance at actually helping them enjoy their lives because you think they're suddenly gonna become pill fiends?

[QUOTE=codemaster85;42574539]first of all, the argument is that gender identity is recognized extremely early and trying to force it to normal is extremely detrimental to their mental health. and second, it doesnt fucking permanently alter the body for fucks sake. why dont you get banned for not reading any argument at all, hell not even reading the articles or the subject.[/QUOTE] Actually I read [URL="http://www.gires.org.uk/assets/DOH-Assets/pdf/doh-hormone-therapy.pdf"]this article[/URL]: [QUOTE]"If you are a trans woman, it may be possible to restore your sperm production by stopping hormone therapy. It is not known how long it takes for treatment to make you infertile and it will vary from person to person. If you have your testes removed, you will be permanently infertile. If you are a trans man, testosterone treatment appears to take much longer to make you permanently infertile, but again, it is not known how long. If you have your ovaries removed, you cannot get pregnant naturally; pregnancy is impossible once a hysterectomy is performed."[/QUOTE] Sure sounds like those changes might not be permanent! Sounds like sure science too! I'm sure they'll have all the kinks ironed out by the time little johnny is in his early 40s!

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42574613]Actually I read [URL="http://www.gires.org.uk/assets/DOH-Assets/pdf/doh-hormone-therapy.pdf"]this article[/URL]: Sure sounds like those changes might not be permanent! Sounds like sure science too! I'm sure they'll have all the kinks ironed out by the time little johnny is in his early 40s![/QUOTE] Why do you care so much about what other people do to their own hormones?

[QUOTE=hexpunK;42574605]How in the almighty fuck have you not been permad yet? You're like all of the intolerance, stupidity and hatred of FP rolled up into a characture of a human being. Your opinions are mostly toxic, usually bigoted and just awful in general. You have no knowledge on the subject but insist that people that study it and research for it are wrong to make the decisions and conclusions they do. Just go already. Nobody wants you here but the other bigots and morons.[/QUOTE] I'm sure that providing an open forum for people to discuss these issues and more would totally not lead to a reduction in bigotry. I sure didn't visit a publicly accessible forum to learn anything more about this world. It is a far better idea that we ban all people who disagree with your opinion and we make transgender, gay and female people completely immune from any form of criticism. All current medical techniques will never be conceivably improved in the near future and it is a great idea to fill 8 year olds with powerful medications (answer: because transgendered people) Its like reading an Anita Sarkeesian thread, every answer on one those is the same thing! Because Anita Sarkeesian!

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42574595]You mean that there is no [B]better [/B]way to fix gender identity disorder that you're currently aware of.[/quote] Yes, because transitioning is the best way. Is that really a hard concept to grasp? [quote]No need to be rude. And again, tell me what transgendered people did 100 years ago when these options weren't available. What happened then? Did the world grind to a halt because these things weren't available? Just because they are available today that doesn't automatically make them the be all and end all of solutions.[/quote] There's no need to talk out of your ass too but here we are. And those people probably lived with the pain or killed themselves. Or they were religiously brainwashed or some shit. And yet it has been figured out that transitioning is the solution and it kept many from killing themselves and now they're happy. Imagine that shit. [quote]But if a child knows their gender when they are 2 or 3 how come it took you until the age of 19?[/quote] I just told you. Denial. Every case is different. I've seen some not realizing it until their 50s and even 60s. [quote]I've spoken to a few 2-3 year olds before and it hasn't made for the most interesting discussion.[/quote] No, really? :downs: [quote]Don't you think there is some small danger in taking potentially life changing decisions from a 2-3 year old? Why not just skip their toddler years completely and check their DNA! No problems there I'm sure![/QUOTE] What? Now you're just spouting nonsense.

[QUOTE=LarparNar;42574628]Why do you care so much about what other people do to their own hormones?[/QUOTE] You mean I have concern that some 8 year old kid might unwittingly be filled with very serious medications and it might not always turn out all peachy and rosy and that there might be something wrong with that? Oh wait that's right! I forgot! Because: transgender people. Sorry for even considering ideas and ideals different to yours! Gee these forums are sure great, where everyone is mandated to have the same opinion.

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42574650]You mean I have concern that some 8 year old kid might unwittingly be filled with very serious medications and it might not always turn out all peachy and rosy and that there might be something wrong with that? Oh wait that's right! I forgot! Because: transgender people. Sorry for even considering ideas and ideals different to yours! Gee these forums are sure great, where everyone is mandated to have the same opinion.[/QUOTE] nobody is forcing any 8 year old to be filled with medication jesus christ, just stop?

When they say "surgery", what exactly does that mean? Do they cut the wee wee off or something?

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42574650]You mean I have concern that some 8 year old kid might unwittingly be filled with very serious medications and it might not always turn out all peachy and rosy and that there might be something wrong with that? Oh wait that's right! I forgot! Because: transgender people. Sorry for even considering ideas and ideals different to yours! Gee these forums are sure great, where everyone is mandated to have the same opinion.[/QUOTE] Um it's her choice and she's taking a risk but so what it's her choice to make and who the fuck are you to say it's not right if it's what she wants? Even if it might end up bad, if she doesn't go on a hormone blocking treatment the chance of things not turning out peachy and rosy are even greater, as shown by the high transgender suicide rate. Rocket science!

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;42574652]nobody is forcing any 8 year old to be filled with medication jesus christ, just stop?[/QUOTE] What? Don't you know they're strapped down to tables and pumped full of drugs? IV tubes all day, every day just constantly pumped full of hormones to addle their mind and destroy their brain. Really there's no point arguing with the guy, he's obviously a genuine retard, it would be a better use of your time doing literally anything else.

that might be so!

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;42574669]When they say "surgery", what exactly does that mean? Do they cut the wee wee off or something?[/QUOTE] The testicles are removed and the penis is sliced in half and inverted up into the body and make it look like a vagina. It functions the same as any other vagina but it doesn't self-lubricate.

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;42574636]Yes, because transitioning is the best way. Is that really a hard concept to grasp?[/QUOTE] Great comprehension skills; are you seriously saying that there is no possibility that in the near future there will not be medical advancements that dwarf these surgical procedures and medications. Its a great idea that the first course of action besides therapy are drugs that permanently change your body! No shortcomings with that thinking! [QUOTE]There's no need to talk out of your ass too but here we are. And those people probably lived with the pain or killed themselves. Or they were religiously brainwashed or some shit. And yet it has been figured out that transitioning is the solution and it kept many from killing themselves and now they're happy. Imagine that shit.[/QUOTE] So your answer to 100 years ago is seriously something along the lines of "some shit"? [QUOTE]I just told you. Denial. Every case is different. I've seen some not realizing it until their 50s and even 60s.[/QUOTE] So it isn't at all conceivable to you that someone might think the wrong way until they are of legal age? What about the cases (however few you like to claim they are) where people regret their decision? Wasn't there some person recently who was extremely unhappy with their surgery and killed themselves because of it? [QUOTE]What? Now you're just spouting nonsense.[/QUOTE] No I'm not. My DNA says I have a higher predisposition to Alzheimer's by a fairly significant factor. What if some kids DNA said he had a predisposition to gender identity disorder and doctors gave him medication from birth! Its a great idea! He'd have no issues 'passing' for sure!

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;42574689]The testicles are removed and the penis is sliced in half and inverted up into the body and make it look like a vagina. It functions the same as any other vagina but it doesn't self-lubricate.[/QUOTE] You cant get any sexual pleasure out of it can you?

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;42574697]You cant get any sexual pleasure out of it can you?[/QUOTE] nerve endings are still there, but i'm no expert on the topic

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;42574697]You cant get any sexual pleasure out of it can you?[/QUOTE] I imagine you would, it's not like part of the process is cauterising your dick.

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42574613]Actually I read [URL="http://www.gires.org.uk/assets/DOH-Assets/pdf/doh-hormone-therapy.pdf"]this article[/URL]: Sure sounds like those changes might not be permanent! Sounds like sure science too! I'm sure they'll have all the kinks ironed out by the time little johnny is in his early 40s![/QUOTE] except thats IF you get actual hormone therapy, the kid is getting just blockers which has no effect. again read the fucking article.

[QUOTE=bravehat;42574683]What? Don't you know they're strapped down to tables and pumped full of drugs? IV tubes all day, every day just constantly pumped full of hormones to addle their mind and destroy their brain. Really there's no point arguing with the guy, he's obviously a genuine retard, it would be a better use of your time doing literally anything else.[/QUOTE] What if a kid says he has gender identity disorder but the parents disagree? What if the parents say a kid has gender identity disorder but the kid disagrees? What if the doctor says a kid has gender identity disorder but the kid disagrees? I'm sure there aren't any particular scenarios that could cross your mind that might cause issue because: transgender people.

too young to decide that [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Didn't read the OP/Why Reply?" - Megafan))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42574712]What if a kid says he has gender identity disorder but the parents disagree? What if the parents say a kid has gender identity disorder but the kid disagrees? What if the doctor says a kid has gender identity disorder but the kid disagrees? I'm sure there aren't any particular scenarios that could cross your mind that might cause issue because: transgender people.[/QUOTE] stop being such a prick for the sake of it if the parents say their child has a gender disorder and the child doesn't, i doubt anything will happen. if the doctor says they do and the child doesn't, then you've got a bad doctor on your hands

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42574712]What if a kid says he has gender identity disorder but the parents disagree? What if the parents say a kid has gender identity disorder but the kid disagrees? What if the doctor says a kid has gender identity disorder but the kid disagrees? I'm sure there aren't any particular scenarios that could cross your mind that might cause issue because: transgender people.[/QUOTE] 1. You take the kids opinion seriously. 2. You take the kids opinion seriously. 3. You take the kids opinion seriously. Are you seeing the pattern yet.

i know it might be hard to conceptualize, but children have a train of thought before puberty! i know, it seems weird. just last year i found out that they're actually self conscious at that age, it's mad!

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42574712]What if a kid says he has gender identity disorder but the parents disagree? What if the parents say a kid has gender identity disorder but the kid disagrees? What if the doctor says a kid has gender identity disorder but the kid disagrees? I'm sure there aren't any particular scenarios that could cross your mind that might cause issue because: transgender people.[/QUOTE] Kid should have the first say in every instance. In this case it isn't even relevant to bring this up though, because everyone are in agreement.

[QUOTE=bravehat;42574731]1. You take the kids opinion seriously. 2. You take the kids opinion seriously. 3. You take the kids opinion seriously. Are you seeing the pattern yet.[/QUOTE] Yet you still call them a kid.

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42574692]Great comprehension skills; are you seriously saying that there is no possibility that in the near future there will not be medical advancements that dwarf these surgical procedures and medications.[/quote] Yes, I am. And if there are I'm sure that'll be a choice the person want to make. To transition or try to force themselves to be happy in their birth sex. Taking hormones is just taking natural synthetic hormones. That's it. It's not some weird combination of random shit to make an effect. You take E, you grow breasts, get softer skin, etc etc. At the same time, the psychological effects correct hormonal imbalances and you feel a lot better about yourself. Which would you rather take? A natural hormone that causes all these effects [i]naturally?[/i] Or some mind altering drug that forces you to forget or whatever. [quote]Its a great idea that the first course of action besides therapy are drugs that permanently change your body! No shortcomings with that thinking![/quote] They do not permanently change your body. At least not for MtF. Every effect of HRT for a trans female can be reversed apart from sterility. There's more irreversible changes for FtM, but some can be altered with surgery and hair removal. But, you know, continue this passive-aggressive bullshit or whatever. Really makes you look mature. [quote]So your answer to 100 years ago is seriously something along the lines of "some shit"?[/quote] Yeah? Because who the hell knows? Transgenderism wasn't even known about 100 years ago so there's no documentation or anything. [quote]So it isn't at all conceivable to you that someone might think the wrong way until they are of legal age? What about the cases (however few you like to claim they are) where people regret their decision?[/quote] Not at all, but it's still very small compared to those who stick with the decision. You can say I'm making a false claim all you like but it's true. [quote]Wasn't there some person recently who was extremely unhappy with their surgery and killed themselves because of it?[/quote] I haven't heard of that but just because 1 person killed themselves doesn't mean everyone else does. [quote]No I'm not. My DNA says I have a higher predisposition to Alzheimer's by a fairly significant factor. [b]What if some kids DNA said he had a predisposition to gender identity[/b] disorder and doctors gave him medication from birth! Its a great idea! He'd have no issues 'passing' for sure![/QUOTE] What the actual fuck. LOL Wow you just proved to everyone that you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Holy shit that was too funny I'm still laughing.

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42574757]Yet you still call them a kid.[/QUOTE] Nice retort. Why is what they are called important?

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;42574697]You cant get any sexual pleasure out of it can you?[/QUOTE] Yes you can. [editline]asdlasd[/editline] Mah merge

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42574757]Yet you still call them a kid.[/QUOTE] because they're legally children, and what?