Girl, 8, wants to be 1st patient at SickKids transgender clinic - Polidicks

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42575372]Thanks Doogie Howser, M.D. ! I got that surgery when I was above the age of 18 and it still didn't fix my problem! Good thing doctors are correct all the time! Sure glad no one I know has ever died from medical issues before![/QUOTE] We got it dude, you can write basic sarcasm and Doctors are not always right. Are you going to move onto something else or beat the same dead horse for the 5 next posts or so?

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42575372] Good thing doctors are correct all the time! Sure glad no one I know has ever died from medical issues before![/QUOTE] I don't even know what you're trying to argue. So doctors aren't always right?

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;42575364]I... wouldn't know? He probably would have committed suicide if he was really set on getting SRS but couldn't. And if the surgery had been a success he most likely wouldn't have killed himself. GID affects mental health, not physical health. The only changes in physical health are caused by taking hormones. I'm more likely to get breast cancer now that I'm on hormones but that's only because I actually have the breasts to get breast cancer. I'm basically at more of a risk of getting diseases women are prone to getting because I am becoming a woman. Hold your horses there pal. I was responding to this statement.[/QUOTE] To clarify: I don't think that transgender people should be discriminated against; I just don't think someone far below the age of puberty should be making decisions that could affect their life in such a huge way. Just because genetics might hold the answer (IMHO) it shouldn't be something discriminated against. Its just more information one way or another. People can call me bigoted for thinking an 8 year old is an 8 year old, but I won't be changing my opinion about what an 8 year old is anytime soon. [editline]20th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;42575377]You do realize whatever this childish shit you're doing doesn't help you get your point across, right?[/QUOTE] I was communicating directly with codemaster85 in that instance because he seemed to imply that doctors were completely infallible and correct 100% of the time. Likewise, his usage of profane language towards me doesn't get his point across any better.

[QUOTE=davidrb18;42575386]We got it dude, you can write basic sarcasm and Doctors are not always right. Are you going to move onto something else or beat the same dead horse for the 5 next posts or so?[/QUOTE] Fucking sarcasm! Thank you. God I've been trying to get that word out all this time and I couldn't. [editline]19th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=nigerianprince;42575405]I was communicating directly with codemaster85 in that instance because he seemed to imply that doctors were completely infallible and correct 100% of the time.[/QUOTE] And that means it's ok to act like a sarcastic twat? Are you sure you're not 8? Be the bigger person.

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;42575417]Fucking sarcasm! Thank you. God I've been trying to get that word out all this time and I couldn't. [editline]19th October 2013[/editline] And that means it's ok to act like a sarcastic twat? Are you sure you're not 8? Be the bigger person.[/QUOTE] Why? I can still make my point with ease. After all, he is the one who has to stoop to usage of profane language and insults--all the while having the audacity to title me a 'bigot'.

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42575440]Why? I can still make my point with ease. After all, he is the one who has to stoop to usage of profane language and insults--all the while having the audacity to title me a 'bigot'.[/QUOTE] this is the guy who spent over a year hounding maxofs2d and paying over 30 dollars in titles for him and making at least 4 youtube videos dedicated to him, by the way. this has nothing to do with the conversation i just felt like contextualising things with how freaky this guy is

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42575440]Why? I can still make my point with ease. After all, he is the one who has to stoop to usage of profane language and insults--all the while having the audacity to title me a 'bigot'.[/QUOTE] because you are a bigot? you refuse to learn about the subject and when people point out youre wrong, you go into strawman mode and nit pick people over small things. and using profane language != argument validity.

[QUOTE=CheeseMan;42575552]this is the guy who spent over a year hounding maxofs2d and paying over 30 dollars in titles for him and making at least 4 youtube videos dedicated to him, by the way. this has nothing to do with the conversation i just felt like contextualising things with how freaky this guy is[/QUOTE] This kinda reinforces my point. Why the fuck isn't he permabanned yet? He's a creep who comes into threads line this just to sit them up with circular logic and shitposts.

[QUOTE=codemaster85;42575571]because you are a bigot? you refuse to learn about the subject and when people point out youre wrong, you go into strawman mode and nit pick people over small things.[/QUOTE] I think the word bigot is interesting. [QUOTE]a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance[/QUOTE] I have been able to discuss with other members of this forum my opinions and I have also taken into account their opinions whilst discussing these matters; as I seem to recall it on top of using offensive language towards me you said the following: [QUOTE]its more like youre not allowed to spew false bullshit and be a bigot. [B]if you dont like it go to another forum.[/B][/QUOTE] To me that sounds pretty hate-filled and intolerant. I also like to remind you that my point (which was that 8 year olds shouldn't be able to consent to life changing medical decisions) has already been made. When you have all spent the past 6 pages trying to tell me how an 8 year old is an adult yet someone still has the audacity to write this: "[B][U]Are you sure you're not 8?[/U][/B] Be the bigger person." That is when your point gets made for you. I thought you were all against bigotry, but it sounds like there is a lot of progress in the world to be made towards accommodating the well informed decisions of 8 year olds everywhere.

If even transgender people agree that transgender is a disorder, then they should try to take some form of medication that actually cures the disorder, not amplifies it. Aka, this girl should take girl hormones instead of guy hormones. There ya go. [editline]19th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=nigerianprince;42575405]To clarify: I don't think that transgender people should be discriminated against; I just don't think someone far below the age of puberty should be making decisions that could affect their life in such a huge way. Just because genetics might hold the answer (IMHO) it shouldn't be something discriminated against. Its just more information one way or another. People can call me bigoted for thinking an 8 year old is an 8 year old, but I won't be changing my opinion about what an 8 year old is anytime soon. [editline]20th October 2013[/editline] I was communicating directly with codemaster85 in that instance because he seemed to imply that doctors were completely infallible and correct 100% of the time. Likewise, his usage of profane language towards me doesn't get his point across any better.[/QUOTE] I think most people outside of Facepunch would agree with your statements here. An 8 year old shouldn't be making life changing decisions that early, hence why they have parents. They aren't legally getting tattoos either because that's with them for life, they aren't responsible enough to even know what they want yet. I'm pretty sure the decision making part in their brain is barely developed, and nobody can argue that.

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42575625]I think the word bigot is interesting. I have been able to discuss with other members of this forum my opinions and I have also taken into account their opinions whilst discussing these matters; as I seem to recall it on top of using offensive language towards me you said the following: To me that sounds pretty hate-filled and intolerant. I also like to remind you that my point (which was that 8 year olds shouldn't be able to consent to life changing medical decisions) has already been made. When you have all spent the past 6 pages trying to tell me how an 8 year old is an adult yet someone still has the audacity to write this: "[B][U]Are you sure you're not 8?[/U][/B] Be the bigger person." That is when your point gets made for you. I thought you were all against bigotry, but it sounds like there is a lot of progress in the world to be made towards accommodating the well informed decisions of 8 year olds everywhere.[/QUOTE] okay: [QUOTE]I also like to remind you that my point (which was that 8 year olds shouldn't be able to consent to life changing medical decisions) has already been made.[/QUOTE] this was proven false since it just buys time and is easily reversible [QUOTE]I think the word bigot is interesting.[/QUOTE] you are exactly what the definition says because you are ignoring all input to be educated because you just want to go in circles and shitpost the same stuff that has been proven false every damn time. and your [I]opinions [/I]are wrong and have been proved wrong. [QUOTE]To me that sounds pretty hate-filled and intolerant.[/QUOTE] because we dont really care for bigots? here is the forum you should go on if you want to be ignorant: [URL]http://www.stormfront.org/forum/[/URL] [QUOTE]I thought you were all against bigotry, but it sounds like there is a lot of progress in the world to be made towards accommodating the well informed decisions of 8 year olds everywhere.[/QUOTE] and look again and again and again you didnt listen to anything anyone has said, we already pointed out that it takes months of therapy and observations to even get hormone blockers let alone actual hormonal replacement. [editline]19th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=alexguydude;42575656][B]If even transgender people agree that transgender is a disorder, then they should try to take some form of medication that actually cures the disorder, not amplifies it.[/B] Aka, this girl should take girl hormones instead of guy hormones. There ya go. [editline]19th October 2013[/editline] I think most people outside of Facepunch would agree with your statements here. An 8 year old shouldn't be making life changing decisions that early, hence why they have parents. They aren't legally getting tattoos either because that's with them for life, they aren't responsible enough to even know what they want yet. I'm pretty sure the decision making part in their brain is barely developed, and nobody can argue that.[/QUOTE] look at that miracle drug that somehow rewires your whole entire brain. transgenderism isnt a loss of hormones that makes you feel like the opposite gender, its just a brain thing. if you give them their sex's hormones, it will make them feel worse.

[QUOTE=codemaster85;42575688] look at that miracle drug that somehow rewires your whole entire brain. transgenderism isnt a loss of hormones that makes you feel like the opposite gender, its just a brain thing. if you give them their sex's hormones, it will make them feel worse.[/QUOTE] I highly doubt enough is known about transgenderism that it's just a "brain thing". I bet it could be cured at some point in the future and the person would be perfectly happy.

[QUOTE=codemaster85;42575688]this was proven false since it just buys time and is easily reversible[/QUOTE] How exactly does that prove what I'm saying false? What you're saying still requires someone the age of 8 to take serious medication. [QUOTE]you are exactly what the definition says because you are ignoring all input to be educated because you just want to go in circles and shitpost the same stuff that has been proven false every damn time. and your [I]opinions [/I]are wrong and have been proved wrong. [/QUOTE] You're forgetting that I'm an 8 year old codemaster85. [QUOTE]because we dont really care for bigots? here is the forum you should go on if you want to be ignorant: [URL]http://www.stormfront.org/forum/[/URL][/QUOTE] So in almost the same breath as your accusations of me being a 'shitposter' you link to the stormfront forum? You're also calling me a bigot yet asking me to leave. Imagine what would happen if 8 year olds were asked to leave codemaster85; I don't think that would be very conducive to eradicating bigotry. [QUOTE]and look again and again and again you didnt listen to anything anyone has said, we already pointed out that it takes months of therapy and observations to even get hormone blockers let alone actual hormonal replacement.[/QUOTE] And that somehow discounts the possibility of an 8 year old being assigned these drugs? I thought these kids should have these treatments before the onset of puberty; if some girl has her period at the age of 8 shouldn't she be given these medications before that?

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42575772]You're forgetting that I'm an 8 year old codemaster85.[/QUOTE] Stop using a stab at your immaturity as support for your argument. An 8 year old is still a child, but they are very much capable of understanding gender identity and crippling depression when it affects them.

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42575772]You're also calling me a bigot yet asking me to leave. [/QUOTE] "you're calling me out on my bullshit! that's just as bad as me bullshitting!! you hypocrite!!!" christ you are really bringing nothing constructive to the discussion in this thread you know

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42575772]How exactly does that prove what I'm saying false? What you're saying still requires someone the age of 8 to take serious medication. You're forgetting that I'm an 8 year old codemaster85. So in almost the same breath as your accusations of me being a 'shitposter' you link to the stormfront forum? You're also calling me a bigot yet asking me to leave. Imagine what would happen if 8 year olds were asked to leave codemaster85; I don't think that would be very conducive to eradicating bigotry. And that somehow discounts the possibility of an 8 year old being assigned these drugs? I thought these kids should have these treatments before the onset of puberty; if some girl has her period at the age of 8 shouldn't she be given these medications before that?[/QUOTE] the name 'nigerian prince' fits are you a troll like those nigerian princes in the chain e-mails, or are you just willfully ignorant like an actual nigerian prince

[QUOTE=alexguydude;42575749]I highly doubt enough is known about transgenderism that it's just a "brain thing". I bet it could be cured at some point in the future and the person would be perfectly happy.[/QUOTE] except nigerian already posted an reasearch article that showed giving them the incorrect hormones made them even worse feeling. it could be cured, but atm the best solution is to allow them to transition smoothly and with plenty of support and therapy.

Tbh I wouldn't even want to be "cured" if the option existed.

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;42575791]Stop using a stab at your immaturity as support for your argument. An 8 year old is still a child, but they are very much capable of understanding gender identity and crippling depression when it affects them.[/QUOTE] But you just called 8 year olds immature. That is pretty bigoted to be honest with you.

The Facepunch transexualars are so easy to get going. People in this thread are just trying to get a reaction from you guys, you gotta learn to ignore them :v: Both sides are as bad as each other. [QUOTE=Smasher 006;42569592]Incoming shitstorm brace for impact page 20 here we come.[/QUOTE] This guy hit the nail on the head, it's way too easy to predict a shitstorm now.

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42575836]But you just called 8 year olds immature. That is pretty bigoted to be honest with you.[/QUOTE] we know you aren't eight years old and the immaturity of a child doesn't inhibit their awareness of their gender identity but thanks for playing sport

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42575836]But you just called 8 year olds immature. That is pretty bigoted to be honest with you.[/QUOTE] At least they have a legitimate reason to be immature. You don't.

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42575772]How exactly does that prove what I'm saying false? What you're saying still requires someone the age of 8 to take serious medication. [B]because its not nearly as serious since its reversible, again not reading.[/B] You're forgetting that I'm an 8 year old codemaster85. [B]oh man look at you being immature as usual.[/B] So in almost the same breath as your accusations of me being a 'shitposter' you link to the stormfront forum? You're also calling me a bigot yet asking me to leave. [B]im saying that place allows you to shitpost and be a biggot, so go there instead of complaining about not being about to be a bigot, and how does me asking you to leave make me a bigot?[/B] Imagine what would happen if 8 year olds were asked to leave codemaster85; I don't think that would be very conducive to eradicating bigotry. [B]you shouldnt be on here if youre 8 years old anyway[/B] And that somehow discounts the possibility of an 8 year old being assigned these drugs? I thought these kids should have these treatments before the onset of puberty; if some girl has her period at the age of 8 shouldn't she be given these medications before that? [B]the medication, as said earlier (because you cant read apparently), just makes them neutral. thats literally it, it doesnt make you infertile, it doesnt make your dick fall off, and it doesnt permanently scar you[/B][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Roll_Program;42575845]The Facepunch transexualars are so easy to get going. People in this thread are just trying to get a reaction from you guys, you gotta learn to ignore them :v: Both sides are as bad as each other. [/QUOTE] How is trying to educate people as bad as people willfully being bigots? Although yes, it would help everyone in this thread arguing with Nigerian prince to just block him.

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;42575857]At least they have a legitimate reason to be immature. You don't.[/QUOTE] I don't understand, are you arguing 8 year olds are mature or they aren't?

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42575956]I don't understand, are you arguing 8 year olds are mature or they aren't?[/QUOTE] actually more mature than you, at least most 8 year olds will learn from their mistakes, unlike you.

[QUOTE=codemaster85;42575980]actually more mature than you, at least most 8 year olds will learn from their mistakes, unlike you.[/QUOTE] I hope you're not talking about the subject of this thread, if you are that is extremely bigoted of you.

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42576010]I hope you're not talking about the subject of this thread, if you are that is extremely bigoted of you.[/QUOTE] Your trolling really sucks. If I were a teacher I'd give you an F- in effort. Learn to troll and try again some other time.

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;42576017]Your trolling really sucks. If I were a teacher I'd give you an F- in effort. Learn to troll and try again some other time.[/QUOTE] I don't understand how I would exactly be trolling in this thread. Just because you cannot refute what I've said (which is that 8 year olds shouldn't able to consent to huge medical decisions) other than to call me an 8 year old. Maybe if you worked a little on what you were actually trying to say a little better you wouldn't shoot your own foot in the argument (namely using "8 year old" as an insult in the same thread you're defending an "8 year old")

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42576048]I don't understand how I would exactly be trolling in this thread. Just because you cannot refute what I've said (which is that 8 year olds shouldn't able to consent to huge medical decisions) other than to call me an 8 year old. Maybe if you worked a little on what you were actually trying to say a little better you wouldn't shoot your own foot in the argument (namely using "8 year old" as an insult in the same thread you're defending an "8 year old")[/QUOTE]You've been refuted at every step of the process. You have no case, you have no support. You're dead in the water. So you're either trolling/shitposting or very, very dull.