Girl, 8, wants to be 1st patient at SickKids transgender clinic - Polidicks

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42576048]I don't understand how I would exactly be trolling in this thread. Just because you cannot refute what I've said (which is that 8 year olds shouldn't able to consent to huge medical decisions) other than to call me an 8 year old. Maybe if you worked a little on what you were actually trying to say a little better you wouldn't shoot your own foot in the argument (namely using "8 year old" as an insult in the same thread you're defending an "8 year old")[/QUOTE] younger transgender people (i.e. before the onset of puberty) do [i]NOT GET HORMONE TREATMENT OR SURGERY[/i] your point is therefore moot as fuck

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;42576061]You've been refuted at every step of the process. You have no case, you have no support. You're dead in the water. So you're either trolling/shitposting or very, very dull.[/QUOTE] Really? What about [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1316592&p=42575656&viewfull=1#post42575656"]this post[/URL] that was essentially agreeing with my opinion. Just because you don't agree with my opinion it doesn't automatically make it incorrect.

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42576080]Really? What about [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1316592&p=42575656&viewfull=1#post42575656"]this post[/URL] that was essentially agreeing with my opinion. Just because you don't agree with my opinion it doesn't automatically make it incorrect.[/QUOTE]ITS NOT A FUCKING MATTER OF OPINION. YOU DON'T GET AN OPINION ON THE ISSUE. Also, Alex is a well known transphobe and you really don't want him agreeing with you, and saying that him agreeing with you is support is very unhelpful for you.

I love how since you guys don't have anything to argue back at him you just ignore, block and insist that he is trolling, isn't that what bigotry is all about? ignorance

Apparently getting other bigots to support you makes you right?

[QUOTE=Jagur;42576104]I love how since you guys don't have anything to argue back at him you just ignore, block and insist that he is trolling, isn't that what bigotry is all about? ignorance[/QUOTE]He's been refuted at every step. He's the one who has nothing to use other than his own ignorance and bigotry. There is no expectation to respect a bigot and they do not deserve it.

[QUOTE=Jagur;42576104]I love how since you guys don't have anything to argue back at him you just ignore, block and insist that he is trolling, isn't that what bigotry is all about? ignorance[/QUOTE] jagur, what you just said is honestly a very weak argument and one that he's been using close to since he started posting in this thread he is being willfully ignorant - he has refused any offers of education on the matter of transgenderism and still asks for proof against his flimsy arguments also, telling a bigot to fuck off isn't being bigoted yourself, just so you know

[QUOTE=The golden;42576118]Ace.[/QUOTE]Ohh, good, so Jagur's also a bigot. That's another one to keep note of.

[QUOTE=Arctic-Zone;42576127]jagur, what you just said is honestly a very weak argument and one that he's been using close to since he started posting in this thread he is being willfully ignorant - he has refused any offers of education on the matter of transgenderism and still asks for proof against his flimsy arguments also, telling a bigot to fuck off isn't being bigoted yourself, just so you know[/QUOTE] Jagur is just a troll. He spends most of his days in trolling APB: Reloaded. Ignore him.

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;42576149]Jagur is just a troll. He spends most of his days in trolling APB: Reloaded. Ignore him.[/QUOTE] Really? pretty sure i haven't posted there in a while.

[QUOTE=Jagur;42576159]Really? pretty sure i haven't posted there in a while.[/QUOTE] I said the game. Not the thread.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;42576097]ITS NOT A FUCKING MATTER OF OPINION. YOU DON'T GET AN OPINION ON THE ISSUE. Also, Alex is a well known transphobe and you really don't want him agreeing with you, and saying that him agreeing with you is support is very unhelpful for you.[/QUOTE] So what you're saying that anyone who doesn't hold your opinion essentially has no rights whatsoever? I really like being told "YOU DON'T GET AN OPINION ON THE ISSUE." by someone that is seemingly arguing for equal rights. Makes your argument a lot stronger. [QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;42576120]He's been refuted at every step. He's the one who has nothing to use other than his own ignorance and bigotry. There is no expectation to respect a bigot and they do not deserve it.[/QUOTE] Again I've said multiple times that I am all for mature adults going forward with procedures/medication for these sorts of things--all I've had issue with is an 8 year old making that sort of decision. I like in these threads no matter how flatly I repeatedly point out something like that, its always glossed over. I don't quite understand how believing an 8 year old isn't mature enough to make these decisions makes me a bigot. Again, I said it before and I'll say it again. [B]Because: transgender.[/B] Would you all be arguing if this 8 year old kid was asking for the right to: -get his face tattooed? -do lines of cocaine? -sell his kidney to pay for a new xbox -[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOfUBbX1dO4"]asking for the right to paralyze himself despite being completely able bodied?[/URL] Again, just because this kid is transgender, in your eyes that makes him completely impervious to any form of criticism and you are putting them above anyone else.

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42576229]So what you're saying that anyone who doesn't hold your opinion essentially has no rights whatsoever? I really like being told "YOU DON'T GET AN OPINION ON THE ISSUE." by someone that is seemingly arguing for equal rights. Makes your argument a lot stronger. Again I've said multiple times that I am all for mature adults going forward with procedures/medication for these sorts of things--all I've had issue with is an 8 year old making that sort of decision. I like in these threads no matter how flatly I repeatedly point out something like that, its always glossed over. I don't quite understand how believing an 8 year old isn't mature enough to make these decisions makes me a bigot. Again, I said it before and I'll say it again. [B]Because: transgender.[/B] Would you all be arguing if this 8 year old kid was asking for the right to: -get his face tattooed? -do lines of cocaine? -sell his kidney to pay for a new xbox -[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOfUBbX1dO4"]asking for the right to paralyze himself despite being completely able bodied?[/URL] Again, just because this kid is transgender, in your eyes that makes him completely impervious to any form of criticism and you are putting them above anyone else.[/QUOTE] Are you seriously comparing transgenderism to getting tattoos, doing cocaine, selling organs, and Body Integrity Disorder? Please just shut up. [editline]asdll[/editline] You've done nothing but troll and act like an idiot for the past few hours. Are you happy that you're doing literally nothing with your life?

[QUOTE=Roll_Program;42575845] People in this thread are just trying to get a reaction from you guys, you gotta learn to ignore them :v:[/QUOTE] People are trying to get reactions out of the trans. Everybodies trying to get reactions out of eachother.

[QUOTE=The golden;42576256]Transgender is not something you choose, exactly. All those things you listed are choices which could easily be made out of ignorance. Being transgender isn't a choice per-say. You can choose to act on it but you'll always feel it inside you.[/QUOTE] Actually the last one I listed is a rare mental disorder. I'm pretty sure that's not something you choose either.

[QUOTE=The golden;42576284]Forgive me, I didn't click on the link. The rest still stands though.[/QUOTE] If someone at the age of 8 asked to be put on some form of drugs that would enable them to paralyze themselves temporarily (because of that disorder) and it was non-permanent (as far as doctors know) but had some side effects (in rare cases cancer, type 2 diabetes etc), would you support it?

i was going to go down to the railroad tracks to try to see a trainwreck but i think this thread will suffice.

[QUOTE=The golden;42576332]Regardless of how I answer that question, how does that relate at all[/QUOTE] Because its essentially what this case is about, an 8 year old kid that may potentially be given serious medications that may cause lasting effects on their life (people in this thread continue to spout how important it is that an 8 year old take these drugs so they can 'pass') Do you think that the child's future well-being should take precedent over these drugs?

[QUOTE=The golden;42576376]You clearly haven't heard of transgender people living in constant depression and sefl-hate because they are not happy living in their current condition.[/QUOTE] What about the poor woman from the video who cannot live life normally without the wheelchair? She tried to paralyze herself at age 9. That sounds just as serious to me.

..Jesus christ. All medications have side effects. When it comes to drug testing, any sort of negative thing that happens to the drug trial people are listed as side effects. So, if someone's on the medication and gets hives because they ate something they didn't know they were allergic to? Hives is listed as a potential side effect. [url]http://www.drugs.com/sfx/[/url] ^ Have some fun and look up the serious side effects to common medications. As an example, tylenol can cause bloody piss. Ain't that fun?

A serious mental illness that actually causes harm to the individual. GID doesn't.

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;42576541]A serious mental illness that actually causes harm to the individual. GID doesn't.[/QUOTE] Doesn't GID have like a 75% suicide rate (or at least thats what someone wrote on this thread)?

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42576594]Doesn't GID have like a 75% suicide rate (or at least thats what someone wrote on this thread)?[/QUOTE] Suicide rate among transgender individuals is at around 40%. And that's primarily those who are harassed, raped, disowned, those who can't transition, etc.

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42576594]Doesn't GID have like a 75% suicide rate (or at least thats what someone wrote on this thread)?[/QUOTE] That's a suicide rate caused by secondary factors of the disorder (severe depression, harassment, etc.), not the disorder itself which we can deal with currently by adjusting the body. That severe mental illness directly lead to the person wanting to be paralysed. Quite a bit of a difference there.

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;42576598]Suicide rate among transgender individuals is at around 40%. And that's primarily those who are harassed, raped, disowned, those who can't transition, etc.[/QUOTE] yeah, nigerianprince, the cause of suicide in people with GID isn't the GID itself, it's the harassment and intolerance of other people around them that drive them to become depressed and suicidal

[QUOTE=hexpunK;42576602]That's a suicide rate caused by secondary factors of the disorder (severe depression, harassment, etc.), not the disorder itself which we can deal with currently by adjusting the body. That severe mental illness directly lead to the person wanting to be paralysed. Quite a bit of a difference there.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't that be a stronger argument for allowing her to paralyze herself then? After all as much as you can change your body, you can't change most other people.

[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;42576979]Yeah, partly because of people like you who will go completely apeshit if someone with GID is given what they need to make a proper transition.[/QUOTE] Ok fantastic, so answer my question then: If some kid of the same age (8) wants to become temporarily paralyzed (because he/she hopes to get permanently paralyzed later on in life) and has to take medicine which although temporary still has serious side effects would you support that? Keep in mind the disorder this kid has makes him/her jump off of buildings trying to get paralyzed.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;42569585]Is this really newsworthy ?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;42569609]Just what I was thinking. I don't really think this deserves a thread anyway, that is [I]literally all there is to the article.[/I][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Stents*;42569685]Something like this gets posted once a week. It's not news.[/QUOTE] I love how LGBT and really only LGBT threads get these passive-aggressive "Is this [B]really [/B]newsworthy?" non-replies. In Facepunch Sensationalist Headlines section of all places. I guess one of the largest pediatric hospitals in the world getting a transgender clinic is small potatoes compared to riveting journalism like [URL="http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1281800"]Baseless Halo Conjecture[/URL], [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1316279"]My Video Game is Better Than Your Video Game[/URL], and [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1316547"]Gamestop Ad Leaked[/URL]

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;42574418] There was a case study a while back in where a little boy named David lost his dick to a circumcision incident. A dickhead doctor convinced the parents to convert his dick into a vagina and give him female hormones to raise him as a girl. He secretly intended to study transgenderism, but that's another story. They changed the kid's name to Brenda and raised him as a girl. Throughout her life Brenda exhibited growing behaviors that of a male, despite having her body replaced with E and T-Blockers. She was unhappy and felt wrong as a female. It wasn't until she was 14 years of age that they told her. Brenda immediately went back to identifying as male and going by David. David killed himself at about age 35. The experiment was downright cruel and inhumane, but it does help point evidence that gender identity can not be socially constructed. It highly supports that we all develop an identity at an early age. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer[/url][/QUOTE] this is late, but there is a huge contradiction in this argument. first, you immediately state that the kid was born male with male parts, not trans. then he was given medication to suppress the male hormones and gave him female hormones, since he was male. later in his life [I]despite hormone medication he still identified as the gender he was born as[/I]. since you're arguing for the hormone treatment, I think this isn't a good argument to use since it states that the hormone treatment did not affect his gender at all.

[QUOTE=lxmach1;42577027]this is late, but there is a huge contradiction in this argument. first, you immediately state that the kid was born male with male parts, not trans. then he was given medication to suppress the male hormones and gave him female hormones, since he was male. later in his life [I]despite hormone medication he still identified as the gender he was born as[/I]. since you're arguing for the hormone treatment, I think this isn't a good argument to use since it states that the hormone treatment did not affect his gender at all.[/QUOTE] How not? He's not trans, they forced him to transition, and he didn't feel right as a female. The whole argument is not for arguing hormone treatment. It's to argue that you can't force someone to be transgender and you can't force them to not be transgender. You are born with an identity, either cisgender or transgender.