Unarmed Man Is Charged With Wounding Bystanders Shot by Police Near Times Square - Polidicks

[QUOTE=spiritlol;43091905]Frankly I find Yawmwen's lack of critical thinking skills to be quite humorous.[/QUOTE] he doesn't think like me quick better say he can't think critically

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43091935]he doesn't think like me quick better say he can't think critically[/QUOTE] You don't lack critical thinking skills, but you obviously don't know jack shit about the American police force and how it operates.

[QUOTE=spiritlol;43091905]Frankly I find Yawmwen's lack of critical thinking skills to be quite humorous.[/QUOTE] He has a point that U.S cops are unnecessarily trigger-happy though. Yeah, it's not fair to say that every cop is a racist, paranoid power-abusing shitbag but you can't chalk this up to an "isolated incident", there's a really huge cultural problem in the police forces of major American cities when incidents like this keep popping up on a regular basis and on top of that the police officers who abuse their power won't get even fired for fuckups that lead to innocent people killed as a direct consequence of their actions. [editline]herp[/editline] Yes, I realize that I'm not a U.S citizen so my observations are unfortunately limited in this subject but having followed these kind of topics on SA / FP it's fair to say that there [I]is[/I] a problem. Unless of course you don't think that police officers being allowed to execute citizens on a regular basis and being let off scott free after the fact constitutes a problem that is.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43091945]You don't lack critical thinking skills, but you obviously don't know jack shit about the American police force and how it operates.[/QUOTE] to be fair the most personal experience i'v had with police is being at the "baton-end".

[QUOTE=Sableye;43091898]i think police are too paranoid these days that everyone is armed, its like every single time these shootouts happen, they go "oh well his hand was near his pants, so i shot him because i thought he was super armed"[/QUOTE] To be fair in a country where guns are legal it makes sense to shoot criminals if they ignore the police's commands and especially if they started reaching in their pockets and jackets for stuff

[QUOTE=Muukkis;43091948]He has a point that U.S cops are unnecessarily trigger-happy though. Yeah, it's not fair to say that every cop is a racist, paranoid shitbag but you can't chalk this up to an "isolated incident", there's a really huge cultural problem in the police forces of major American cities when incidents like this keep popping up on a regular basis and on top of that the police officers who abuse their power won't get even fired for fuckups that lead to innocent people killed as a direct consequence of their actions. [editline]herp[/editline] Yes, I realize that I'm not a U.S citizen so my observations are unfortunately limited in this subject but having followed these kind of topics on SA / FP it's fair to say that there [I]is[/I] a problem. Unless of course you don't think that police officers being allowed to execute citizens on a regular basis and being let off scott free after the fact constitutes a problem that is.[/QUOTE] This stuff [i]really[/i] doesn't happen very often. Our country has over sixty times the population of your country, and much higher incidence of guns being used against police officers, so obviously you're going to see 'US policemen overreact and shoot unarmed man' far more often than 'Finnish policemen overreact and shoot unarmed man'. The US has approximately 800,000 police officers. With only a handful of cases like this a year, that's not a whole lot of accidental shootings. [QUOTE=yawmwen;43091961]to be fair the most personal experience i'v had with police is being at the "baton-end".[/QUOTE] I'm not going to make assumptions about your experience but it's worth asking if your overtly abrasive attitude towards police may contribute to negative experiences with them. The vast majority of police are reasonable individuals but if you act belligerently you're going to receive a belligerent response.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43091961]to be fair the most personal experience i'v had with police is being at the "baton-end".[/QUOTE] I'd be willing to bet you did a few things to deserve it.

[QUOTE=catbarf;43092026]I'm not going to make assumptions about your experience but it's worth asking if your overtly abrasive attitude towards police may contribute to negative experiences with them. The vast majority of police are reasonable individuals but if you act belligerently you're going to receive a belligerent response.[/QUOTE] i'm not generally belligerent to armed men who can murder me.

[QUOTE=Muukkis;43091948]He has a point that U.S cops are unnecessarily trigger-happy though. Yeah, it's not fair to say that every cop is a racist, paranoid power-abusing shitbag but you can't chalk this up to an "isolated incident", there's a really huge cultural problem in the police forces of major American cities when incidents like this keep popping up on a regular basis and on top of that the police officers who abuse their power won't get even fired for fuckups that lead to innocent people killed as a direct consequence of their actions. [editline]herp[/editline] Yes, I realize that I'm not a U.S citizen so my observations are unfortunately limited in this subject but having followed these kind of topics on SA / FP it's fair to say that there [I]is[/I] a problem. Unless of course you don't think that police officers being allowed to execute citizens on a regular basis and being let off scott free after the fact constitutes a problem that is.[/QUOTE] Wounding and killing bystanders isn't an often occurrence in the US when you take a look at just how large our country is. I also like how you compared a criminal being killed by police to an execution, lol.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43092045]I also like how you compared a criminal being killed by police to an execution, lol.[/QUOTE] I'm more or less referring to bases like this : [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/25/jose-guerena-arizona-_n_867020.html[/url] Also even if they're "criminals" they're still human beings and there's something called "escalation of force" the police should adhere to when making arrests without first resorting to shooting them with a gun. But I accept your observation that yes, the United States is a country of 300 million with cities that have an abysmal crime rate so maybe it's like you said ; the bad cases stick out more than the countless cases where the police did the right thing.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43092042]i'm not generally belligerent to armed men who can murder me.[/QUOTE] Seriously, sometimes I think you ctrl+f for "police" or "cop" on this forum, open every thread and start talking about how mean and stupid cops are in every one. I get that you don't like police but you can at least use basic logic to find out why people think you're wrong, or, for example, how that post right there makes no sense at all. [editline]a[/editline] I just noticed that you made this thread so it might not count, but I've still seen you in literally every police-related thread made by you or not.

[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;43092120]Seriously, sometimes I think you ctrl+f for "police" or "cop" on this forum, open every thread and start talking about how mean and stupid cops are in every one. I get that you don't like police but you can at least use basic logic to find out why people think you're wrong, or, for example, how that post right there makes no sense at all.[/QUOTE] i made this thread

[QUOTE=Muukkis;43092114]I'm more or less referring to bases like this : [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/25/jose-guerena-arizona-_n_867020.html[/url] Also even if they're "criminals" they're still human beings and there's something called "escalation of force" the police should adhere to when making arrests without first resorting to shooting them with a gun. But I accept your observation that yes, the United States is a country of 300 million with cities that have an abysmal crime rate so maybe it's like you said ; the bad cases stick out more than the countless cases where the police did the right thing.[/QUOTE] The police shot a man that pointed a rifle at cops. They didn't taze him, and then shoot him in the back of the head or take him out back in the woods and make him dig his own grave. Yeah sucks they killed a guy who was innocent and the cops should have been more vocal that it was the cops kicking down his door, but shit happens. The way I see it, you respond to force with equal force. If someone is pointing a gun at you and threatening yours or other's lives, you have every right to take their life to defend yourself and/or others.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43092339]The police shot a man that pointed a rifle at cops. They didn't taze him, and then shoot him in the back of the head or take him out back in the woods and make him dig his own grave. Yeah sucks they killed a guy who was innocent and the cops should have been more vocal that it was the cops kicking down his door, but shit happens. The way I see it, you respond to force with equal force. If someone is pointing a gun at you and threatening yours or other's lives, you have every right to take their life to defend yourself and/or others.[/QUOTE] Yeah but in this scenario it was incredibly irresponsible and reckless to fire into a crowd of people just because he reached into his pocket.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43091217]they are trying to blame him for the actions of some trigger happy cops[/QUOTE] Or maybe the cops felt like they had to shoot, and therefore any actions they had to make were because of HIM?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43091745]the fact that they are allowed to murder minorities and mentally unstable people is a pretty big difference too.[/QUOTE] Is this for real? Honestly I wouldn't have expected this even from you. I agreed with you to an extent until you said this.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;43092431]Yeah but in this scenario it was incredibly irresponsible and reckless to fire into a crowd of people just because he reached into his pocket.[/QUOTE] well yeah no shit, because thats the NYPD. Thats all they're good at

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43092339]The police shot a man that pointed a rifle at cops[/QUOTE] They lied about him opening fire at the officers first to appease the public then months later admitted that he hadn't actually fired. [QUOTE=article;43092339]After ushering out his wife and son, the police refused to allow paramedics to access Guerena for more than hour, leaving the young father to bleed to death[/QUOTE] This part strikes to me as particularly heinous. They not only shot an innocent man but made sure he died by refusing him access to treatment. That should by all right constitute as a crime but I guess you're comfortable in the fact that your life means jack shit if you get caught in an act of brutality perpetrated by a police officer. But hey, shit happens right ? [editline]herp[/editline] [QUOTE=be;43092493]Or maybe the cops felt like they had to shoot, and therefore any actions they had to make were because of HIM?[/QUOTE] As per my understanding putting your hands into your pockets isn't a crime and judging by the article the person had not really committed any violence so are we to assume that the police can open fire at anyone they [I]suspect[/I] of having a gun at a crowd and then declare it was the other guy's fault instead of his own paranoia ?

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43092549]well yeah no shit, because thats the NYPD. Thats all they're good at[/QUOTE] Well that's just not an excuse. whatever you may think.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43091720]so i gotta buy myself a badge before i get the right to murder mentally unstable people then?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=yawmwen;43091671]if i see someone reaching into their pockets on the street does that mean i can legally shoot them?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=yawmwen;43091619]fuckin ppl pullin things out of their pocket i died 3 times last week when people tried to pull wallets out of their pocket and accidentally shot me instead[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=yawmwen;43091444]watch out he's got a wallet! shoot him[/QUOTE] "I am Yawmwen and I will never shut the fuck up about my own agendas and views regardless of relevancy to the current topic at hand. I [B]MUST[/B] let you know that I dislike the police, it is imperative for me to do so. I fucking hate the police, for no discernible reason. Grrr!" [QUOTE=yawmwen;43091745]the fact that they are allowed to murder minorities and mentally unstable people is a pretty big difference too.[/QUOTE] Now you're just full of shit.

[QUOTE=Mechanical43;43093399]Well that's just not an excuse. whatever you may think.[/QUOTE] Never said it was an excuse or justification, was just saying thats what you should expect out of a fantastic police force from a fantastic city.

i don't think police should just start shooting when there are so many people around unless it's actually crucial, i.e. the guy actually DOES have a gun and is going to use it. i'm not a huge fan of acting on what COULD happen especially when it results in random people getting shot

maybe the cops shouldn't be shooting guns into crowds of innocent people

[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;43091682][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8-ycSkoYfc[/media] Hi. My name is U.S.S.R and I'd like to show you why incidents like these are common and even excused because of procedure. Watching this might put you off of eating for the next few days or so, but go ahead.[/QUOTE] I hope that fucking "vietnam vet" died in a horrible way

[QUOTE=Whiterfire;43093898]I hope that fucking "vietnam vet" died in a horrible way[/QUOTE] IIRC he received a death sentence. And in all actuality you should feel bad for him if nothing else. Guy probably got drafted into a war that nobody wanted to fight when he was fresh out of highschool, watched his friends die in horrible ways and probably killed a few men himself, only to come back from the war with all kinds of invisible wounds, only for his government to abandon him and his countrymen to call him sick names. What he did there is probably ~20 years or so of stress and pressure on wounds he didn't know what to do with.

Cops are the real criminals