Saying "drugs are evil" doesn't change the fact that many of their dangers are created or amplified by prohibition and that many of those could be minimised or eliminated far more effectively with a framework of proper regulation and unbiased education.
40 years of prohibition say that blind faith and moralising when it comes to drugs and drug policy is a disastrously destructive cocktail.
At least the guy saying this is the Pope which should make people think twice before just accepting it because of the record of the Catholic church in blind moralising with no regard for the consequences (see - condoms, etc.)
Are people only agreeing with this because they think Pope Francis is a swell guy? I'm not saying he isn't, he's done a great deal for the Catholic church in bringing it forward... But legalisation of illegal substances has been proven to be beneficial for everyone.
[QUOTE=jonu67;45179098]Are people only agreeing with this because they think Pope Francis is a swell guy? I'm not saying he isn't, he's done a great deal for the Catholic church in bringing it forward... But legalisation of illegal substances has been proven to be beneficial for everyone.[/QUOTE]
Uhh... Who is agreeing with him (entirely) ?
I only see people disagreeing with him, agreeing partially, and/or proving that it doesn't make sense.
drugs are cool
Legalize pot, keep the other shit illegal.
Heroin and Crystal Meth [I]aren't exactly safe[/I]. Pot is, for the most part.
[QUOTE=Coment;45179128]Uhh... Who is agreeing with him (entirely) ?
I only see people disagreeing with him, agreeing partially, and/or proving that it doesn't make sense.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;45179213]Legalize pot, keep the other shit illegal.
Heroin and Crystal Meth [I]aren't exactly safe[/I]. Pot is, for the most part.[/QUOTE]
They'd still be far safer regulated than brushed under the carpet of prohibition.
[QUOTE=Pat4ever;45178159]So wine, the blood of Christ and a drug, should be illegal then? Faulty logic.[/QUOTE]
He said addiction's an issue. Sipping one fifth of a glass of wine once a week isn't exactly going to wreck your entire life.
ur rite we should keep sending youths to prison for possessing and circulating marijuan leaves
if u do the durg you will be put in the box for a long time
ur not allowed to put certain things that I deem bad into your own body sry
- the christ
It's weird how politicians say drugs are evil, but religious figures say the addiction is evil. It sounds like Francis would rather stop the legalization of weed instead of prevent addiction and deaths from already legal ones like tobacco.
[QUOTE=Tetsmega;45181725]It's weird how politicians say drugs are evil, but religious figures say the addiction is evil. It sounds like Francis would rather stop the legalization of weed instead of prevent addiction and deaths from already legal ones like tobacco.[/QUOTE]
Does it sound like that? I'm getting totally the opposite message.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45178907]Why? The people who want (and can afford) to do those drugs already do them; the state might as well make some cash off of it.[/QUOTE]
"why"?
The government would be green lighting use of drugs only medicinal professionals should have access to. Some people might know "what they do", but drugs of that kind should only be administered by a doctor. I'm not against legalizing cannabis (and I very much see the practical merit), but with drugs such as cocaine and heroine I'd much rather see a compromise - have a safe place for people to shoot up.
To be honest, there's no reason that rehabilitation and such can't be freely available when the drugs themselves are [I]illegal[/I].
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;45181576]They'd still be far safer regulated than brushed under the carpet of prohibition.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't work like that, when prohibition was abolished alcohol consumption and related deaths increased massively while crime decreased. The problem doesn't go away it just changes
Its like nuclear war imo, you can't win but you can take steps to lose less
I think stuff like heroin or cocaine should stay banned
[QUOTE=Saxon;45181813]It doesn't work like that, when prohibition was abolished alcohol consumption and related deaths increased massively while crime decreased. The problem doesn't go away it just changes
Its like nuclear war imo, you can't win but you can take steps to lose less[/QUOTE]
I didn't say it was a magic solution. Just that it would be a step closer to making things safer. Initially there could be a spike in usage as your claimed about the end of alcohol prohibition but that could be worked against with unbiased education on how to use safely etc. An increase in use is not a problem if harm is minimised and responsible use encouraged. A great deal of the problems with drugs are caused or made worse by the black market and the sooner that is out of the way or overtaken by a related market the sooner the drugs can truly be "controlled".
Stuff that doesn't do too much/not much harm at all should be legalised, taxed and regulated. Stuff that can do more harm like heroin should be decriminalised.
Decriminalisation means the black market would still be the provider with all of its nasty unregulated side effects...
I mean I think they should be more controlled than weed for example but still be available from a regulated source. Each substance needs it's own tailored regulatory model that works to minimise the potential harms and encourage responsible and safe use.
[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;45179213]Legalize pot, keep the other shit illegal.
Heroin and Crystal Meth [I]aren't exactly safe[/I]. Pot is, for the most part.[/QUOTE]
They aren't bad in very small amounts, the danger is overdosing, if they were legal, their should only be special facilities people can do it at so they don't pose a danger to themselves or others. Tobacco and alcohol are dangerous substances, and kill hundreds of thousands in America alone. They are perfectly legal for 18-21 year olds. Doesn't make sense to ban one dangerous thing and keep another dangerous thing legal.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;45178344]Why not legalize anyway? Send drug addicts to rehab instead of prison. Take it from Portugal, drug use has gone down, std spread through shared needles, ect, has gone down, deaths from heroin were almost cut in half, and more people got help after legalization. Too bad every country can't do this.[/QUOTE]
Portugal didnt legalize it, they decriminalized it. So its easier for addicts to get help as they arent treated as a criminal as soon as they walk through the door. Unfortunately this means drugs are still in the hands of gangs.
I have a friend who overdosed on a cannabis injection and now he's permanently a clay pot.
420 Pope it faggitus
But I thought he was the biggest opiate dealer of them all?
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;45178205]I don't know about you, but I can't afford the $60 a gram or however fucking much cocaine costs, and you'd be a fool to suggest that it wouldn't be cheaper if it was readily available.
[sp]Cue everyone from DD storming me and correcting that price.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Cost is separate from access. The point is that people who want to do coke are doing it, making it illegal has not stopped that. So all that has been accomplished is increasing profits to the drug dealers and cartels.
When you make something cost a prohibitive amount to an addict, you make a criminal out of that addict. That's why there's not a lot of theft and robbery associated with people trying to raise beer money, but there's a lot of that kind of crime associated with addicts who are hooked on illegal drugs.
If for no other reason, hard drugs should be legalized to reduce the chance of getting drugs that are impure, and cut with something more harmful than the drug itself. They should only be given out to those that are trying to recover, to slowly ween them off, because withdrawal is a real bitch, and can be just as deadly as the drugs themselves.
[QUOTE=mchapra;45181872]I think stuff like heroin or cocaine should stay banned[/QUOTE]
I'd rather they be legal and regulated, with attempts at educating people what is good and what is bad. I remember a shitstorm a few years ago because a police department in California(i think) placed flyers around telling people what to do if they use MDMA at a concert, such as drinking plenty of water to prevent dehydration. I'd rather people have regulated access to hard drugs that are tested for purity and safety, rather than people risking death because they don't know exactly what dosage they're taking.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;45184757]They aren't bad in very small amounts, the danger is overdosing, if they were legal, their should only be special facilities people can do it at so they don't pose a danger to themselves or others. Tobacco and alcohol are dangerous substances, and kill hundreds of thousands in America alone. They are perfectly legal for 18-21 year olds. Doesn't make sense to ban one dangerous thing and keep another dangerous thing legal.[/QUOTE]
Smoking crystal meth even in small amounts overtime is still going to give you brain damage.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;45178530]People get ODs because they are inexperienced users with no instruction, and the potency of drugs are not regulated. This happens even more so in a world where these drugs are manufactured and distributed by unlicensed and unregulated manufacturers/dealers (ie: prohibition)
If you had the drugs be manufactured under government regulation you'd be able to standardize scientifically-recommended dosages that don't kill you so easily and aren't cut with other nasty shit.[/QUOTE]
except where legalized there's still virtually no regulation of the actual content of grown drugs like pot
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Agree completely.
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