90+ agrees
Shows how a bit of reputation and charisma can get people to agree with you on anything foolish.
[QUOTE=Explosions;45188747]90+ agrees
Shows how a bit of reputation and charisma can get people to agree with you on anything foolish.[/QUOTE]
Because no one ever thought this before the pope said it?
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;45188776]Because no one ever thought this before the pope said it?[/QUOTE]
Not on Facepunch in the dozens of discussions of the topic that I've seen.
Yeah, FP isn't a hivemind and shit. But this forum in general has a pretty obvious stance on drug legalization which seems to have been thrown out of balance by FP's giant Pope Boner.
[QUOTE=Explosions;45188859]Not on Facepunch in the dozens of discussions of the topic that I've seen.
Yeah, FP isn't a hivemind and shit. But this forum in general has a pretty obvious stance on drug legalization which seems to have been thrown out of balance by FP's giant Pope Boner.[/QUOTE]
Well I agree with the pope on this, and have always held that stance. I keep my mouth shut in drug threads for reasons that should be obvious; I'm sure much the same can be said for a fair few posters.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;45189280]Well I agree with the pope on this, and have always held that stance. I keep my mouth shut in drug threads for reasons that should be obvious; I'm sure much the same can be said for a fair few posters.[/QUOTE]
Mind sharing your take on the matter? I personally cannot understand why anyone thinks its logical to keep drugs illegal so I'd like to hear what you have to say
[QUOTE=blerb;45189344]Mind sharing your take on the matter? I personally cannot understand why anyone thinks its logical to keep drugs illegal so I'd like to hear what you have to say[/QUOTE]
I don't have anything to say other than that I disagree with legalisation, that's why I keep out of these arguments, I don't have anything to add beyond "guys I don't agree".
I don't have any issues with better support for addicts, especially in terms of getting people through rehab, though.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;45189477]I don't have anything to say other than that I disagree with legalisation, that's why I keep out of these arguments, I don't have anything to add beyond "guys I don't agree".
I don't have any issues with better support for addicts, especially in terms of getting people through rehab, though.[/QUOTE]
i feel like if you can't argue a view, or explain a view beyond the basic premise of it, then you don't know why you hold that view.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45189646]i feel like if you can't argue a view, or explain a view beyond the basic premise of it, then you don't know why you hold that view.[/QUOTE]
I don't, which is precisely why I try to stay away from arguments about legalisation.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;45189679]I don't, which is precisely why I try to stay away from arguments about legalisation.[/QUOTE]
Then why do you hold that view?
[QUOTE=Explosions;45189701]Then why do you hold that view?[/QUOTE]
Did I not just say I don't know why?
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;45189718]Did I not just say I don't know why?[/QUOTE]
Whatever, people don't just come into threads and make weird, contrarian statements and then say "I don't know" when asked why.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;45189718]Did I not just say I don't know why?[/QUOTE]
you've never thought to actually examine your position?
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;45178344]Why not legalize anyway? Send drug addicts to rehab instead of prison. Take it from Portugal, drug use has gone down, std spread through shared needles, ect, has gone down, deaths from heroin were almost cut in half, and more people got help after legalization. Too bad every country can't do this.[/QUOTE]
as much as I like the portugese system..
you just pulled all that shit out of your ass.
It was never legalized. It was decriminalized.
When you say stuff like "legalization reduces drug use" its wishful thinking at best, manipulative agenda pushing at worst. If you want to prove that is via some hard evidence, I'm all ears.
[QUOTE=Explosions;45189733]Whatever, people don't just come into threads and make weird, contrarian statements and then say "I don't know" when asked why.[/QUOTE]
The only reason I mentioned my position was to respond to your bizarre suggestion that people are [I]only [/I]agreeing with the pope because they like the pope;
[QUOTE=Explosions;45188747]90+ agrees
Shows how a bit of reputation and charisma can get people to agree with you on anything foolish.[/QUOTE]
I never intended to get drawn into argument, and I'm not going to, by ceasing to post after this one.
Legalization doesn't reduce drug use, it pulls it out of the criminal circuit into a regulated one. It can be taxed, monitored and tested in order to make sure the product is 'safe for use' (meaning it wouldn't have all kinds of extra chemical junk in it).
Overall, it makes it safer, reduces crime and brings in money for the government. The question shouldn't be "To legalize or not to legalize", the question should be "Why the hell haven't we legalized it yet".
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;45189804]The only reason I mentioned my position was to respond to your bizarre suggestion that people are [I]only [/I]agreeing with the pope because they like the pope;[/QUOTE]
At this point, the Pope could say that he's shaky on gay marriage and I think he'd be able to sway more than a few liberal Catholics.
[QUOTE=Explosions;45188747]90+ agrees
Shows how a bit of reputation and charisma can get people to agree with you on anything foolish.[/QUOTE]
Pope Francis isn't against legalization for the bog-standard government reasons, he's saying he's against legalization because addiction is evil, and by legalizing drug use we'd essentially be submitting to evil.
That's why he's getting so many agrees; he's arguing against something using an angle most people don't bother with.
Edit: snip nevermind, I'm blind as hell.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;45189827]Pope Francis isn't against legalization for the bog-standard government reasons, he's saying he's against legalization because addiction is evil, and by legalizing drug use we'd essentially be submitting to evil.
That's why he's getting so many agrees; he's arguing against something using an angle most people don't bother with.[/QUOTE]
It is foolish to say that drugs are evil.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;45189827]Pope Francis isn't against legalization for the bog-standard government reasons, he's saying he's against legalization because addiction is evil, and by legalizing drug use we'd essentially be submitting to evil.
That's why he's getting so many agrees; he's arguing against something using an angle most people don't bother with.[/QUOTE]
alright but prohibition hasn't made addiction any less prevalent and the criminalization of drugs and social stigmas against addicts has made addiction worse if anything
[editline]23rd June 2014[/editline]
there are greater evils than addiction, ESPECIALLY if it's functioning addiction
most of the people rating agree probably aren't reading past the title. don't fool yourself
[editline]23rd June 2014[/editline]
drug addictions are bad. sure.
making having an addiction that much worse by throwing addicts in to prison is even worse.
[QUOTE=Explosions;45189847]It is foolish to say that drugs are evil.[/QUOTE]
He didn't, though:
[quote=Francis, Pope]"Drug addiction is an evil, and with evil there can be no yielding or compromise,"[/quote]
For the record, I didn't rate the OP agree.
+ saying that legalizing drugs is bad because addiction is evil sort of makes the assumption that all drug users are addicts, which is ridiculous
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;45189863]alright but prohibition hasn't made addiction any less prevalent and the criminalization of drugs and social stigmas against addicts has made addiction worse if anything
[editline]23rd June 2014[/editline]
there are greater evils than addiction, ESPECIALLY if it's functioning addiction[/QUOTE]
You seem to be implying the social stigmas associated with drug addiction are a bad thing.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;45189906]You seem to be implying the social stigmas associated with drug addiction are a bad thing.[/QUOTE]
they are when they cause drug addicts to be forced into crime since they can't get a job, addicts to lose support systems as friends and family abandon them, and addicts to not seek treatment out of either 1. self loathing 2. fear of said stigmas
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;45189916][B]they are when they cause drug addicts to be forced into crime since they can't get a job[/B], addicts to lose support systems as friends and family abandon them, and addicts to not seek treatment out of either 1. self loathing 2. fear of said stigmas[/QUOTE]
Well yeah, they're addicted to drugs. Would you trust a meth head to do their job consistently and on time?
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;45189958]Well yeah, they're addicted to drugs. Would you trust a meth head to do their job consistently and on time?[/QUOTE]
if they could do it then i don't see the problem? the workforce is full of functioning alcoholics
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;45189906]You seem to be implying the social stigmas associated with drug addiction are a bad thing.[/QUOTE]
Of course its a bad thing! The social stigma that drug addicts are automatically criminal scum who all brought this upon themselves by trying the drug in the first place is whats stopping society from helping them. Drug addiction is an illness, and the fact drugs are illegal stops us from treating it as such.
Its been proven over the past 30 years that prohibition doesnt work and isnt a deterrent, its time for a new approach. Treatment and education.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;45189718]Did I not just say I don't know why?[/QUOTE]
then you should stop posting and evaluate your position.
Everyone thinking about the things they want to say would make forums far more interesting
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;45189718]Did I not just say I don't know why?[/QUOTE]
Jesus Christ, how can you enter a discussion which requires reasoning with that attitude? It's like your purposely denying any evaluation of your position to withhold any criticism.. So you can what? Keep your image? Your tradition? Seriously how can you believe in an idea without knowledge of it!
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