• Pope Francis says don't legalise drugs
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[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;45178846]Jesus drank wine.[/QUOTE] Pope Francis probably drinks wine.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;45189679]I don't, which is precisely why I try to stay away from arguments about legalisation.[/QUOTE] It makes no sense to hold a view unless you know why you hold it otherwise you're just being guided by emotion and lack logical reasoning therefore shouldn't hold it. [editline]23rd June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Explosions;45189847]It is foolish to say that drugs are evil.[/QUOTE] Exactly. Saying something is "evil" doesn't do anything. He should explain WHY it is he disagrees with legalisation properly. [editline]23rd June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Lachz0r;45189882]+ saying that legalizing drugs is bad because addiction is evil sort of makes the assumption that all drug users are addicts, which is ridiculous[/QUOTE] Indeed. The majority of drug users are responsible in their use. Those are the ones we tend not to hear about in the media because they have no need to seek help.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;45189967]if they could do it then i don't see the problem? the workforce is full of functioning alcoholics[/QUOTE] If you're actually trying to state that alcoholism has no effect on the workplace than you're delusional. There's been more than enough studies linking it to production and job losses. And drug addiction sure as hell affects people keeping jobs, if you're constantly smoking crack before, during, or after work I can't see you keeping anything but the most basic of positions.
[QUOTE=plunger435;45192360]If you're actually trying to state that alcoholism has no effect on the workplace than you're delusional. There's been more than enough studies linking it to production and job losses. And drug addiction sure as hell affects people keeping jobs, if you're constantly smoking crack before, during, or after work I can't see you keeping anything but the most basic of positions.[/QUOTE] And my bet is with better programs in place for addicts and drugs legalized in some form, we'd see improvements in the work force
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45193636]And my bet is with better programs in place for addicts and drugs legalized in some form, we'd see improvements in the work force[/QUOTE] Which isn't what my problem is with, support for people suffering from addiction is a good thing, but you can't try and claim that drug addiction isn't a bad thing with a straight face.
[QUOTE=plunger435;45193895]Which isn't what my problem is with, support for people suffering from addiction is a good thing, but you can't try and claim that drug addiction isn't a bad thing with a straight face.[/QUOTE] depends on the level of addiction. Addiction isn't just a binary state of "addict" or "Not". it's a sliding scale. There are fully functional stoners/alcoholics/coke heads out there in the work force that aren't doing anything wrong. There are also addicts who can't do anything right and it shows. As a former heroin addict, I know not all addicts are made equal.
Certain drugs should be legalized. Drugs will always be sold on the "black market" and money will always be spent on it. Why give the money to baddies when the government can tax it and control it. Keeping control will make sure the prices won't go much up and down, at least not frequently. You know what you buy is good and not sprayed, mixed out, etc.... Safer for users, safer for everyone. Sometimes you have to work [I]with[/I] evil to contain the evilness...
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;45189967]if they could do it then i don't see the problem? the workforce is full of functioning alcoholics[/QUOTE] Because that's what everyone wants, more people under the influence doing things that could affect other people's lives. There's a reason why pretty much anyone who uses machinery of any kind should be sober and have a clear mind.
Drugs are neither universally good or universally evil. The majority of people that use drugs don't develop problems. The only reason it seems that most people who use them experience negative consequences or addiction, etc. is because only the bad cases are reported. The media courts moral absolutes, hospital rooms, and rehabilitation clinics. It most certainly does not go out seeking people that use responsibly to run positive drug stories. The people that do use responsibly don't shout about it for obvious reasons like stigma and prejudice and the possibility of criminal proceedings etc. What is the best way to deal with something that has the potential to be both good and evil? You regulate it and do everything you can to educate people about it and reduce harms associated with it and you eliminate the stigma surrounding it and make unbiased information available widely to all. You most certainly do not push it under the fucking carpet and let criminal organisations take over the whole goddamn market. Dealing in moral absolutes is stupid. There is always more to it than that. Don't forget that the majority of people that use drugs do so without issue and many of them, unpopularly, have a great time. For a Catholic leader the current Pope, to a non - believer like myself, has seemed pretty worldly and fair up to this point but he seems completely ignorant when it comes to this issue and I hope he backtracks for the sake of those that take his word as universal truth and for the sake of the rest of us that have to deal with the consequences of that.
This man is going to get shot. I don't want it to happen, but [I]look at what he's doing.[/I] Removing safety measures, talking shit about the mafia, saying no to drugs. He's going to piss off the wrong person.
Honestly the issue lies it the status quo So many people have no prior knowledge if drugs ither than "it makes you different, stop them" This causes the uproar of people who refuse to actually study or research the topic and rather sheepishly chant say no to pot I don't even smoke anything but i've had friends who do and have offered, they're pretty much the same people as when i met them
[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;45178846]Jesus drank wine.[/QUOTE] Jesus Probably did opium.
Back in biblical times wine wasn't just alcohol and could have all sorts of psychoactive herbs and stuff in it afaik too
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