[QUOTE=thrawn2787;45257459]Japan is still full of racist assholes and after their history shouldn't be allowed to be militarized ever again.[/QUOTE]
This is a pretty terrible argument, every country is full of racist assholes.
[editline]30th June 2014[/editline]
"well several decades ago you something bad so you can NEVER have a military!"
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;45257459]Japan is still full of racist assholes and after their history shouldn't be allowed to be militarized ever again. Even ignoring all that, do you really want another nation to go wage war?
But yeah on that racism and shit do look it up; very high up officials are racist and deny war crimes in World War II. I believe their official state broadcaster said they did nothing wrong in China back then and that they were "just liberating mainland asia from US imperialism" and that most of all this was "US lies"[/QUOTE]
America has racist assholes and nationalists in the Government too. I don't think that Japan should have to rely on America and other outside support to protect them from the very much larger bullies like China or North Korea. Also, the majority of Japanese people are much less Nationalistic and even less willing to go to war.
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;45256168]I never understood this form of protest. I'm gonna refer to Ricky Gervais on this.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7aNUclvckg[/media][/QUOTE]
Ricky was probably talking about this:
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[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];45255851']It was self-immolation that kicked off the Arab Spring. It's a powerful and selfless way to bring attention to something.[/QUOTE]
Self-immolation is also used in Tibet, to protest against the PRC's occupation over the region.
[url]http://www.savetibet.org/resources/fact-sheets/self-immolations-by-tibetans/[/url]
[QUOTE=Ta16;45257679]
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Communist party rally last fall.[/QUOTE]
what rally there's like no one there. ( besides cop's. )
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;45258235]what rally there's like no one there. ( besides cop's. )[/QUOTE]
Japan Communist party, there was a line of cops and barriers lining the street for a good 2km. The rally is kinda like a parade so to speak as they will travel on one lane single file with their vans spouting commie propaganda as they march to City hall. To clarify, in that particular picture I took there is a hotel and orchastral hall to the left not pictured. The Teachers union was holding their annual meeting there and as a group they are pretty unpopular. I gotta admit it was kinda cool, like a real life city 17 with all the JNP and barriers.
[QUOTE=Orkel;45257482]It's the usual old people in positions of power thing, same in the US. The younger, globalized generation is far less racist in comparison.[/QUOTE]
As I get older the people my age are beginning to show their true colors and I realize this idea was just an idealized notion I told myself to cope.
[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;45256287]suicide bombing?[/QUOTE]
No way, not only is suicide bombing fucking stupid and hurts innocent people, the message you want will not get across because people will discount you for a psychopathic terrorist (which you are if you think suicide bombing is a good idea)
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;45257459]Japan is still full of racist assholes and after their history shouldn't be allowed to be militarized ever again. Even ignoring all that, do you really want another nation to go wage war?
But yeah on that racism and shit do look it up; very high up officials are racist and deny war crimes in World War II. I believe their official state broadcaster said they did nothing wrong in China back then and that they were "just liberating mainland asia from US imperialism" and that most of all this was "US lies"[/QUOTE]
Not only that, but the Nationalists are pretending that Fukushima isn't a problem, and are to focused on saying that the Chinese are the real problem that they are probably going to fuck Japan up big time in the long run.
[QUOTE=Ta16;45257679]What you failed to point out is WHY it's being reinterpreted. Under the current interpretation of Article 9 in the event a joint battlegroup, a joint USN/JMSDF patrol openly comes under attack by say the Chinese they would not be able to do anything unless directly attacked, basically they'd have to watch their American battle buddies burn to prevent being in breach of Article 9.
The change is going to give the JSDF alot more flexibility when it comes to doing things, more so he's looking to turn JSDF into a full time professional military. I will go on record and say I've worked with JMSDF and JGSDF personnel and they are some of the smartest, best and coolest individuals I've ever worked with, but they are NOT a full time military, infact they are not an actual military at all, they are a volunteer security force and cannot be held to contract. Example they can't hold you to a contract like other modern militaries, ergo you can just get up and quit at any time like it was McDonalds. This would also allow Japan a better expansion on their military capabilities. Article 9 was imposed on them by us.
As for the protest, so what? 30-40k? I doubt it, and even if that was a remotely accurate number that still doesn't speak for the entire country, yeah some people don't like it but that's tough cookies for them. I've seen a lot of stuff since I came here 6 years ago. I've seen a communist party rallies, Ultra nationalist speeches and anti-US protests which happen quite often. Sure the change is somewhat unpopular but it's a long term, necessary step.
Communist party rally last fall.[/QUOTE]
Thats all fine and dandy but if the JSDF navy came under fire from a Chinese battle group and took hits or had their comrades take hits, then they would return fire regardless, article 9 be damned. Legislation counts for fuck all under combat situations.
Furthermore, Japan is in a bad way with Russia and China at the moment. Japan is contesting a few rocks out in the Pacific against both countries and is still technically still at war with Russia. The last thing it needs is a nationalist fool trying to justify the annexation of those rocks.
Theres quite a few nationalist politicians that deny war crimes like the Rape of Nanjing, so the last thing they need to give them is the ability to be an aggressor and start an unnecessary war.
I think the person recording is an Indonesian, In the first few seconds of the video we can hear a little girl screaming "Mom lets go there, They're telling us not to stay here, Mom I don't want to be here"
[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;45256287]suicide bombing?[/QUOTE]
I meant attention grabbing. Suicide bombing is almost always a form a terrorism if not a war fighting tactic.
is he ok?
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;45257761]America has racist assholes and nationalists in the Government too. I don't think that Japan should have to rely on America and other outside support to protect them from the very much larger bullies like China or North Korea. Also, the majority of Japanese people are much less Nationalistic and even less willing to go to war.[/QUOTE]
But what about removing article 9 is going to actually do this? The US will still have forces in Japan and Japan, if attacked by anyone, would still be able to retaliate whether article 9 is there or not.
The only thing it prevents you from doing is striking first, not defending yourself. There is a reason terms like 'collective defense' or 'pre-emptive self-defense' come up, and it tends to be somewhat unrelated to actually defending something.
[editline]1st July 2014[/editline]
Oh, and it restricts the amount of the national budget military spending can take up to 1% of GDP as well. Despite this, the JSDF is still equipped with modern weapons, owns tanks helicopters and ships, and nearly every other facet of a modern military.
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