[QUOTE=Vasili;51428491]I haven't seen a good one for.[/QUOTE]
So the internet, a device that basically exists because of multinational cooperation which literally couldn't exist without globalism isn't worth it?
The technology we're able to make isn't worth it?
The fact you enjoy computer games and products isn't worth it? What about the readily available supply of crops year round? That's not worth it?
No, you've heard hundreds. You've just never paid attention.
[editline]25th November 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=niiiiiiiiok;51428592]but it is a complete fucking waste, there's plenty of programs helping homeless or fighting hatecrimes, but the homeless need more food and funding to live.[/QUOTE]
how is it a waste? a waste implies it's not being used, so this isn't being used? How do you know?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51428601]So the internet, a device that basically exists because of multinational cooperation which literally couldn't exist without globalism isn't worth it?
The technology we're able to make isn't worth it?
The fact you enjoy computer games and products isn't worth it? What about the readily available supply of crops year round? That's not worth it?
No, you've heard hundreds. You've just never paid attention.[/QUOTE]He never said any of that. Maybe he disagrees and agrees with some of it, but this is only going to push him away from answering you, considering there's a lot of loaded questions he can't answer.
[QUOTE=MissingNoGuy;51428627]He never said any of that. Maybe he disagrees and agrees with some of it, but this is only going to push him away from answering you, considering there's a lot of loaded questions he can't answer.[/QUOTE]
How are those "loaded" questions?
They're questions that pertain to the subject matter of globalism. They're questions that I genuinely think are important in the context of "There's no good arguments for globalism" for a person on the internet, enjoying the benefits of "globalism".
The idealogical exchange of ideas across borders is one of the premier concepts of globalism and leads towards better technology and more fully realized perspectives from different peoples. I'd say you'd have to be shutting your eyes to the results of globalism to not be seeing an argument for it, and against it, on a regular basis in your daily life.
World Government is coming, whether we like it or not, simply due to human nature. Those that lust after power will not stop until they have merged-and-acquired everything.
Even if Soros weren't pushing for world government, there are a million more waiting to unify the world's nations for their [i]own[/i] purposes - and "for the children" - since they somehow believe that an all-powerful world government would bring "peace".
Let me take this a little further and suggest that at one level or another, all wars have been for profit - and those financing those wars have been working toward world consolidation since man discovered fire. What's more, their children, and their children's children will go on working toward world government until it is achieved. At that point, society will be so technologically advanced that the majority of jobs will not be needed, and the remaining few will let the rest of the population die off. This is a long process, people.
I'm not sure there's much that can even be done about it by anyone. The richest on this planet even get together for this purpose. More and more integration, more and more automation, until such time as only their families remain due to competitive advantage.
One of the unspoken truths about "progressivism" is the idea that humankind are progressing. But who defines progress? Well, "progressives" might describe the ideology of others, such as religious thought to be "regressive" - basically, they want to "progress" to a society where everyone's dancing around in circles with no war and they get free money, drugs and sex. The likes of George Soros are quite happy to provide these people with those kinds of goodies if it means he and his friends get to consolidate more of the planet and eliminate more borders.
[QUOTE=ph:lxyz;51428649]World Government is coming, whether we like it or not, simply due to human nature. Those that lust after power will not stop until they have merged-and-acquired everything.
Even if Soros weren't pushing for world government, there are a million more waiting to unify the world's nations for their [i]own[/i] purposes - and "for the children" - since they somehow believe that an all-powerful world government would bring "peace".
Let me take this a little further and suggest that at one level or another, all wars have been for profit - and those financing those wars have been working toward world consolidation since man discovered fire. What's more, their children, and their children's children will go on working toward world government until it is achieved. At that point, society will be so technologically advanced that the majority of jobs will not be needed, and the remaining few will let the rest of the population die off. This is a long process, people.
I'm not sure there's much that can even be done about it by anyone. The richest on this planet even get together for this purpose. More and more integration, more and more automation, until such time as only their families remain due to competitive advantage.[/QUOTE]
every time I read your posts I get a little bit more bewildered that people really do believe this level of crazy shit
[QUOTE=ph:lxyz;51428649]World Government is coming, whether we like it or not, simply due to human nature. Those that lust after power will not stop until they have merged-and-acquired everything.
Even if Soros weren't pushing for world government, there are a million more waiting to unify the world's nations for their [i]own[/i] purposes - and "for the children" - since they somehow believe that an all-powerful world government would bring "peace".
Let me take this a little further and suggest that at one level or another, all wars have been for profit - and those financing those wars have been working toward world consolidation since man discovered fire. What's more, their children, and their children's children will go on working toward world government until it is achieved. At that point, society will be so technologically advanced that the majority of jobs will not be needed, and the remaining few will let the rest of the population die off. This is a long process, people.
I'm not sure there's much that can even be done about it by anyone. The richest on this planet even get together for this purpose. More and more integration, more and more automation, until such time as only their families remain due to competitive advantage.
One of the unspoken truths about "progressivism" is the idea that humankind are progressing. But who defines progress? Well, "progressives" might describe the ideology of others, such as religious thought to be "regressive" - basically, they want to "progress" to a society where everyone's dancing around in circles with no war and they get free money, drugs and sex. The likes of George Soros are quite happy to provide these people with those kinds of goodies if it means he and his friends get to consolidate more of the planet and eliminate more borders.[/QUOTE]
Just one question.
When do you think humanity discovered fire?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51428654]every time I read your posts I get a little bit more bewildered that people really do believe this level of crazy shit[/QUOTE]
Every time I see people's responses to my posts about this subject, I am shown how little people actually grasp human nature. This isn't a "big conspiracy" - it's just what is going to happen as a result of unchecked human nature.
[editline]26th November 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Arctic-Zone;51428662]Just one question.
When do you think humanity discovered fire?[/QUOTE]
About 3 - 4 million years ago, at least. That was the time that mankind discovered that they could "be" God - because the power in their hands was scary to the others who didn't understand it. The people who found out to harness fire knew that they would be held above the rest of society as "magicians" - since they can bring about the power of lightning-to-a-tree from their own hands. These people were feared and respected, and became the first holders of "hidden knowledge". From there you get religion, etc...
[QUOTE=ph:lxyz;51428663]Every time I see people's responses to my posts about this subject, I am shown how little people actually grasp human nature. This isn't a "big conspiracy" - it's just what is going to happen as a result of unchecked human nature.[/QUOTE]
I kinda just roll my eyes when you say shit like this.
What don't I get about human nature? That we're greedy, shrewd, lying, despicable pieces of shit? No, I get that, and I probably think less of people than you'd expect, but that doesn't really play into this whole "world government globalism is evil" thing you have going on.
You just connect the wrong dots and now that you have, you absolutely refuse to see it any other way.
Listen - a world government could be a good thing, but the problem is, it is the liers, the cheats and the scum of society that play the system the hardest, that get to the top.
If there is only one "top" on this planet, escape becomes difficult.
At the moment, migrants fleeing terrible conditions can know that at least one country will take them in.
When there is only one country, you're not going anywhere.
We like to think, as a planet, that as we become more efficient at production, our working ours will decrease and we will be able to enjoy the fruits of our labour. In reality, the banking system picks up the excess via fractional reserve lending and the real wealth is sucked away. What will actually happen, is that over the next few hundred years, millions of people will simply find themselves surplus to requirement. If you own all the automated farming machinery and healthcare systems, you can't employ everyone else on the planet to maintain those machines - at that point there are still too many people to provide with useful employment. Those people are not going to be given an olive branch by the people that own all the resources.
Appeals to human nature are pretty silly, human nature varies a lot depending on the condition and is just an easy thing to point to without offering a compelling argument
I prefer to instead talk about systems themselves and how they cultivate behavior. And I actually don't think you're terribly wrong that technological advancement could wind up being hell for the working class.
Although "one country" would probably wind up a lot more like an in-between of the EU and the US. Not really like a France where it's fairly unitary. So even in that situation you can escape to somewhere else if your location is shit, depending on WHY it's shit.
I don't think global government would really mean it's all one nation, one government, one country kind of deal.
It's not even like that now, governance is always divided up into more managable chunks
i mean your fears aren't unreasonable but i kind of doubt that's the way it would go
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51428706]Appeals to human nature are pretty silly, human nature varies a lot depending on the condition and is just an easy thing to point to without offering a compelling argument
I prefer to instead talk about systems themselves and how they cultivate behavior. And I actually don't think you're terribly wrong that technological advancement could wind up being hell for the working class[/QUOTE]
As you say, the working class will need to find ways to specialize. With the increase in the availability and complexity of AI, the set of work that employs the mind will be focused on those who have had the best opportunities in life to hone their skills of thought. Many people struggling to make ends meet won't have had a chance to foster those skills end end up locked out.
As for human nature, you can have a room with 100 people in it. If 99 of those people are well intentioned, but the single individual is not, that individual with intentions that are negative to the rest has an advantage because they're not playing by the rules. Basically, it only takes a single "bad egg" to spoil the batch.
[editline]26th November 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51428711]I don't think global government would really mean it's all one nation, one government, one country kind of deal.
It's not even like that now, governance is always divided up into more managable chunks
i mean your fears aren't unreasonable but i kind of doubt that's the way it would go[/QUOTE]
Global "governance" is fine in my book so long as there are checks and balances. The problem I see, is the insatiable desire by directors of multinational corporations and heads of state (who naturally want to be voted into positions of responsibility) to piece-by-piece do away with the differences in culture that make each nation unique and special by harmonizing not just things that effect better international trade, but also regional policy. It is obvious why they do this - it enables them to be promoted to higher capacities and to do even more business (hence the human nature).
It would be a real shame however if, 200 years from now, as a result of this, the whole world became a monoculture with no diversity of purpose or belief and a single state. Look up the UNPA, this is an attempt to move in this direction. The attempt looks noble, and no doubt its participants have good intentions, but the potential for abuse of power is even greater than anything we can imagine.
I don't believe a monoculture is possible to be frank.
Anywhere you have communities that insulate themselves, you have unique organic culture growing from that. People will never not wall themselves off into their own communities of their own choice, creation, or confinement, and from that culture will come.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51428654]every time I read your posts I get a little bit more bewildered that people really do believe this level of crazy shit[/QUOTE]
You might feel that way but he is very close to the truth... its a fact of life that powerful individuals want more power.
same guy who funds BLM which does more hate crime
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51428546]just cuz x is more of a problem than y doesn't mean y isnt a problem worth tackling[/QUOTE]
for a made up issue? pshht get real with yourself.
Did he donate $10 million to fight bad renditions of Pepes and Facebook meme groups?
Just to add to my previous point about the elite seeing human life as surplus to requirement, here's an op-ed posted by the BBC today which reinforces my point: [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37992503[/url]
[QUOTE=EddieLTU;51429716]same guy who funds BLM which does more hate crime[/QUOTE]
Got any proof there bud?
[QUOTE=EddieLTU;51429716]same guy who funds BLM which does more hate crime[/QUOTE]
As a grass roots movement that has branches in many parts of the world, not just america, I could say BLM does not cause hate crimes and neither of us would be wrong.
[QUOTE=Matthew0505;51430344]Hate crime is a made up issue?[/QUOTE]
To me, planning to and killing someone for their estate is a crime of the same severity as planning and killing a minority for being a minority. It's stupid that they tack on more time for the motive, which is not done for anything else. I mean sure their motive can get them the maximum sentence the crime can legally have here, but it doesn't have it's own provision extending such maximum sentences. Also, how the fuck is jailing someone for longer going to change their ways? Jail doesn't do shit to reform people, especially in the states.
[QUOTE=space1;51431411]To me, planning to and killing someone for their estate is a crime of the same severity as planning and killing a minority for being a minority. It's stupid that they tack on more time for the motive, which is not done for anything else. I mean sure their motive can get them the maximum sentence the crime can legally have here, but it doesn't have it's own provision extending such maximum sentences. Also, how the fuck is jailing someone for longer going to change their ways? Jail doesn't do shit to reform people, especially in the states.[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about? Motive is built into the way we treat [i]all[/i] violent crime. That's why there are three degrees of murder, and unintentionally killing someone through criminal negligence is manslaughter.
As for whether the criminal justice system actually does any good, you got me there. Prison reform is important, but until that point I'm honestly fine with keeping people who beat the shit out of other people over shit as stupid as their skin color in prison for longer, yeah.
I'm curious though, what are your thoughts on prison systems such as the ones in Norway?
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