Kid Rock on Fox News: 'The European dream is my nightmare' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=bravehat;20403825]Just cause it's in your right's doesnt make it a good idea. Dumbasses with guns is a reciper for disaster as evidence by the monthly school shootings you guys have.[/QUOTE] Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Assuming your from England, it's not like your knife/stabbing crimes have been going down. If anything people from the south have the most respect for firearms, they aren't going to point a gun at you unless you point a gun at them.

[QUOTE=bravehat;20403825]Just cause it's in your right's doesnt make it a good idea. Dumbasses with guns is a reciper for disaster as evidence by the monthly school shootings you guys have.[/QUOTE] Unrelated really. Tightening gun control doesn't make the illegal guns go away, and thats the majority of gun-related crime right there.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;20403880]Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Assuming your from England, it's not like your knife/stabbing crimes have been going down. [/QUOTE] Their overall murder rate is significantly lower than the U.S.'s, regardless of weapon used. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate[/url] Facts are a bitch, aren't they? (and don't complain about it being wikipedia, it's all sourced)

[QUOTE=ASmellyOgre;20403826]So you would rather pay 10%-25% less in taxes than help to save the lives of thousands, nay, millions of innocent people, most of whom are productive members of society. That says a lot about you.[/QUOTE] I'd rather have our current system reformatted and fix fucked up medicare than pay more taxes than I have to right now because medicare is so fucking expensive. I'd be making $40,000 a year if it wasn't for medicare, which takes out almost $8,000. That combined with my own states medical taxes makes a good $13,000. [quote=sigma-lambda]Ahahaha nice job being tricked into thinking that poor people in America are poor because they're lazy. That is literally the most bullshit and malicious lie in American history and you fucking fell for it hahahaha you got duped son I'm pretty sure it's not illegal to say "Fuck you [prime minister]" in any western european country bro [/quote] Most people are poor because they are uneducated or mentally ill, but lots of people live off the system. My girlfriends father is one of them. Quite frankly I wouldn't pay healthcare for them either way, because that doesn't solve the problem. Education and mental care would be the issue. And saying "FUCK YOU OBAMA" was referencing my freedoms of speech and other such freedoms. Considering that the nazi party is banned in most of Europe (i hate them, but they deserve their right to believe whatever) and lots of explicit games and such are completely censored I think i make my point. [editline]04:32PM[/editline] [quote=Sigma-lambda]Their overall murder rate is significantly lower than the U.S.'s, regardless of weapon used. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate[/url] Facts are a bitch, aren't they? (and don't complain about it being wikipedia, it's all sourced) [/quote] "List of countries by intentional homicide rate per year per 100,000 inhabitants for the years from 2000 onwards." There are approximately 62,041,708 people in england, and there are approximately 308,745,000 people in the united states. Huge population difference. Not to mention things such as drug wars, gang violence, and other such things are not taken into consideration. This is not because of guns, this is because the united states happens to be a vast culmination of cultures with a wide variety of ethnicity and beliefs which happen to clash a majority of the time. It's not my fault the UK happens to be a majority white similar idealist nation.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;20404000]Most people are poor because they are uneducated or mentally ill, but lots of people live off the system. [/QUOTE] So you're going to let lots of people suffer because just a few people leech off the system? [QUOTE=UncleJimmema;20404000]My girlfriends father is one of them. Quite frankly I wouldn't pay healthcare for them either way, because that doesn't solve the problem. Education and mental care would be the issue. [/QUOTE] Then you pay more money for education instead. It's the same either way. But that wouldn't work either because you can't "educate away" schizophrenia or PTSD. (those two conditions make up a massive portion of the homeless population) People with those conditions can't be cured with education, they need prescription anti-psychotics and constant medical surveillance. "Mental care" is part of health care. Listen, I know what I am talking about when it comes to psychological illness. Education does nothing to prevent them. You know what one of the number one causes of PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) is? War. You want to support the troops? Then get them off the fucking street. [QUOTE=UncleJimmema;20404000] and lots of explicit games and such are completely censored I think i make my point.[/QUOTE] uh, Europe isn't one giant country. All of the video game banning you're talking about is happening IN GERMANY. That's one country. There are tons of others without any video game censorship.

[QUOTE=JDK721;20399516]At least he's honest. "I probably shouldn't be really talking about politics. I'm not that educated."[/QUOTE] That only makes him sound more retarded. You don't have to go to Harvard to be able to talk about politics. Hell just pick up a fucking good newspaper and there you have it - you're learned on at least one current topical aspect of politics.

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;20404201]So you're going to let lots of people suffer because just a few people leech off the system? Then you pay more money for education instead. It's the same either way. But that wouldn't work either because you can't "educate away" schizophrenia or PTSD. (those two conditions make up a massive portion of the homeless population) People with those conditions can't be cured with education, they need prescription anti-psychotics and constant medical surveillance. "Mental care" is part of health care. Listen, I know what I am talking about when it comes to psychological illness. Education does nothing to prevent them. As for the troops with PSTD that is what the government is supposed to take care of, and I do agree that medical benefits need to be increased FOR VETS. uh, Europe isn't one giant country. All of the video game banning you're talking about is happening IN GERMANY. That's one country. There are tons of others without any video game censorship.[/QUOTE] I'm going to let people suffer because no matter what people are going to suffer. If people want help they can go to a charity (something I am willing to put money into), it shouldn't be the governments job to do that. Secondly, yes I would rather pump money into education. Education is cheaper then medication and does a lot more than tide a life over. Considering that it cost me $8,000 to have my tonsils removed and approximately the same amount for me to go to college for two years you should be able to see why. and sure, the game thing is just in Germany. But the nazi thing isn't, and there are plenty of other laws enacted by the EU and countries within it that I would consider hindering of rights. When it comes down to it, with few exceptions the countries within Europe do not experience the same level of freedom as America.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;20404000] It's not my fault the UK happens to be a majority white similar idealist nation.[/QUOTE] You clearly don't know anything about the UK. [QUOTE=UncleJimmema;20404302]with few exceptions the countries within Europe do not experience the same level of freedom as America.[/QUOTE] Oh no! I don't have the freedom to be a Nazi. Europe is cruel. I wish I was American.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;20404302]and sure, the game thing is just in Germany. But the nazi thing isn't, and there are plenty of other laws enacted by the EU and countries within it that I would consider hindering of rights. When it comes down to it, with few exceptions the countries within Europe do not experience the same level of freedom as America.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act[/url]

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;20404000]There are approximately 62,041,708 people in england, and there are approximately 308,745,000 people in the united states. Huge population difference.[/quote] "Rates" specifically work around population numbers. It breaks it down to 100,000 people segments instead of "x number of murders for 300,000,000 country. If the US's murder rate is the highest, then its the highest, and there is no excuses around it. [QUOTE=UncleJimmema;20404000]Not to mention things such as drug wars, gang violence, and other such things are not taken into consideration.[/quote] Thats a stupid argument, just gonna be frank about it. Thats like saying "Oh, but the accident rates don't count things like drunk drivers and stupid teenagers on their phones". It may not specify, but thats the point. Its a rate, its indiscriminate in this case, and simply collects everything. All the things that you've mentioned are already included. [QUOTE=UncleJimmema;20404000]This is not because of guns, this is because the united states happens to be a vast culmination of cultures with a wide variety of ethnicity and beliefs which happen to clash a majority of the time.[/quote] I would easily argue that almost all European countries have far more of what you've mentioned, going back thousands of years due to the continent's history. [QUOTE=UncleJimmema;20404000]It's not my fault the UK happens to be a majority white similar idealist nation.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_Kingdom#Ethnicity[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_united_states#Race_and_ethnicity[/url] You're both majorities. P.S. I'm Canadian.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;20404302]I'm going to let people suffer because no matter what people are going to suffer.[/QUOTE] That is bullshit and you know it. That's not any sort of justification. By that logic it's ok to ignore it when people get raped because people are always going to get raped. You don't actually believe that. [QUOTE=UncleJimmema;20404302] If people want help they can go to a charity (something I am willing to put money into), it shouldn't be the governments job to do that. [/QUOTE] It's the government's job to promote public welfare. It says that right in the preamble to the constitution. The government already promotes welfare in the form of public schools, transportation, and police forces. Don't you think that health care is just as important as those other things? [QUOTE=UncleJimmema;20404302]Secondly, yes I would rather pump money into education. Education is cheaper then medication and does a lot more than tide a life over. [/QUOTE] Not when it comes to Schizophrenia or PTSD. I explained that in my previous post. Those conditions (which make up a majority of the mentally ill homeless population) cannot be prevented or fixed with education. People with high-level schizophrenia or PTSD [B]NEED[/B] anti-psychotic medication or medical surveillance to function as members of society. There isn't any way around it. You can't educate that shit away. Nevermind the fact that many, many homeless people with PTSD are war veterans who got that way fighting for your country.

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;20404325]You clearly don't know anything about the UK. Oh no! I don't have the freedom to be a Nazi. Europe is cruel. I wish I was American.[/QUOTE] I do know that the UK has a 92% white ethnicity and a homogeneous population. I also know that it is an island country and does not have a high rate of immigration. Sure the people bicker amongst themselves and have vastly different ideals but they are all used to the same livelyhood. Secondly, replace nazi with christian, catholic, jew, english, gay, whatever. Might just be nazis now, but it could potentially apply to anyone later.

Everyone in this thread is anti conservative I see.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;20404461]does not have a high rate of immigration.[/QUOTE] We had a massive immigration problem at the turn of this century. [QUOTE=UncleJimmema;20404461]Secondly, replace nazi with christian, catholic, jew, english, gay, whatever. Might just be nazis now, but it could potentially apply to anyone later.[/QUOTE] "Potentially" meaning... 0.1% chance of it happening?

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;20404461]Secondly, replace nazi with christian, catholic, jew, english, gay, whatever. Might just be nazis now, but it could potentially apply to anyone later.[/QUOTE] I would love to see you be manipulated, fooled, murdered, and pretty much raped by an ideology for fifteen~ years and be so enthralled by it as to still allow it in your own country.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;20404461]Secondly, replace nazi with christian, catholic, jew, english, gay, whatever. Might just be nazis now, but it could potentially apply to anyone later.[/QUOTE] Either he's so stupid that he believes that BS or he's a very clever troll. I'm guessing the latter at this point.

[QUOTE=ASmellyOgre;20404543]Either he's so stupid that he believes that BS or he's a very clever troll. I'm guessing the latter at this point.[/QUOTE] I've never, ever, seen a troll attempt to defend himself with decent although mostly wrong facts though. So probably the former.

[QUOTE=Dr Pepper;20404490]Everyone in this thread is anti conservative I see.[/QUOTE] [B]Social[/B] conservatives are retarded.

[QUOTE=Dr Pepper;20404490]Everyone in this thread is anti conservative I see.[/QUOTE] No. This guy is just an idiot. I support conservative ideals if they make sense. This guy believes everything wrong with the political right, though.

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;20404433]That is bullshit and you know it. That's not any sort of justification. By that logic it's ok to ignore it when people get raped because people are always going to get raped. You don't actually believe that. It's the government's job to promote public welfare. It says that right in the preamble to the constitution. The government already promotes welfare in the form of public schools, transportation, and police forces. Don't you think that health care is just as important as those other things? Not when it comes to Schizophrenia or PTSD. I explained that in my previous post. Those conditions (which make up a majority of the mentally ill homeless population) cannot be prevented or fixed with education. People with high-level schizophrenia or PTSD [B]NEED[/B] anti-psychotic medication or medical surveillance to function as members of society. There isn't any way around it. You can't educate that shit away.[/QUOTE] Last time i check most people ignore rapes as a daily thing anyway. Am I saying if I saw someone getting raped i wouldn't do anything? No, of course not. I'm saying I'm going to treat all of that as a statistic just like the government treats me. It says PROMOTE, not pay for. and I never said they can just educate that shit away, yes they do need medical treatment. Problem is public healthcare isn't going to focus on that problem, it would focus on johnny jack offs cold and flu symptoms. Unless we payed taxes out the wazoo we would not be able to afford cancer treatment or extended patient care. What really needs to be reformed is the medical monopoly on medical products made her in america. The reason why they cost so much is because that's the price these companies sell them for, and they can do that because the are the only ones that make these products.

[QUOTE=Aaronn;20396419]All the rednecks at my school blast his shitty music in their shitty trucks. What they don't realize is that he from Wisconsin, despite singing many many songs about "the south." (For those who don't live in America, stupid rednecks still hold grudges against people from states in the "north" from the line drawn during the civil war)[/QUOTE] I live in South Mississippi, and I don't know a single person that dislikes northerners just because of civil war shit. I know people that hate northerners based on their experiences with living there though.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;20404594] and I never said they can just educate that shit away, yes they do need medical treatment. Problem is public healthcare isn't going to focus on that problem, it would focus on johnny jack offs cold and flu symptoms. .[/QUOTE] But lots and lots of our public education money is going to kids who don't want to learn and don't give a fuck about school. If you've been to any public high school in America, you'd know that. So should we stop paying for public schools?

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;20404594]and I never said they can just educate that shit away, yes they do need medical treatment. Problem is public healthcare isn't going to focus on that problem, it would focus on johnny jack offs cold and flu symptoms. Unless we payed taxes out the wazoo we would not be able to afford cancer treatment or extended patient care.[/QUOTE] Canada, the UK, Spain, Portugal, Germany, France, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Iceland, Cuba, Norway, Finland, Sweden,and Mexico would like a word with you.

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;20404639]But lots and lots of our public education money is going to kids who don't want to learn and don't give a fuck about school. If you've been to any public high school in America, you'd know that. So should we stop paying for public schools?[/QUOTE] I think the public schools should be a lot more strict with their policies and laws should be enacted that prevent lawsuits towards teachers for doing things that would otherwise be considered the proper thing to do. It's hard to teach kids when they disrupt class and cause problems with teachers who can't do a damn thing about it because if they do mommy and daddy will shove a lawsuit down their throat. That and some parents lack discipline of their own. People seem to forget that a lot of issues stem from people like themselves, issues which could be solved by simple changes in their lifestyles. Of course people choose to instead look towards the government to solve all their problem. If they want their kids to be smart and succesful they need to do more than just drop their kid off and pick them up from school every day. (and yes i truly believe this ;) ) [QUOTE=Exploits;20404700]Canada, the UK, Spain, Portugal, Germany, France, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Iceland, Cuba, Norway, Finland, Sweden,and Mexico would like a word with you.[/QUOTE] They all pay nazi death taxes to afford that shit though

[QUOTE=Dr Pepper;20404490]Everyone in this thread is anti conservative I see.[/QUOTE] why don't you bitch about it in this day and age if you are socially conservative you just have things up your arse fiscal conservatism is completely different

[QUOTE=thisispain;20404781]why don't you bitch about it in this day and age if you are socially conservative you just have things up your arse fiscal conservatism is completely different[/QUOTE] I agree with you thisispain.

[QUOTE=JDK721;20404885]I agree with you thisispain.[/QUOTE] that's hot

I love how the Europeans are all acting up-in-arms, like they've never generalized America.

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;20404594]and I never said they can just educate that shit away, yes they do need medical treatment. Problem is public healthcare isn't going to focus on that problem, it would focus on johnny jack offs cold and flu symptoms. Unless we payed taxes out the wazoo we would not be able to afford cancer treatment or extended patient care. What really needs to be reformed is the medical monopoly on medical products made her in america. The reason why they cost so much is because that's the price these companies sell them for, and they can do that because the are the only ones that make these products.[/QUOTE] FINALLY a decent argument. The thing with colds are that they sometimes aren't colds. You can't just dismiss someone because you think it's not serious. It most likely isn't, but you'll never know until you test. Now, once it's enacted, they could not refuse treatment because they hit a slump. People will expect the same treatment even if they don't have enough money to do it. That's why we need to not only take more taxes, but also be careful with spending. My dad works as a civilian with the Navy and his number one complaint is unnecessary spending on stupid shit. This goes from redundant bureaucracy to entire multi-million to billion dollar contracts with companies who never follow through for systems that function perfectly well (*cough*General Dynamic*cough*). He even pointed out that they could save untold amounts of money by ditching Windows and going open-source. This is also true and is a major part of the healthcare bill last I checked. Although, I did check quite a while ago. Really, my only major complaint is that they are responding to pressure and removing the universal plan. That is a make-or-break for me because without it there is no true national healthcare, just a whole mess of useless bureaucracy. I want to have free basic government-provided insurance like every other first-world country.

[QUOTE=G71tc4;20405003]I love how the Europeans are all acting up-in-arms, like they've never generalized America.[/QUOTE] yeah you damn americans with your hamburgers and chuck taylors