White people got their skin and hair from Neanderthals - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43718730]How is it challenging my views? I didn't really downplay it. I'm saying some facts. Growth from a couple billion to a second digit couple billion is less impressive than HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS.[/QUOTE] So money makes us different Point proven, you should become a scientist

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43718705]And?[/QUOTE] And Japan was fucking unstable since they viewed themselves as improperly being chained by a foreign culture....You do understand that Japan is extremely xenophobic regarding their country because of the fact that they were isolationist for 500 years, right?

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43718730]How is it challenging my views? I didn't really downplay it. I'm saying some facts. Growth from a couple billion to a second digit couple billion is less impressive than HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS.[/QUOTE] Well you do ignore the other differences. Saying that IQ was the reason is fallacious. There are many more variables at play here. [editline]30th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43718755]And Japan was fucking unstable since they viewed themselves as improperly being chained by a foreign culture....You do understand that Japan is extremely xenophobic regarding their country because of the fact that they were isolationist for 500 years, right?[/QUOTE] Yet since the end of the war they have been remarkably stable, considering that one of their parties remained in power for about half a century (despite regular and free elections).

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;43718744]So money makes us different Point proven, you should become a scientist[/QUOTE] Yeah I didn't really say that did I? I said okay, sure. You're posting growth. These people are growing more despite their overall percentage being smaller. ohman. If you're refusing to see the works of a civilization or culture by their accomplishments, I don't think you can grasp the concept that people in different areas, isolated from each other are going to be different.

[QUOTE=kurva;43716985]Do you really think the only physical/biological difference between blacks and whites is the skin color? You're not very bright, are you.[/QUOTE] If you want to rant about this then fuck off and go back to /pol/.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43718730]How is it challenging my views? I didn't really downplay it. I'm saying some facts. Growth from a couple billion to a second digit couple billion is less impressive than HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS.[/QUOTE] I believe it's challenging your views because you seem to have the notion that intelligence is strictly tied to GDP or its growth. Growth from a 1 billion to 10 billion in a decade is pretty impressive for relatively unstable nations that doesn't get much support with names that you haven't heard of. But of course, somehow South Korea's growth is more relevant? And you never explained this either, why did Europe suck so much a long time ago? Is it the "mental difference" you're talking about? [IMG]http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/business/gdp11.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43718758]Well you do ignore the other differences. Saying that IQ was the reason is fallacious. There are many more variables at play here. [editline]30th January 2014[/editline] Yet since the end of the war they have been remarkably stable, considering that one of their parties remained in power for about half a century (despite regular and free elections).[/QUOTE] and they became more stable once transition hit. I'm rooting them on here and praising their accomplishments. I am however saying that during the period of occupation and continual presence, there was a shitton of dissent. [editline]29th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Swebonny;43718823]I believe it's challenging your views because you seem to have the notion that intelligence is strictly tied to GDP or its growth. Growth from a 1 billion to 10 billion in a decade is pretty impressive for relatively unstable nations that doesn't get much support with names that you haven't heard of. But of course, somehow South Korea's growth is more relevant? And you never explained this either, why did Europe suck so much a long time ago? Is it the "mental difference" you're talking about? [IMG]http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/business/gdp11.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] I'll throw in the 'blame the muslims' card. Europe shrunk to about 2/3rds of its size by 1000 because of invasion. That continued till about 1600.

[QUOTE=acds;43718297]I imagine its the same usual agendas, one being "no difference between races lalalala can't hear you" and the other "Aryan strong race war now!". For me its just being on then side of facts (not some peoples interpretation of them), which some people seem to think puts me on the latter (which I'm not). I only really care that people don't hush hush knowledge because it might be coldhearted. If people then interpret that knowledge as "Hitler was right" is their problem, the knowledge itself isn't inherently bad, discriminatory, or hateful, people's interpretations and understandings of it can be. I'm sure someone will come along and call me a Nazi though (which is funny because these stats if anything prove Jews and Asians score higher than Caucasians).[/QUOTE] If you would look at the actual facts, rather than irrelevant bullshit, then you would find that there are larger differences [I]within[/I] races than between them. [editline]29th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43718832]I'll throw in the 'blame the muslims' card. Europe shrunk to about 2/3rds of its size by 1000 because of invasion. That continued till about 1600.[/QUOTE] Medieval Muslim countries were more advanced technologically than their European counterparts.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43718808]Yeah I didn't really say that did I? I said okay, sure. You're posting growth. These people are growing more despite their overall percentage being smaller. ohman. If you're refusing to see the works of a civilization or culture by their accomplishments, I don't think you can grasp the concept that people in different areas, isolated from each other are going to be different.[/QUOTE] You're pretty naive

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;43718888]You're pretty naive[/QUOTE] Sure is ad hominem in here. [editline]30th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=ECrownofFire;43718870] Medieval Muslim countries were more advanced technologically than their European counterparts.[/QUOTE] What does that have to do with anything? He's pointing out that muslim invasions halted Europe's progress for a duration, he didn't imply muslims were inferior subhumans.

[QUOTE=ECrownofFire;43718870]If you would look at the actual facts, rather than irrelevant bullshit, then you would find that there are larger differences [I]within[/I] races than between them. [editline]29th January 2014[/editline] Medieval Muslim countries were more advanced technologically than their European counterparts.[/QUOTE] Which is why they were able to take huge swaths of land. I never said anything about middle easterners being irrelevant or poverty stricken as nations.

[QUOTE=kurva;43718893]Sure is ad hominem in here.[/QUOTE] You still haven't told what are the mental differences and why they are that way, you still haven't explained why we look the same but our skin pigmentation and education makes us different.

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;43718911]You still haven't told what are the mental differences and why they are that way, you still haven't explained why we look the same but our skin pigmentation and education makes us different.[/QUOTE] I have. You are either playing dumb to avoid arguement, or you don't read what's posted in this thread.

and how human history makes us different [editline]30th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=kurva;43718918]I have. You are either playing dumb to avoid arguement, or you don't read what's posted in this thread.[/QUOTE] You showed me an image of IQ statistics, that doesn't prove anything

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;43718911]You still haven't told what are the mental differences and why they are that way, you still haven't explained why we look the same but our skin pigmentation and education makes us different.[/QUOTE] We do not look the same around the globe. Isolation or lack of contact with another race makes it so that each area develops differently. The only reason Vin Diesel has a career is because he's the one who is a supreme mix of both. [editline]29th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Gwoodman;43718919]and how human history makes us different [editline]30th January 2014[/editline] You showed me an image of IQ statistics, that doesn't prove anything[/QUOTE] It proves that these nations have higher IQ's.

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;43718919]and how human history makes us different [editline]30th January 2014[/editline] You showed me an image of IQ statistics, that doesn't prove anything[/QUOTE] Uh, sure thing.

You still didn't answer, why are you avoiding the question?

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43718832]I'll throw in the 'blame the muslims' card. Europe shrunk to about 2/3rds of its size by 1000 because of invasion. That continued till about 1600.[/QUOTE] [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/World_Lead_Production.jpg[/img] [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3e/Mediterranean_shipwrecks.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;43718950]You still didn't answer, why are you avoiding the question?[/QUOTE] I need not argue anymore with someone who doesn't accept IQ statistics as a valid mental/psychological statistics.

I again pull the blame the muslims card. There was less overall trade and presence in the sea going areas of that sea because of the presence of the slave trade in the Mediterranean.

[QUOTE=kurva;43718969]I need not argue anymore with someone who doesn't accept IQ statistics as a valid mental/psychological test.[/QUOTE] IQ statistics doesn't prove a lot because there's a lot more to the human mind than just IQ [editline]30th January 2014[/editline] AND YOU STILL AVOID THE QUESTION.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43718981]I again pull the blame the muslims card. There was less overall trade and presence in the sea going areas of that sea because of the presence of the slave trade in the Mediterranean.[/QUOTE] Trade and lead production had collapsed by the year 600. Not to mention population and GDP per capita.

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;43718997]IQ statistics doesn't prove a lot because there's a lot more to the human mind than just IQ[/QUOTE] It does prove a lot. Your mind is put to test.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43719008]Trade and lead production had collapsed by the year 600. Not to mention population and GDP per capita.[/QUOTE] We can agree on that. Yes. People moved more inland or migration in general, hence less sea trade, more overland. [editline]29th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=kurva;43719023]It does prove a lot. Your mind is put to test.[/QUOTE] Or if you're literate enough to take multiple choice tests.

[QUOTE=kurva;43718893]What does that have to do with anything? He's pointing out that muslim invasions halted Europe's progress for a duration, he didn't imply muslims were inferior subhumans.[/QUOTE] The point is that Europe did more to fuck itself over than anybody else. The entire medieval era was a clusterfuck, really. Everybody fucked each other over. And for fuck's sake, calling you naive is [B]NOT[/B] an ad hominem. People are perfectly able to insult you all they want without involving logical fallacies. An ad hominem is when they say you're naive/idiotic/whatever and therefore you are wrong about this, not the other fucking way around. You can't invoke logical fallacies just to dodge criticism and arguments, and it makes you sound like a pretentious asshole.

[QUOTE=kurva;43719023]It does prove a lot. Your mind is put to test.[/QUOTE] But why? Can you explain why? Why does it put the mind to test, why does it prove anything, why does IQ make us different, do you think IQ alone makes us different, what about feelings and sudden choices we have to make in our daily lives, if IQ is such a big factor why are there Caucasians with a big difference of IQ points? You're oversimplifying something that has been in study for years and still is.

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;43719059]But why? Can you explain why? Why does it put the mind to test, why does it prove anything, why does IQ make us different, do you think IQ alone makes us different, what about feelings and sudden choices we have to make in our daily lives, if IQ is such a big factor why are there Caucasians with a big difference of IQ points? You're oversimplifying something that has been in study for years and still is.[/QUOTE] Because that's what the IQ test does, think about how absurd your question is before asking it.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43718333]Believing that separate races exist is literally the definition of racism.[/QUOTE] Simply acknowledging that races exist for a perfectly natural reason isn't racism. Racism is when you start trying to pinpoint a single race as inferior.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43719030]We can agree on that. Yes. People moved more inland or migration in general, hence less sea trade, more overland.[/QUOTE] The population of Europe fell. [quote]During the period from 150 to 400 the population of the Roman Empire is estimated[by whom?] to have fallen from 70 million to 50 million, a decline of almost 30%. Proximate causes of the population decrease include the Antonine Plague, Plague of Cyprian, and the Crisis of the Third Century. European population probably reached a minimum during the Extreme weather events of 535–536 and the ensuing Plague of Justinian. Estimates of the total population of Europe are speculative, but at the time of Charlemagne it is thought to have been between 25 and 30 million, and of this more than half were in the Carolingian Empire that covered modern France, the Low Countries, western Germany, Austria, Slovenia, northern Italy and part of northern Spain.[/quote] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_demography[/url] Stop. Europe was in decline long before the Arabs came along.

[QUOTE=kurva;43718969]I need not argue anymore with someone who doesn't accept IQ statistics as a valid mental/psychological statistics.[/QUOTE] Considering that many [I]actual psychologists[/I] (i.e. people with an education beyond Wikipedia) dispute IQ testing as a measurement of intelligence, they're not in the wrong here. [editline]29th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Hellsten;43719091]Simply acknowledging that races exist for a perfectly natural reason isn't racism. Racism is when you start trying to pinpoint a single race as inferior.[/QUOTE] Science disagrees with you. There are more differences among races than there are between them. This has been proven with genetic testing as well, before you try to object that it's only "subjective" stuff.