• U.S. Unveils $53 Billion High-Speed Rail Plan
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Train in the OP looks suspiciously similar to the German ICE3: [img_thumb]http://users.skynet.be/dgrr/etranger/photos/db_ice3_Frankfurt%20am%20Main.jpg[/img_thumb] Oh also [highlight]the photo in the OP is a stock photo you dummies[/highlight]
[QUOTE=leach139;27955446]Train in the OP looks suspiciously similar to the German ICE3: [img_thumb]http://users.skynet.be/dgrr/etranger/photos/db_ice3_Frankfurt%20am%20Main.jpg[/img_thumb] Oh also [highlight]the photo in the OP is a stock photo you dummies[/highlight][/QUOTE] I know it's a stock photo, but I'm just saying that a train like the one posted doesn't seem to fit in with the general American design for trains.
[QUOTE=Haxxer;27949030]Calling republicans rejecting it.[/QUOTE] Fox News will call it a communist plot to destroy the US car industry which is doing oh so well.
[QUOTE=Contag;27950514]Keynes, read more. And the debt of the United States isn't that bad. It seems like a fair amount, but that's because the GDP of the US is fucking insanely huge.[/QUOTE] ok please tell me how the fuck spending more money will get me out of debt maybe i should try this with my credit card, if i spend enough keynes said i will become debt free yay
[QUOTE=Mr. Agree;27951218]I like Obama. Coming from the UK, have there actually been any bad words against him? He's actually focusing on making the states an even better place. Hope I can go there some time :unsmith:[/QUOTE] he literally drove the american right wing insane. they have, by-and-large, gone off the deep end since he was elected
[QUOTE=Mr. Agree;27951218]I like Obama. Coming from the UK, have there actually been any bad words against him? He's actually focusing on making the states an even better place. Hope I can go there some time :unsmith:[/QUOTE] You wouldn't believe the things people say about him
[QUOTE=Glaber;27952969]Doubt this would make it any better.[/QUOTE] There were plans for a rail system from Tampa to Orlando a couple years back and it got killed. It would have been kind of useful since my parents have to drive from Tampa to Orlando every day because they have jobs there and I'm pretty sure that it would help considering that gas is rising over three dollars a gallon.
[QUOTE=R1Z3;27948931]I think this will increase the amount of deaths in railroad accidents.[/QUOTE] We should stop building roads they cause more accidents
[QUOTE=Earthen;27956097]Fox News will call it a communist plot to destroy the US car industry which is doing oh so well.[/QUOTE] Actually, the US car industry is on the rebound. High-speed trains, however, are more of a threat to the air industry. Not saying we shouldn't build them, just that they'll force airlines to be more efficient. [editline]9th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;27956269]ok please tell me how the fuck spending more money will get me out of debt maybe i should try this with my credit card, if i spend enough keynes said i will become debt free yay[/QUOTE] There's a difference between investment (what Keynesian economics is all about) and recklessly spending money (what you're talking about).
[QUOTE=yawmwen;27956269]ok please tell me how the fuck spending more money will get me out of debt maybe i should try this with my credit card, if i spend enough keynes said i will become debt free yay[/QUOTE] Learn some economics and how they work. This video should be a good example and is not boring. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL_n9hL3jEY[/media]
[QUOTE=Prismatex;27953165]And to head off the "durr new deal didn't accomplish anything" crowd, I have to cite the Recession of 1937. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recession_of_1937[/url][/QUOTE] In which case peacetime Keynesian economics failed, but wartime Keynesian economics succeeded?
[QUOTE=Contag;27957901]In which case peacetime Keynesian economics failed, but wartime Keynesian economics succeeded?[/QUOTE] You're misinterpreting that. Peacetime Keynesian economics were a resounding success, but when they were scaled back, a recession occurred. When spending was brought back up to pre-1937 recession levels, the economy continued its recovery.
[QUOTE=Prismatex;27957640]Actually, the US car industry is on the rebound. High-speed trains, however, are more of a threat to the air industry. Not saying we shouldn't build them, just that they'll force airlines to be more efficient. [editline]9th February 2011[/editline] There's a difference between investment (what Keynesian economics is all about) and recklessly spending money (what you're talking about).[/QUOTE] Yeah, and there's also a difference between macroeconomics and microeconomics. Consider it this way. You're in a decent amount of debt. You work a shitty job getting $7 an hour, and only am barely able to pay the interest of your debts. You decide to go to University. Whilst you increase your debt a fair bit, in the long term, you will be earning significantly more, and will be able to pay of your debts with ease. [editline]10th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Prismatex;27957940]You're misinterpreting that. Peacetime Keynesian economics were a resounding success, but when they were scaled back, a recession occurred. When spending was brought back up to pre-1937 recession levels, the economy continued its recovery.[/QUOTE] Except the recovery was significantly faster in wartime? I'll concede the point on the recovery, though, and rated informative.
[QUOTE=Prismatex;27957940]You're misinterpreting that. Peacetime Keynesian economics were a resounding success, but when they were scaled back, a recession occurred. When spending was brought back up to pre-1937 recession levels, the economy continued its recovery.[/QUOTE] Not exactly. This is a lot like Germany's autobahn plan that Hjalmar Schacht created. It's a great way to stimulate short term economic growth and to raise employment levels (helping to further combat inflation). It's a shame we don't use the German price stops, minimum wage controls, etc. that they had back then. They were able to raise so much money for their military budget in the first year alone that they weren't even able to spend more than half of it. In short, it always works well in peacetime, regardless of whether there is a recession or not (which, for Germany in 1933, there was a huge recession still on). Schacht's economics are a perfect example of the Keynesian model in action.
Mass transit? YEESSSS!!!!!
[QUOTE=gamefreek76;27950505]I really wouldn't mind one of these going up the west coast.[/QUOTE] We are getting them! but china is building them and helping pay for them for us. and seeing how these contracts are drawn up, I am willing to be china can lowball us and take this contract too. Also the reason we are not using maglev is retarded, it is not that much more expensive.
I'm okay with this. Mostly because I live in Florida, right under Tampa and I could use this shit.
One problem: We have this thing called Congress that exists for the sole purpose of preventing good ideas from coming to fruition.
Would these be used for interstate transit at all, or just within individual states?
I hope there's a rail from LA through Reno through Elko to Salt Lake and splitting down to Las Vegas. That way our local economy will be boosted and our railway will be up again.
I hope they look like the Acela trains. God they look nice, and I hope they replace the Amtrak regional lines with this. God they're slow.
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;27952694][url]http://www.theonion.com/articles/republicans-vote-to-repeal-obamabacked-bill-that-w,19025/[/url][/QUOTE] Obamastroid?! BOO!
Finally.
[QUOTE=Contag;27950514]Keynes, read more. And the debt of the United States isn't that bad. It seems like a fair amount, but that's because the GDP of the US is fucking insanely huge.[/QUOTE] We're 14 Trillion dollars in debt. That's pretty bad.
This is totally inefficient for 75% of the US. We're just too spread out for it to work. I would have to drive to a train station.
[QUOTE=CaptainQuirk;27964953]This is totally inefficient for 75% of the US. We're just too spread out for it to work. I would have to drive to a train station.[/QUOTE] Agreed. It works for places like Japan and Europe because their cities are so close together. The US has hundreds of miles between population centers in some places. I could see it working on the east coast, where the major cities are closer together. But it'd never work for the midwest and west...
[QUOTE=Prismatex;27957640] There's a difference between investment (what Keynesian economics is all about) and recklessly spending money (what you're talking about).[/QUOTE] it would be a good investment too if the government was going to use it to pay back debt there is no indication of that since we have been stacking debt since clinton this is a bad investment because the government is too incompetent to actually use the money correctly [QUOTE=G12-A5;27957884]Learn some economics and how they work. This video should be a good example and is not boring. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL_n9hL3jEY[/media][/QUOTE] i know economics fairly well, your the one who doesnt realize that spending =\= debt removal
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;27964248]We're 14 Trillion dollars in debt. That's pretty bad.[/QUOTE] That's about the same as the GDP, which isn't *too* bad. The UK, by comparison, has a debt as a percentage of GDP of about ~150%.
[QUOTE=Contag;27965395]That's about the same as the GDP, which isn't *too* bad. The UK, by comparison, has a debt as a percentage of GDP of about ~150%.[/QUOTE] the us government also runs on a lot lower tax rate
The US builds something useful and awesome ? [editline]10th February 2011[/editline] Holy shit
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