Girl who asked for more time to play found shot dead minutes later.
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[QUOTE=viper shtf;39213132]Can I do the shooting? I've killed animals before, and that's what we're dealing with here.[/QUOTE]
Dehumanizing people for a crime is a bad idea.
[QUOTE=McCarthy;39213094]You don't understand how killing the guy could make anything better, Which to me implied you don't support capital punishment, Which is a right wing ideal, Therefore you are clearly left wing.[/QUOTE]
please go fish hunting with me jethro i brought my shotgun and dynamite
we can wear matching flannel shirts and trucker hats if you really want to
[QUOTE=Bazkip;39213308]He's saying the perpetrator shouldn't be executed with a firearm, and that's it. That does not mean they shouldn't be pursued, prosecuted and punished for their actions.
Basically, no revenge killing.[/QUOTE]
Regardless, the murderers in this case deserve to die. They saw no problem with killing an innocent child to toy with the emotions of some other family member. They forfeit their right to be around other humans.
[QUOTE=McCarthy;39213094]You don't understand how killing the guy could make anything better, Which to me implied you don't support capital punishment, Which is a right wing ideal, Therefore you are clearly left wing.[/QUOTE]
Name fits.
[editline]14th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Bletotum;39213404]Regardless, the murderers in this case deserve to die. They saw no problem with killing an innocent child to toy with the emotions of some other family member. They forfeit their right to be around other humans.[/QUOTE]
Why would you give them an easier punishment?
[QUOTE=Bletotum;39213404]Regardless, the murderers in this case deserve to die. They saw no problem with killing an innocent child to toy with the emotions of some other family member. They forfeit their right to be around other humans.[/QUOTE]
so where exactly do you draw this arbitrary line where somebody immediately deserves to die?
[QUOTE=Bletotum;39213404]Regardless, the murderers in this case deserve to die. They saw no problem with killing an innocent child to toy with the emotions of some other family member. They forfeit their right to be around other humans.[/QUOTE]
Capital punishment is different from what laserguided was saying
[QUOTE=Bazkip;39213465]Capital punishment is different from what laserguided was saying[/QUOTE]
You took it literally. I don't want him to be tortured, just punished to hell and back.
[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39213154][B]Not really news worthy[/B], people get shot every day, especially in Jamaica.[/QUOTE]
[URL]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1235164&highlight=[/URL]
[QUOTE=SataniX;39213408]
Why would you give them an easier punishment?[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure what you are asking me.
[editline]14th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Cone;39213425]so where exactly do you draw this arbitrary line where somebody immediately deserves to die?[/QUOTE]
"They saw no problem with killing an innocent child"
did you only read the first sentence or are you incapable of understanding what you read
[QUOTE=Bletotum;39213690]"They saw no problem with killing an innocent child"
did you only read the first sentence or are you incapable of understanding what you read[/QUOTE]
I wasn't literally asking "where do you draw the line", the emphasis was on "where do you draw this ARBITRARY line"
you still haven't shown me why this line is not arbitrary
[QUOTE=Cone;39213828]I wasn't literally asking "where do you draw the line", the emphasis was on "where do you draw this ARBITRARY line"
you still haven't shown me why this line is not arbitrary[/QUOTE]
Then you definitely used the wrong phrasing. How about asking what you mean to?
Arbitrary
Adjective
1. Based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.
My reason is that the killers do not respect the rights of others, seeking a selfish and pointless gain over the lives at stake. Whoever did this believes that there is no problem with killing innocent individuals if it gets a threat across. These people are dangerously self centered, and cannot be let to do something like this again, which judging by this described lack of reason, is very likely.
[QUOTE=viper shtf;39213132]Can I do the shooting? I've killed animals before, and that's what we're dealing with here.[/QUOTE]
Okay there Bundy...
Yikes
[QUOTE=Bletotum;39213856]My reason is that the killers do not respect the rights of others, seeking a selfish and pointless gain over the lives at stake. Whoever did this believes that there is no problem with killing innocent individuals if it gets a threat across. These people are dangerously self centered, and cannot be let to do something like this again, which judging by this described lack of reason, is very likely.[/QUOTE]
Any nation which claims to uphold rights of its citizens cannot implement capital punishment under any sense without contradicting their citizens' right to life. Further, it imbues the judicial branch of a country with an absolute power which should not be there in the first place. You cannot guarantee 100% of the time the punishment metered is given to the right person and therefore are liable to eventually murder your own innocent civilians. Whatever the crime, execution is not the solution
[QUOTE=bunnyspy1;39212767]an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind[/QUOTE]
That's so fucking stupid, You shouldn't be 'taking eyes' in the first place.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;39213941]Any nation which claims to uphold rights of its citizens cannot implement capital punishment under any sense without contradicting their citizens' right to life. Further, it imbues the judicial branch of a country with an absolute power which should not be there in the first place. You cannot guarantee 100% of the time the punishment metered is given to the right person and therefore are liable to eventually murder your own innocent civilians. Whatever the crime, execution is not the solution[/QUOTE]
I'm not referring to the active practice on a population's crime, but the concept of it, in an imaginary world where all the law apprehends the right person, if any.
The death penalty does not contradict the right to life if that right is bound by reasonable rules. By your words, jail contradicts the right to freedom.
[QUOTE=bunnyspy1;39212767]an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind[/QUOTE]
No, it makes the world have no depth perception.
[QUOTE=Bletotum;39214196]I'm not referring to the active practice on a population's crime, but the concept of it, in an imaginary world where all the law apprehends the right person, if any.[/QUOTE]
Well, in a world where the law is infallible and always gets their man, why would execution be necessary to begin with? As a concept it appeals to most people's more pragmatic side, but in a world where pragmatism is unnecessary, the concept becomes flawed - the whole thing more or less just falls apart as soon as you're capable of taking another option.
[QUOTE=Bletotum;39214196]The death penalty does not contradict the right to life if that right is bound by reasonable rules. By your words, jail contradicts the right to freedom.[/QUOTE]
But putting someone in jail is necessary to stop them from breaking the law again. Killing them is not. There is a very fine distinction to be made here.
[QUOTE=bunnyspy1;39212767]an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind[/QUOTE]
Yeah I'd see you telling that if this was your daughter.
Just read this: [url]http://blog.danilchenko.net/deardiary.php?itemid=35[/url]
[QUOTE=Bletotum;39214196]The death penalty does not contradict the right to life if that right is bound by reasonable rules. By your words, jail contradicts the right to freedom.[/QUOTE]
The only reasonable rules, ones which aren't inherently self-contradictory, for the right to life is it being absolutely, inalienably guaranteed for everyone and anyone. A right to life doesn't stay a right to life when you include provisions for acceptable contraventions of that right since you can't regain life after death. Freedom is utterly irrelevant to this right to life and how capital punishment infringes upon it, which in any sense is the only right I invoked.
Even imagining a hypothetical world with a 100% perfect judicial system capital punishment is still completely morally bankrupt.
So was the purpose of this headline to guilt trip the mother as much as possible?
[QUOTE=Bazkip;39213308]He's saying the perpetrator shouldn't be executed with a firearm, and that's it. That does not mean they shouldn't be pursued, prosecuted and punished for their actions.
Basically, no revenge killing.[/QUOTE]
Dunno, execution by sledgehammers sounds about right.
The title for this thread makes it seem like she was shot BECAUSE she asked for more time to play.
Misleading
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Well it doesn't but it strangely highlights the fact that she wanted more time to play.
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Actually ignore me i suppose it was put there to emphasise that if she hadn't asked for more time she would have been inside and safe.
Execution by chainsaw-firing sledgehammer anthrax mortars
My opinion on the whole "omg he should diiiee" thing:
Death is an escape. Death is a release.
He should not find an escape or a release, he should sit in a cell and rot.
Revenge and justice is best served painfully and slowly.
Revenge is not de answer
[QUOTE=SuperDuperScoot;39215708]My opinion on the whole "omg he should diiiee" thing:
Death is an escape. Death is a release.
He should not find an escape or a release, he should sit in a cell and rot.
Revenge and justice is best served painfully and slowly.[/QUOTE]
That's bullcrap, death is the thing humans fear the most.
And even then it's unfair for the little girl.
[QUOTE=SuperDuperScoot;39215708]My opinion on the whole "omg he should diiiee" thing:
Death is an escape. Death is a release.
He should not find an escape or a release, he should sit in a cell and rot.
Revenge and justice is best served painfully and slowly.[/QUOTE]
Yeah so working class people can work their entire life paying taxes to feed those bastards? Yeah no thanks.
Boom headshot!
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;39215876]That's bullcrap, death is the thing humans fear the most.
And even then it's unfair for the little girl.[/QUOTE]
Until our system is 100% fair then we should not consider killing as a matter of fairness. Even if you were to assume everyone in prison is guilty and all legal proceedings are equally judged regardless of race, wealth, education, etc. In order to make it a matter of fairness you have to quantify life, which is really hard to do. Is every life equal? Does every action that takes life deserve the same punishment? Can a killing ever be justified? If so who decides what is justified? If not what about police officers and the military? What if a person kills two people? Do we enact blood law and claim a member of his family?
Capital punishment is not a check yes or no issue, life is a bigger issue than that.
[QUOTE=Djessey;39216278]Yeah so working class people can work their entire life paying taxes to feed those bastards? Yeah no thanks.[/QUOTE]
Hey we use our prisoners as legal slave labor anyway, they work for nothing to produce products for our government at competitive national levels. So we get some monetary benefit. Plus the cost of putting someone to death is currently more than life imprisonment.
[QUOTE=SuperDuperScoot;39215708]My opinion on the whole "omg he should diiiee" thing:
Death is an escape. Death is a release.
He should not find an escape or a release, he should sit in a cell and rot.
Revenge and justice is best served painfully and slowly.[/QUOTE]
that would just be a complete and utter money sink, I don't want anybody else to die but spending an inordinate amount of money just for a totally subjective (and, need I say, arbitrary) idea of revenge to come about is the very epitome of wastefulness
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