• Changes in Minecraft EULA prevent donator perks and features
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[QUOTE=RedStar;45015574]related (long image) [t]http://i.imgur.com/sRMigAe.png[/t][/QUOTE] oh shit, it really says i payed 10000.00. Im so fucked Edit: im crying. we are gonna be poor. oh fuck oh fuck i need to email EpicPrisonMC and demand a refund
You could always tell people that if they donate it's to help keep the server up but as a treat for helping the server you get some shit which isn't breaking EULA
I wonder if anyone who agrees with this tried putting forth effort in a custom server. Do it and then see what it's like to keep it alive without support.
I usually play on Hypixel's server, the benefits don't give players any gamebreaking advantage - as someone who's played as both a non-VIP and a VIP.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;45015922]I wonder if anyone who agrees with this tried putting forth effort in a custom server. Do it and then see what it's like to keep it alive without support.[/QUOTE] Why would anyone even want to keep 24/7 xxXX_EPIC_MINECRACT_24/7_XXxx [VIP+] server? I mean normal people just host own server when ever they want to play with group of friends.
Valve, add this to TF2
This is good, very good. "You can charge for hosting servers, but not for gameplay features." [url]https://twitter.com/notch/status/474869769301409792[/url] I don't know why everyone is so butthurt about something that doesn't apply to them unless they like to be scammed out of money/scamming others.
[QUOTE=Combine 177;45015945]Why would anyone even want to keep 24/7 xxXX_EPIC_MINECRACT_24/7_XXxx [VIP+] server? I mean normal people just host own server when ever they want to play with group of friends.[/QUOTE] Because all servers are like that. [editline]6th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=vexx21322;45015978]This is good, very good. "You can charge for hosting servers, but not for gameplay features." [url]https://twitter.com/notch/status/474869769301409792[/url] I don't know why everyone is so butthurt about something that doesn't apply to them unless they like to be scammed out of money/scamming others.[/QUOTE] Because it's rarely used for scamming.
I actually agree with this change. If someone is donating it should be for keeping a server running and not because they get a stack of diamonds. You bought Minecraft already and you shouldn't need to buy it again in smaller doses of content. This change just enforces that ideology and while it may seem restrictive it also streamlines that idea and forces servers to actually be innovative and interesting if they want to garner a community.
[QUOTE=DeandreT;45016046]I actually agree with this change. If someone is donating it should be for keeping a server running and not because they get a stack of diamonds. You bought Minecraft already and you shouldn't need to buy it again in smaller doses of content. This change just enforces that ideology and while it may seem restrictive it also streamlines that idea and forces servers to actually be innovative and interesting if they want to garner a community.[/QUOTE] No server is going to be innovative or interesting if they can't afford to keep it up. What everyone doesn't seem to understand that not all servers are shitlers and have stupid p2w mechanics-- in fact most don't and for those that do, don't play on it simple as that. If you get perks that don't affect gameplay (at least much) or give some huge bonus why should you stop that? It gives people more reasons to donate.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;45016016]Because all servers are like that. [editline]6th June 2014[/editline] Because it's rarely used for scamming.[/QUOTE] Bull. Have you seen those fucking hunger games servers? They all have some sort of P2W shit with them. I understand maybe having donations for the server hosting, but most of the time, they get extra money and spend it on their selves and not improving their server. That is illegal, you are donating to the server, not to the pockets of its admins.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;45016064]No server is going to be innovative or interesting if they can't afford to keep it up. What everyone doesn't seem to understand that not all servers are shitlers and have stupid p2w mechanics-- in fact most don't and for those that do, don't play on it simple as that. If you get perks that don't affect gameplay (at least much) or give some huge bonus why should you stop that? It gives people more reasons to donate.[/QUOTE] Except servers like Hypixel will not be affected by this change, besides maybe having more players joining.
[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;45016073]Bull. Have you seen those fucking hunger games servers? They all have some sort of P2W shit with them. I understand maybe having donations for the server hosting, but most of the time, they get extra money and spend it on their selves and not improving their server. That is illegal, you are donating to the server, not to the pockets of its admins.[/QUOTE] It's not illegal in any way. If people want to make their server a source of income then who should stop them? If the players enjoy it enough to keep playing on it, why stop them? This will stop EVERY server if they give something as small as a donator title. This leaves the bad servers to eventually die and the good servers get to thrive
Can they retroactivly change the EULA? Say that i only play modded 1.6.3(or whatever) like everyone else because mojang never comes with any fucking mod support. Does this even apply? Because you haven't agreed to any eula.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;45016085]It's not illegal in any way. If people want to make their server a source of income then who should stop them? If the players enjoy it enough to keep playing on it, why stop them? This will stop EVERY server if they give something as small as a donator title. This leaves the bad servers to eventually die and the good servers get to thrive[/QUOTE] Since its always advertising as donations, and most likely they never report it, meaning they are evading tax.
[QUOTE=Orki;45016091]Can they retroactivly change the EULA? Say that i only play modded 1.6.3(or whatever) like everyone else because mojang never comes with any fucking mod support. Does this even apply? Because you haven't agreed to any eula.[/QUOTE] Title is misleading; nothing has been changed in the EULA. They are just trying to enforce it now.
While it sounds good, in practice it isn't going to work, I doubt they're actually willing to go to court for every single server that doesn't comply.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;45016064]No server is going to be innovative or interesting if they can't afford to keep it up. What everyone doesn't seem to understand that not all servers are shitlers and have stupid p2w mechanics-- in fact most don't and for those that do, don't play on it simple as that. If you get perks that don't affect gameplay (at least much) or give some huge bonus why should you stop that? It gives people more reasons to donate.[/QUOTE] Because they're profiting off of something they didn't necessarily create. Youtubers are creating free entertainment. Modders are creating free entertainment. By hosting a server and selling ingame items you're not creating anything and by favoring players who buy into that you're just selling Minecraft back to people who already bought it. How about this for a reason to donate: You enjoy the server and want it to exist.
[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;45016107]Since its always advertising as donations, and most likely they never report it, meaning they are evading tax.[/QUOTE] I don't think notch is doing this to stop tax evasion to be quite honest.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45016169]I don't think notch cares about tax evasion to be quite honest.[/QUOTE] Knowing how stupid some governments are about video games and how they work, they probably got contacted about this before.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;45015460]Donation rewards isn't tax evasion-- donations are usually going to be taxed anyway unless someone manages to illegally get a no tax thing from the government. They have no reason to limit what server owners do if they need a source of income for what they do. You have no right to do this Mojang and people will simply ignore the EULA if you do it.[/QUOTE] Donation for a reward can be seen as tax evasion though. You donate in order to receive something. You're basically buying in all but name.
[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;45016185]Knowing how stupid some governments are about video games and how they work, they probably got contacted about this before.[/QUOTE] It's possible but not likely. For starters there are tons of other video games that offer donator type perks, and none of them are doing anything. If governments really cared you'd likely see a lot of video game companies enforcing this around the same time, as they all probably would've been contacted at the same time. Also, there are larger ways to evade tax than taking a few dollars you made for managing a server, this is way too small time. Saying "Notch is trying to stop tax evasion" is pretty silly.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;45016188]Donation for a reward can be seen as tax evasion though. You donate in order to receive something. You're basically buying in all but name.[/QUOTE] If there isn't any profit, I am pretty sure it does fall under donation still but most of the time, there is extra money, and they use it for other shit than the server. I know this since I been part of a couple bigger minecraft communities. Granted, a few years ago, but I know it didn't change in that time. [editline]6th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45016210]It's possible but not likely. For starters there are tons of other video games that offer donator type perks, and none of them are doing anything. If governments really cared you'd likely see a lot of video game companies enforcing this around the same time, as they all probably would've been contacted at the same time. Also, there are larger ways to evade tax than taking a few dollars you made for managing a server, this is way too small time.[/QUOTE] I have been on servers that get thousands a month extra, all of them Hunger game servers that cost get kits.
What Mojang is trying to do is not having people pay for things that the core game offers (diamonds, etc.) to only make a profit. I fully agree with this, people shouldn't need to pay for things they can get inside the game through normal means.
If your server is good enough on its own to actually be profitable then you should do the community a favor and put that money back into the server. People donated because they want to play there. That's great that you can be a Minecraft-made hundredaire, but that doesn't help your server(s) grow at all. Running a good server is just a hobby that pays for itself. Trying to make a business out of anything like that is generally going to lead to dangerous legal territory.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45016210] Saying "Notch is trying to stop tax evasion" is pretty silly.[/QUOTE] Not saying he is, but it is something that happens. Not saying the server admins are doing it with that in mind. And as jeb said, they been contacted by kids parents, and parents really don't know this shit most of the time, they don't want to be sued by some kids parents, of course mojang would win or not even go to court, but it still cost in legal fees.
I'd like to see some of you explain to your tax office that giving people perks and additional features in exchange for "donations" isn't technically a sales contract. :v:
[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;45016073]Bull. Have you seen those fucking hunger games servers? They all have some sort of P2W shit with them. I understand maybe having donations for the server hosting, but most of the time, they get extra money and spend it on their selves and not improving their server. That is illegal, you are donating to the server, not to the pockets of its admins.[/QUOTE] It's not really illegal, they have no obligation to do anything with the money you gave them...
[QUOTE=geel9;45016592]It's not really illegal, they have no obligation to do anything with the money you gave them...[/QUOTE] idk how it is now, back when I still played on servers that had donation features, most of them claimed that you donate to help run the server. While not really illegal, it is ridiculously misleading if they then spend most of that money on themselves rather than server improvement.
With all this does anybody actually believe that mojang would even go after these elitist servers, I mean this is really just going to drive those big servers out, but new ones will come in and choose to go unlisted where a donation to the admin directly gets you the address. Its just going to splinter the community and drive things underground
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