Changes in Minecraft EULA prevent donator perks and features
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To be fair some of those servers are making a ton of cash beyond just keeping the server running. One of my friends is suppose to be having a job interview soon with some big megaserver. If he gets the job they would be paying him $2500 dollars every two weeks to do redstone for them.
[QUOTE=Rich209;45019104]to do redstone for them.[/QUOTE]
What does that mean in this context?
Now put in a clause that says you can't copyright mods so all the kiddos stop bitching over every single modpack that doesn't suck the mod author's dicks first.
Hell, ban monetizing mods too. I'm tired of those stupid adf.ly links. If the joy of making a mod (and maybe having a donate button) isn't enough motivation to keep modding, then you're just contributing to Minecraft's utterly toxic community.
[QUOTE=supersnail11;45019111]What does that mean in this context?[/QUOTE]
It simply means that some severs are running purely as a business model. To make money.
Why do I have a feeling that the fact that people profit beyond server costs via "donations" with cracked MMO Private servers has something to do with this decision?
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45018893]EVE does exactly this. Essentially, you can pay money for ingame money, referred to as "plexing."
Nobody cares because some people have stable jobs and don't want to farm items ingame to have fun.[/QUOTE]
except it's not a third party selling the in game money, its the developers themselves
the difference is servers are selling in game items that [B]anyone can get[/B] and could easily join other servers in a way that isn't intended at all. for Eve, its intended, but this way? no, that's not how it should work at all.
Honestly, servers in general, big ones, sort of have to rely on donation money to help foot the bill on the servers. Due to where you live it might be very difficult to get a job which can help pay for one. I'm lucky my job at staples i'm being given 28 hours a week. I say this because last month I gave johnny guitar 100 dollars to foot the server bill due to not enough donation money.
Offering "X" for being given "Y" is in general a very common thing. You just need to do the right thing in this case and offer 'cosmetic' items instead of 'gameplay' altering items.
[QUOTE=J!NX;45019226]except it's not a third party selling the in game money, its the developers themselves[/QUOTE]
The user experience is the same though. You're paying for ingame things.
I would argue that there is nothing inherently wrong with charging for items ingame.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45019238]The user experience is the same though. You're paying for ingame things.
I would argue that there is nothing inherently wrong with charging for items ingame.[/QUOTE]
there isn't anything wrong when its cosmetics like TF2 but the items in minecraft aren't only not cosmetic, but stronger, making it pay 2 win, and not only that, but pay 2 win that isn't [I]by design[/I] just for some "Exclusive VIP item" that isn't exclusive at all
and the experiance isn't the same when you can get the shit free otherwise.
the entire point is to scam children that don't give a damn about their parents CC.
[editline]6th June 2014[/editline]
sure if it was specialized custom cosmetics items or titles that's different but of all things, vanilla items?
Everyone screaming about tax evasion should shut up and learn how tax works
They could try making hosting not so expensive instead by say - making an empty server not eat 2GB of RAM
[QUOTE=nomad1;45019236]Honestly, servers in general, big ones, sort of have to rely on donation money to help foot the bill on the servers. Due to where you live it might be very difficult to get a job which can help pay for one. I'm lucky my job at staples i'm being given 28 hours a week. I say this because last month I gave johnny guitar 100 dollars to foot the server bill due to not enough donation money.
Offering "X" for being given "Y" is in general a very common thing. You just need to do the right thing in this case and offer 'cosmetic' items instead of 'gameplay' altering items.[/QUOTE]
I think the problem is that some of these servers are literally running like businesses. They are donations only in name They are, in all actuality, products that are being sold. The problem there is that calling it a donation has certain tax implications, and the whole "this isn't your IP thing"
It's hard to understand unless you see the numbers involved, and much like F2P and P2W facebook games, it's mostly a small group of people doing most of the "donating" When you have 200 players donating an average of $12 a month, I can see why they would be concerned. The biggest thing though, IMO, is the relatively high ratio of cases where kids are using their parents credit cards without permission [URL="http://kotaku.com/10-year-old-faces-felony-after-cops-say-he-spent-800-o-1462327345"]sometimes with devastating consequences for everyone involved.[/URL] (compared to games like gmod or EVE)
[sp] and yes I know that story isn't about server donation, but it still adds to my point about kids using their parents credit cards fro this game[/sp]
If I had to guess, I would say that they will literally go through the biggest and worst(in this context) servers and send them mean letters until they change what they are doing. I can't see them going around and shutting down every 20 player server that offers a custom title and some extra command features for supporting the server, but I can definitely see them picking out the most abusive ones and giving them a good hard swat on the ass with a lawyer. At they very least these guys need to give more information about what the money is going to. As far as I'm concerned if they spend it on anything but server needs, they are morally wrong, and possibly even criminal in some cases.
Reminds me of when I had a friend who kept cheating on a MC server, He fucking brought an UNBAN 4 times. They are 25 quid each.
They were three week bans.
[QUOTE=windows098;45019427]Reminds me of when I had a friend who kept cheating on a MC server, He fucking brought an UNBAN 4 times. They are 25 quid each.
They were three week bans.[/QUOTE]
What a little brat :v:
also paid unban
oh my god that is a genius scam, I should make a minecraft server now
10$ VIP diamond set, 8$ for gold
25$ for an unban
35$ for admin rights
custom diamond armor 100$
[editline]6th June 2014[/editline]
and you see, just that list looks ridiculous, this is why paid diamond armor is for dumb people
Its your server. Do whatever the fuck you want with it and if someone wants to pay for items, let them. This will backlash and cause a drop in servers. I use all of the funds that I get from players to pay for my Gmod servers so if that ever went, I'd be fucked. If you want a server where you can play without paying for items, find another server or simply make your own. For fucks sake they even have single player so if want to build shit, do it there.
[QUOTE=rbreslow;45018846]Now if only Garry could change the EULA for Garry's Mod and Rust...[/QUOTE]
Thing is in Gmod servers where you pay for things is that (most times) the things you pay for are actually coded by the people that run the server. Unlike MC servers where you can literally just pay for diamond armor with every enchantment on.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;45019116]Now put in a clause that says you can't copyright mods so all the kiddos stop bitching over every single modpack that doesn't suck the mod author's dicks first.
Hell, ban monetizing mods too. I'm tired of those stupid adf.ly links. If the joy of making a mod (and maybe having a donate button) isn't enough motivation to keep modding, then you're just contributing to Minecraft's utterly toxic community.[/QUOTE]
How did that whole cancerous adfly mess even start?
[QUOTE=axelord157;45019566]How did that whole cancerous adfly mess even start?[/QUOTE]
Developers want to be rewarded for what they've made and don't understand how actual donations work.
[QUOTE=gk99;45018959]Having your house torn down by some fucktard who payed $10 for a superpickaxe which removes a sphere of blocks at a time is amazingly fun. ~Innovative and interesting~[/QUOTE]
Why are you people even thinking about playing on servers like this?
I don't even pretend to understand it. There's so many damn Minecraft servers out there, and plenty of good ones at that.
I just think it's a considerably worse issue the fact that you're not even allowed to sell features of your own making. It's a great big middle finger to the modders of minecraft as well, as they're often paid for their work by server owners who're looking to charge people for new features.
Whether an item be vanilla, pay to win based, or a completely new gamemode, Erik is saying is irrelevant. It doesn't matter what it is, even if it's just a donator title, you're not allowed profit from it.
Some people in this thread have said that if the joy of making a mod isn't in making it, then don't make it. But Valve have pretty solidly shown, and talked about in the Steam Dev Days that offering payment for User-Generated content is the reason they kept the TF2 Workshop going. After they were offering money for content, the quality of the content went up... massively.
Mojang is now saying that even non-direct revenue streams for mods are now illegal.
I haven't played vanilla minecraft in years, mods are the reason it's interesting now. I don't particularly understand what Mojang have against user-generated content, we were promised an SDK and that's nowhere to be found but surely we all must realise that this kind of stance, that modding is bad, is a bad thing for any game.
Charging for vanilla items is silly and stupid, but it's also a minority. Servers just don't get popular if all they are is a vanillla server but they charge for already existing content, when there's vanilla servers that don't do this. Mojang however is indiscriminate, charging for any form of gameplay is now illegal, doesn't matter if it's clever, balanced, modded, cosmetic, or buying diamonds, they don't want anyone else making money for their efforts, only them.
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people who actually fall for this are extremely stupid and are the types to fall for email scams
the people who made this
[B]genius[/B]
[editline]6th June 2014[/editline]
WGfuzzion
Donated 235.50 USD this month.
^ Incredibly Dumb ^
the amount they're asking for is far beyond what it takes to run a server surely
oh god what the hell remove it from the internet quick
For minecraft this makes a lot of sense. Some servers are so money hungry you can't build anything or have limited blocks to even build on creative or survival servers unless you pay up, sometimes monthly.
This is disgusting that Mojang are policing private servers.
[QUOTE=J!NX;45020627]
the amount they're asking for is far beyond what it takes to run a server surely[/QUOTE]
servers capable of thousands of players cost between $80-$200
anyone saying their minecraft server costs thousands a month is full of bullshit and is 100% using donation money for themselves
[QUOTE=HOUSE MASTER;45021019]servers capable of thousands of players cost between $80-$200
anyone saying their minecraft server costs thousands a month is full of bullshit and is 100% using donation money for themselves[/QUOTE]
And bear in mind this is Hause talking about 2b2t, a server infamous for people deliberately trying to shit on the server with lag machines, and a world size approaching a terrabyte.
Your typical server for you and 5-10 friends should not be costing more than 20 dollars a month to host. Even with a lot of mods.
[QUOTE=HOUSE MASTER;45021019]servers capable of thousands of players cost between $80-$200
anyone saying their minecraft server costs thousands a month is full of bullshit and is 100% using donation money for themselves[/QUOTE]
hell, servers capable of running 50 players costs $80-200
instead of policing the source of the servers' life they should make the game cheaper to host-- eg spend time making it efficient
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[QUOTE=HOUSE MASTER;45021019]servers capable of thousands of players cost between $80-$200
anyone saying their minecraft server costs thousands a month is full of bullshit and is 100% using donation money for themselves[/QUOTE]
everyone knows you steal donation money from 2b2t and use it to pay for your bases that you don't build with me
[QUOTE=frozensoda;45019305]I think the problem is that some of these servers are literally running like businesses. They are donations only in name They are, in all actuality, products that are being sold. The problem there is that calling it a donation has certain tax implications, and the whole "this isn't your IP thing"
It's hard to understand unless you see the numbers involved, and much like F2P and P2W facebook games, it's mostly a small group of people doing most of the "donating" When you have 200 players donating an average of $12 a month, I can see why they would be concerned. The biggest thing though, IMO, is the relatively high ratio of cases where kids are using their parents credit cards without permission [URL="http://kotaku.com/10-year-old-faces-felony-after-cops-say-he-spent-800-o-1462327345"]sometimes with devastating consequences for everyone involved.[/URL] (compared to games like gmod or EVE)
[sp] and yes I know that story isn't about server donation, but it still adds to my point about kids using their parents credit cards fro this game[/sp]
If I had to guess, I would say that they will literally go through the biggest and worst(in this context) servers and send them mean letters until they change what they are doing. I can't see them going around and shutting down every 20 player server that offers a custom title and some extra command features for supporting the server, but I can definitely see them picking out the most abusive ones and giving them a good hard swat on the ass with a lawyer. At they very least these guys need to give more information about what the money is going to. As far as I'm concerned if they spend it on anything but server needs, they are morally wrong, and possibly even criminal in some cases.[/QUOTE]
Unless the buisness is a non-profit organization they have to report donations as income, there really isn't tax implications by calling them donations.
There is no tax evasion thats possible by calling it donations.
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