Changes in Minecraft EULA prevent donator perks and features
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[QUOTE=Jookia;45020899]This is disgusting that Mojang are policing private servers.[/QUOTE]
Many companies won't even let you host your own server (like every MMO).
[editline]6th June 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Valnar;45021211]Unless the buisness is a non-profit organization they have to report donations as income, there really isn't tax implications by calling them donations.
There is no tax evasion thats possible by calling it donations.[/QUOTE]
But most of these servers aren't run by companies; they're run by individuals. And you don't have to report gifts of < $14,000 on your taxes.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;45016085]It's not illegal in any way. [/QUOTE]
I think I'll trust Mojang's lawyers over some random person on an Internet forum for this one
[QUOTE=axelord157;45019566]How did that whole cancerous adfly mess even start?[/QUOTE]
Young children discovered the internet and learned java
[QUOTE=supersnail11;45021414]Many companies won't even let you host your own server (like every MMO).[/QUOTE]
That doesn't make this less bad.
[QUOTE=Jookia;45021477]That doesn't make this less bad.[/QUOTE]
Why is it disgusting that Mojang are preventing people from profiting off of something they didn't make?
[QUOTE=supersnail11;45021495]Why is it disgusting that Mojang are preventing people from profiting off of something they didn't make?[/QUOTE]
Because you're missing the point. The people most heavily affected by this are things they made, not things mojang made.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;45021762]Because you're missing the point. The people most heavily affected by this are things they made, not things mojang made.[/QUOTE]
The people most heavily affected by this are those who run huge servers as a business, and I think that's entirely the wrong reason to be running a game server.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;45021762]Because you're missing the point. The people most heavily affected by this are things they made, not things mojang made.[/QUOTE]
Except the vast majority of what makes up the big servers is software developed by other people who have no relationship to the servers affected. The amount of effort put forward by the staff of a server is a small pittance to the amount of man hours put into developing the software that makes up the backend, yet they don't make much in terms of money given their efforts and I don't hear them complaining about it.
I'm not into Minecraft, but as an outside observer I think Mojang has a real good point about not standing by and watching as Minecraft players are expected to pay anyone except Mojang when they are playing Minecraft.
That's just not good business. When people pay for something they start having expectations, and when those expectations aren't met who gets the blame? The producer of the game, not the people running the servers. And it's fair because Mojang allowed the servers to operate this way.
So I see this as Mojang saying "We're no longer going to take the fall for issues players may have with server operators they have paid". It's how I would do it, if I'm going to have to deal with customers' problems, it'll be with customers who have paid me and me only.
i don't think people understand what donating is
donating is giving money out of charity, not because you want a certain perk having 999 diamonds and stuff
it's like donating blood and complaining you don't get anything in return
Oh boy my little brother payed a lot for in game donations and such on multiple servers... Possibly spent 200 or 300 $ total... Yeah its fucking insane, I mean if it was something little alright but that's insane. I have seen the prices for the vips and such its really insane for a "kids" game, yes there are A LOT of kids on these servers so expect memes everywhere out the ass. Glad these are being taking away also told my little brother about it he doesn't believe it.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;45022192]it's like donating blood and complaining you don't get anything in return[/QUOTE]
I get snacks.
Almost a shame garry doesn't do the same to shut down those servers which state, "Donate to become an admin!"
Quite a lot of these gmod servers prey upon underteen children with such advertisements. sickening.
[QUOTE=lulzlalz;45022675]Almost a shame garry doesn't do the same to shut down those servers which state, "Donate to become an admin!"[/QUOTE]
That's how these servers exist in the first place.
I used to help run a CS:S server, and it's really easy to get people to donate if they get basic things like moderator privileges.
[QUOTE=cloudcakes30;45021163]:suicide:[/QUOTE]
What the hell is the "Cinema" that's even referring to?
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45022685]That's how these servers exist in the first place.[/QUOTE]
I just subscribe to the idea that servers shouldn't be ran as a for-profit business venture.
Generally it ruins the entire experience, having people with absurd gameplay advantages simply because they paid for them.
Sassilization had this sort of problem as well, with their RTS gamemode.
[QUOTE=supersnail11;45021495]Why is it disgusting that Mojang are preventing people from profiting off of something they didn't make?[/QUOTE]
They're not selling Minecraft, they're USING Minecraft. Mojang doesn't own the server's content or experience or social clique, only Minecraft. Imposing limits like these is pretty much policing people's own servers and telling them what they can and can't do on their servers.
Imagine if Garry did this with Gmod.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45022685]That's how these servers exist in the first place.
I used to help run a CS:S server, and it's really easy to get people to donate if they get basic things like moderator privileges.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't call moderator privileges "basic".
I could understand maybe charging people to download your texture mod packs and other similar things off your site or having a donation button. But asking people to pay for features like name prefixes , mod commands like fly is just fucking insane. And the people trying to charge for that should feel terrible.
Its just as bad as those mobile games that charge ridiculous amount for micro transactions to try get money from kids that use their parents Ipads.
Although I do have to agree that selling game features isn't good, how are servers going to stay up now? Ads?
[QUOTE=BlueAndGray;45023230]Although I do have to agree that selling game features isn't good, how are servers going to stay up now? Ads?[/QUOTE]
servers aren't exactly the most expensive stuff out there though. any job, even minimum wage, will most likely get you enough cash to pay the monthly bill for it without problems.
[QUOTE=Jookia;45022756]They're not selling Minecraft, they're USING Minecraft. Mojang doesn't own the server's content or experience or social clique, only Minecraft. Imposing limits like these is pretty much policing people's own servers and telling them what they can and can't do on their servers.[/QUOTE]
Jeb has said that parents have demanded that Mojang refund them their money because they didn't know what they child was spending money on. This problem is now affecting Mojang and their image. That's a major reason they now stepped in.
It's like if you got scammed into buying a fake copy of Windows and then went to Microsoft demanding your money back. Microsoft is going to try and stop people from being scammed.
[QUOTE=Brt5470;45023383]Jeb has said that parents have demanded that Mojang refund them their money because they didn't know what they child was spending money on. This problem is now affecting Mojang and their image. That's a major reason they now stepped in.
It's like if you got scammed into buying a fake copy of Windows and then went to Microsoft demanding your money back. Microsoft is going to try and stop people from being scammed.[/QUOTE]
Wait a second, although Mojang should also do something about it themselves, parents are demanding Mojang a refund because they didn't educate their kids enough? Sounds like the parents themselves are uneducated.
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I was hoping that Garry would make his stance clear, if only by curiosity.
We love ya, Garry.
I like how Garry doesn't reply to anyone or didn't have any hashtags in that tweet and yet Notch felt the need to reply to Garry to defend his position.
[QUOTE=JimJam707;45023847][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/kYMUuCb.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
pretty much how I feel about it, I don't think Notch should disallow people from doing this shit when it's their decision to pay for the shit and their decisions to play on the servers
Same point with Source. Source is the base, the mods are the content. Should people not be allowed to sell their mods?
[editline]7th June 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;45024210]I like how Garry doesn't reply to anyone or didn't have any hashtags in that tweet and yet Notch felt the need to reply to Garry to defend his position.[/QUOTE]
They follow and chitchat with eachother every once in awhile
They just want to build the Xbox 360 business model into the PC version of MC
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