[QUOTE=hexpunK;30189120]If I had the training and the know how, yeah I think I'd at least attempt it, that way there is a chance of me surviving the ordeal even if he didn't. Otherwise? Fuck no, it's far too big a risk.[/QUOTE]
I doubt I'd go in even with proper training and equipment. A suicidal drowning man can be more dangerous than someone thinks.
[QUOTE=loco;30189174]I doubt I'd go in even with proper training and equipment. A suicidal drowning man can be more dangerous than someone thinks.[/QUOTE]
True, maybe if there were more than just one person trained it would be slightly smarter, but either way it is still going ot be a risk if he fights back.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;30189049]Oh please. Don't bring up ad hominem when you yourself are just ignoring every argument provided claiming them as baseless.[/QUOTE]
I haven't claimed every argument as baseless, just the more obvious baseless claims such as death would be imminent if a rescue was attempted, etc.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;30189049]There is a very high chance that none of the people there would have been strong enough to bring someone who [B]wanted to die[/B] back to shore without getting injured.[/QUOTE]
it's possible, but you can't say that there's a "very high chance" it would occur
[QUOTE=hexpunK;30189049]And as this is in the US, that person would then likely have various lawsuits filed against them.[/QUOTE]
this is ridiculous and doesn't justify watching a man die
[QUOTE=hexpunK;30189049]Nobody was trained for it, nobody had the gear for it (contrary to your beliefs, not every person in the world wears rescue equipment and has had water rescue training, without that they are a liability, and would cause more damage than good).[/QUOTE]
I've never claimed that
[QUOTE=JDK721;30189197]I haven't claimed every argument as baseless, just the more obvious baseless claims such as death would be imminent if a rescue was attempted, etc.
it's possible, but you can't say that there's a "very high chance" it would occur
this is ridiculous and doesn't justify watching a man die
I've never claimed that[/QUOTE]
he was suicidal, let him die.
:c00lbert:
[QUOTE=JDK721;30189197]I haven't claimed every argument as baseless, just the more obvious baseless claims such as death would be imminent if a rescue was attempted, etc.
it's possible, but you can't say that there's a "very high chance" it would occur
this is ridiculous and doesn't justify watching a man die
I've never claimed that[/QUOTE]
Nobody claimed death would be imminent as far as I read. Are we reading the same thread here? A lot of people did say there is a good chance the bodycount would increase, that is all I remember reading myself.
If someone wants to kill themselves, they are probably not going to come along easily if you try and rescue them, someone thrashing around, trying to hit you when you are rescuing is going to fuck you up if you are in deepish water, no matter how well trained you are. Short of knocking him out (hint: lawsuits again, lodsemone kind too). It would be extremely risky.
And it may not justify watching him die, but there isn't much they can do about that any more huh?
The way you have been posting that it is possible to have helped him kind of makes it look like you were, nobody there could have helped without risking their own life to save someone who wanted to die anyway. Again, not worth the risk. One person dead who wanted to die versus possibly two or more people dead. Even if they saved him he would probably go and kill himself another way if he was that sure of it to try and drown himself in public view.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;30189276]he was suicidal, let him die.
:c00lbert:[/QUOTE]
I understand that
[QUOTE=JDK721;30189312]I understand that[/QUOTE]
Then cease post.
Fuck am I tired. Arguing when drowsy isn't fun. i bet I won't remember any of this tomorrow.
Consider this: you are a firefighter called to the scene. You don't have any water rescue training. You don't have any cold-water gear. Sure, you could try to go after the guy to save him, and best-case scenario you succeed. Worst-case scenario, because of your lack of training, expertise and gear, you wade out into the water and [i]you begin to drown[/i].
That is why rescue personnel are told "If you're not trained to do it, DON'T DO IT". Now there isn't just one person in danger, but two, and maybe more if other people decide to go in after you. You didn't save the man at all, but put more people in danger and risked even more lives.
I'm also pretty sure the families of the fire crew wouldn't want to hear "Your husband/wife died trying to save a drowning suicidal old man."
[QUOTE=hexpunK;30189290]Nobody claimed death would be imminent as far as I read. Are we reading the same thread here? A lot of people did say there is a good chance the bodycount would increase, that is all I remember reading myself.
If someone wants to kill themselves, they are probably not going to come along easily if you try and rescue them, someone thrashing around, trying to hit you when you are rescuing is going to fuck you up if you are in deepish water, no matter how well trained you are. Short of knocking him out (hint: lawsuits again, lodsemone kind too). It would be extremely risky.
And it may not justify watching him die, but there isn't much they can do about that any more huh?
The way you have been posting that it is possible to have helped him kind of makes it look like you were, nobody there could have helped without risking their own life to save someone who wanted to die anyway. Again, not worth the risk. One person dead who wanted to die versus possibly two or more people dead. Even if they saved him he would probably go and kill himself another way if he was that sure of it to try and drown himself in public view.[/QUOTE]
this is a good post, and I really can't disagree with any of the points made in the manner that they've been presented
I concede
[QUOTE=JDK721;30189374]this is a good post, and I really can't disagree with any of the points made in the manner that they've been presented
I concede[/QUOTE]
But what he said was just a massive summary of what everyone else had been saying throughout the entire thread
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;30189795]But what he said was just a massive summary of what everyone else had been saying throughout the entire thread[/QUOTE]
I know
I have to go though for now, so I decided to just concede temporarily
[QUOTE=JDK721;30189374]this is a good post, and I really can't disagree with any of the points made in the manner that they've been presented
I concede[/QUOTE]
This guy didn't say a god damned word that hadn't already been said in the exact same way a hundred times over. Did you finally manage to yank your head out of your ass or are you just an immense troll?
[QUOTE=StormHammer;30192281]This guy didn't say a god damned word that hadn't already been said in the exact same way a hundred times over. Did you finally manage to yank your head out of your ass or are you just an immense troll?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JDK721;30190483]I know
I have to go though for now, so I decided to just concede temporarily[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=StormHammer;30192281]This guy didn't say a god damned word that hadn't already been said in the exact same way a hundred times over. Did you finally manage to yank your head out of your ass or are you just an immense troll?[/QUOTE]
wow what the fuck relax
[QUOTE=thisispain;30192726]wow what the fuck relax[/QUOTE]
You would need to read the thread and all of his border-line retarded posts to understand how annoyed myself and others are with this kid.
[QUOTE=JDK721;30182376]I don't give a shit if they weren't trained. they should've at least tried to save him.
if I was just some bystander out there I would've at least TRIED to help the guy[/QUOTE]
And then get fucking stuck? Or make the situation worse?
[QUOTE=StormHammer;30193267]You would need to read the thread and all of his border-line retarded posts to understand how annoyed myself and others are with this kid.[/QUOTE]
why do people try to label others as kids
[QUOTE=JDK721;30193350]why do people try to label others as kids[/QUOTE]
Best they can do and because to them, there is no fathomable way someone could make retarded posts and be an adult.
[QUOTE=JDK721;30193350]why do people try to label others as kids[/QUOTE]
I'm calling you specifically a kid because the points you made and the way in which you argue them makes me think you are a kid, probably 12 years old or younger or as naive and ignorant as someone of that age. However, this is the last time I'm going to post in this thread or even look at, you've been shown you are wrong, you've conceded that you are wrong, anything more would be a waste of time.
[QUOTE=JDK721;30182728]one of the worst analogies I've ever seen
bank tellers aren't hired to protect your money lol[/QUOTE]
butt its there dutty as humen beens! :downs:
Those firefighters had no choice in the matter. If they had even tried, they would have lost their jobs PROVIDING they even survived.
End of story.
[QUOTE=JDK721;30193350]why do people try to label others as kids[/QUOTE]
It makes them feel like they aren't kids even though they are probably about 19.
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;30193852]butt its there dutty as humen beens! :downs:[/QUOTE]
still being a shit poster I see
The dude wanted to die and he got his wish.
[QUOTE=JDK721;30182376]I don't give a shit if they weren't trained. they should've at least tried to save him.
if I was just some bystander out there I would've at least TRIED to help the guy[/QUOTE]
And get hurt because some jackass want to kill himself?
[QUOTE=JDK721;30193878]still being a shit poster I see[/QUOTE]
:irony:
[QUOTE=StormHammer;30193775]I'm calling you specifically a kid because the points you made and the way in which you argue them makes me think you are a kid, probably 12 years old or younger or as naive and ignorant as someone of that age. However, this is the last time I'm going to post in this thread or even look at, you've been shown you are wrong, you've conceded that you are wrong, anything more would be a waste of time.[/QUOTE]
So pretty much you couldn't possibly be an adult because you're dumb.
[QUOTE=JDK721;30193878]still being a shit poster I see[/QUOTE]
You know me.
Imo i'd look at it this way, for them it'd be either save this guy and then get fired afterward, or do nothing and keep your job.
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