Nazi Symbols Covering NYC Subway Train Cause Furor on Social Media - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Sitkero;49175615]You do know that that particular eagle is the actual [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Germany#Nazi_Germany]emblem of the German Reich under Nazi rule[/url], right? The only difference is there's an iron cross where a swastika would usually be[/QUOTE] Yeah I do, but its an edited version of it without the part that people generally associate nazis with which makes it pretty damn clear its meant to be for something else. Do these people get offended when they see that the "rising sun" appears all the time in things but was on the jap flag? no they dont but apparently here because its used on tv its somehow this terrible thing

well it's working, never heard of this show and now i want to watch it

[QUOTE=archival;49175629]Yeah I do, but its an edited version of it without the part that people generally associate nazis with which makes it pretty damn clear its not some neo nazi propaganda. Do these people get offended when they see that the "rising sun" appears all the time in things but was on the jap flag? no they dont so whats the difference[/QUOTE] Okay, so it doesn't have a swastika. That doesn't mean the rest of the image doesn't resemble any kind of nazi imagery in any way. That eagle in that position is as much a Nazi symbol as the swastika it carried was.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49175729]Okay, so it doesn't have a swastika. That doesn't mean the rest of the image doesn't resemble any kind of nazi imagery in any way. That eagle in that position is as much a Nazi symbol as the swastika it carried was.[/QUOTE] Yeah I mean I presume thats sort of the point considering its a tv about, you know, nazis. If it was the exact logo sure thats a bit stupid but come on, the things an advert for a tv series thats been changed as far as you could change it without it being something completely different. Oh no a big scary changed in every way emblem that references something that didn't effect me in my lifetime at all im offended! TV how dare you reference anything real even remotely!

[QUOTE=archival;49175796]Yeah I mean I presume thats sort of the point considering its a tv about, you know, nazis. If it was the exact logo sure thats a bit stupid but come on, the things an advert for a tv series thats been changed as far as you could change it without it being something completely different. [B]Oh no a big scary changed in every way emblem[/B] that references something that didn't effect me in my lifetime at all im offended! TV how dare you reference anything real even remotely![/QUOTE] Changed in every way Right [t]http://puu.sh/lwIV9/434ac7461c.png[/t] I don't think putting a distinctly Nazi styled iron cross in the swastika's place here is changed in every way, and I think even an iron cross there still has much heavier Nazi connotations than you're giving credit for, given that it's practically right behind the swastika in terms of imagery recognizable as Nazi imagery I get what you're driving at about people blowing it out of proportion, but at the same time it's nowhere near as far off from the real thing as you're making it out to be

[QUOTE]an alternate reality — the Axis won World War II and rules most of the United States [/QUOTE] This sounds off the hook, I gotta watch this [editline]24th November 2015[/editline] which means this marketing campaign of poor judgement has done exactly what it was intended to do!

the show is pretty good this makes the show more visible to people pr team wins im okay with this

[QUOTE=archival;49175796]Yeah I mean I presume thats sort of the point considering its a tv about, you know, nazis. If it was the exact logo sure thats a bit stupid but come on, the things an advert for a tv series thats been changed as far as you could change it without it being something completely different. Oh no a big scary changed in every way emblem that references something that didn't effect me in my lifetime at all im offended! TV how dare you reference anything real even remotely![/QUOTE] it's not about seeing it on a TV show, it's about walking onto a train and suddenly seeing nazi imagery plastered everywhere. for a jewish person i imagine it'd be unsettling at the very least. the rising sun flag also carries similar connotations for korean and chinese people as well

[QUOTE=ScottyWired;49175907]This sounds off the hook, I gotta watch this [editline]24th November 2015[/editline] which means this marketing campaign of poor judgement has done exactly what it was intended to do![/QUOTE] The Japs control Australia you may not like it that much

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;49175929]The Japs control Australia you may not like it that much[/QUOTE] Japs, controlling Australia? And I wouldn't like that? Think about who you're talking to here

[QUOTE=ScottyWired;49175946]Japs, controlling Australia? And I wouldn't like that? Think about who you're talking to here[/QUOTE] You won't find your animes very cute when they jump from the trees and slit the throats of your entire company

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;49175964]You won't find your animes very cute when they jump from the trees and slit the throats of your entire company[/QUOTE] Though I'm more confused about how Japan of all countries could take over Australia. If Ramree Island is anything to go by, northern Australia should basically be untouchable

It was over half a century ago people, get the fuck over it.

[QUOTE=Sitkero;49175896]Changed in every way Right [t]http://puu.sh/lwIV9/434ac7461c.png[/t] I don't think putting a distinctly Nazi styled iron cross in the swastika's place here is changed in every way, and I think even an iron cross there still has much heavier Nazi connotations than you're giving credit for, given that it's practically right behind the swastika in terms of imagery recognizable as Nazi imagery I get what you're driving at about people blowing it out of proportion, but at the same time it's nowhere near as far off from the real thing as you're making it out to be[/QUOTE] Well that's silly, because it was changed in every way. The actual Nazi symbol requires a swastika, not an Iron Cross. The IC was not "distinctly" a Nazi symbol; never was and never will be. It was and remains a distinctly [i]German[/i]/Prussian symbol dating back to the Napoleonic Wars. It's still used today as the symbol for the German Federal Defense forces. I understand exactly why they used it: it isn't a Nazi symbol, but at the same time, it's distinct enough to where people will notice it and immediately think "German". Unfortunately, people are also incredibly stupid-- hence the overreaction seen here. But that's good; means the show will get the public attention it was looking for in the first place (and it's a good show, so it deserves it).

[QUOTE=Sitkero;49175896]I think even an iron cross there still has much heavier Nazi connotations than you're giving credit for, given that it's practically right behind the swastika in terms of imagery recognizable as Nazi imagery[/QUOTE] No it's fucking not or else it wouldn't be the official symbol of the Bundeswehr. [IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-AHDAAudXS5g/UhvMTEHVyuI/AAAAAAAABHA/Ji2oV4G1CCw/s1600/Logo-bundeswehrNICHTMEINS!!!!!!!.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i42.tinypic.com/huizgx.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://images.flugrevue.de/sixcms/media.php/11/thumbnails/Tiger-Afghanistan-Wilcke.jpg.3542166.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.anft.net/f-14/photo-f4-14l.jpg[/IMG]

That's a fuckup on me, then. Got my symbols mixed up

The Iron Cross has been a German symbol since before Germany even became a country. [t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Landwehrm%C3%BCtze_Preu%C3%9Fen_19Jh_Museum_Senftenberg.jpg/1024px-Landwehrm%C3%BCtze_Preu%C3%9Fen_19Jh_Museum_Senftenberg.jpg[/t] Hans from the leather club has a surprise for you

[QUOTE=ScottyWired;49175992]Though I'm more confused about how Japan of all countries could take over Australia. If Ramree Island is anything to go by, northern Australia should basically be untouchable[/QUOTE] Well they tried before, with mixed results. Also I really like the design but agree it was not a very smart move.

oh damn, the show is out? i will have to watch it since i am a huge fan of philip k dick's books.

T-shirts around here carry the Eagle and the wreath as well, except the circular part being of a word. None has ever taken offense of it so far, even though it was brought up in court but struck down as not being illegal. People need to stop being so easily offended about every single little thing.

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;49175929]The Japs control Australia you may not like it that much[/QUOTE] Well I mean half our military's emblem is already the rising sun so.. [QUOTE=Broseph_;49176613]The thing is the Japanese really weren't keen on invading Australia, and basically the only commanders to propose it got told to get fucked.[/QUOTE] Well theyre right to do so, Australia is basically one of the toughest nations to occupy because of the nature of where all of the cities are located, you'd either have to make multiple beach landings against defenders all around the country or slog it through bushland around 3/4 of the country just to get to the other major cities from where you landed, or go through the desert which is a fairly shit idea. The massive spread of lived areas around the outside would be such a pain to deal with unless you had a fucking huge navy. It would have been pretty much impossible to pull off back then for any nation let alone japan.

[QUOTE=Novangel;49176553]Well they tried before, with mixed results. Also I really like the design but agree it was not a very smart move.[/QUOTE] The thing is the Japanese really weren't keen on invading Australia, and basically the only commanders to propose it got told to get fucked.

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;49176296]The Iron Cross has been a German symbol since before Germany even became a country. [/QUOTE] The problem is these days it's mostly being used bei neo-nazis.

[QUOTE=Sitkero;49176270]That's a fuckup on me, then. Got my symbols mixed up[/QUOTE] Maybe you meant the Balkenkreuz? [t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/FW_190_F.jpg[/t] [t]http://www.sdkfz251.com/images/gap14.JPG[/t]

[t]http://www.allempires.com/forum/uploads/35539/boy3.jpg[/t] i haven't really heard boy getting any shit...

[QUOTE=ScottyWired;49175992]Though I'm more confused about how Japan of all countries could take over Australia. If Ramree Island is anything to go by, northern Australia should basically be untouchable[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Novangel;49176553]Well they tried before, with mixed results. Also I really like the design but agree it was not a very smart move.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=archival;49176599] Well theyre right to do so, Australia is basically one of the toughest nations to occupy because of the nature of where all of the cities are located, you'd either have to make multiple beach landings against defenders all around the country or slog it through bushland around 3/4 of the country just to get to the other major cities from where you landed, or go through the desert which is a fairly shit idea. The massive spread of lived areas around the outside would be such a pain to deal with unless you had a fucking huge navy. It would have been pretty much impossible to pull off back then for any nation let alone japan.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Broseph_;49176613]The thing is the Japanese really weren't keen on invading Australia, and basically the only commanders to propose it got told to get fucked.[/QUOTE] In the book, the point of divergence from reality is when FDR is assassinated shortly before or after taking office his first term. This leads the US to never really recover from the Great Depression and continue its strong isolationist policies. This results in Nazi Germany and Japan taking on the UK/Australia one-on-one, not only without America as an ally, but without America as a lends-lease material giver. This allows the Japanese and the Nazis to invade both Australia and the United Kingdom with ease in the early 40s. Shortly afterward, in around 1944/1945, the Axis declares war on the United States, with the Nazis using nuclear weapons on a couple east coast cities (the Japanese do not develop them), and divide the continent between themselves. Plausible? Realistic? Well, not quite the point, because the whole novel is set in the 1960s and in the US, not Australia. So Australia's occupation is more or less for flavor than given an in-depth explanation.

Just a symbol, dude.

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;49174315]This isn't a case of people being too sensitive. I like the show but any type of Nazi imagery in a highly visible public place is a very shaky subject, the marketing team made a pretty poor choice.[/QUOTE] Remember when some people unrolled that huge Nazi banner in France for a movie without telling anyone? (iirc) For some reason, everyone here thought that all the onlookers who reacted were whiny idiots. I wonder why this is different.

who cares thats not offensive at all [IMG]http://www.famouslogos.net/images/barclays-logo.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i4.birminghampost.co.uk/incoming/article3900284.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/48DD88E8-BE13-7535-585821042B02FB4F.jpg[/IMG] at least theyre not pasting hitler photos everywhere

[QUOTE=AK'z;49178029]who cares thats not offensive at all [IMG]http://www.famouslogos.net/images/barclays-logo.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i4.birminghampost.co.uk/incoming/article3900284.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/48DD88E8-BE13-7535-585821042B02FB4F.jpg[/IMG] at least theyre not pasting hitler photos everywhere[/QUOTE] how is that related to the nazi symbols