Canadian House of Commons passes anti-Islamophobia motion - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;52006249]It doesn't literally threaten with the forceful execution of those things, it promotes the overall concept as the proper ideology to adopt, which in turn makes people feel unaccepted or threatened because if enough people push an ideology, its chances of being adopted increases accordingly.[/QUOTE] Can you give me some examples? It sounds like you don't want bigoted or racist opinions to be voiced because people might adopt those opinions which I think is a closed minded way of dealing with social issues.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;52006256]Saying "I hate niggers" doesn't even fall under this definition then. And a lot of that would still be subjective. What is considere "extraordinary"? And how does this differ significantly from criminal conspiracy?[/QUOTE] Hate speech isn't literally just someone saying "I hate this thing". It involves the promoting of ideals and policies related to these ideals. While randomly saying "I hate niggers" isn't hate speech in itself and will not get you arrested in a place like France, the association of enough people saying the same thing on a regular basis thus promoting the establishment of an ideal wherein it is okay and expected to "hate the niggers" [I]is[/I] hate speech and [I]will[/I] get you arrested in France. Extraordinary means out of the ordinary, it means treating a specific group of people in conditions that no other people would ever fall under simply based on religion or affiliations or ideologies or anything else you want to discriminate them with.

I think people are a bit confused. Being critical of a religion doing bad shit isn't hate speech. It's simply calling out the shitty things that people do. No one's going to arrest you for accusing a terrorist of being a terrorist, regardless of religion, social status, race. This isn't a precursor to "Let the Muslim's walk all over western values". I'm pretty confident if extremism is brought here, people will reject the extremism. But we should also be mindful and not group extremist behavior with it's corresponding religion as a whole. There are normal people, and there are dicks. This motion/bill/whatever, still won't protect the dicks.

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;52006265]Can you give me some examples? It sounds like you don't want bigoted or racist opinions to be voiced because people might adopt those opinions which I think is a closed minded way of dealing with social issues.[/QUOTE] I don't want bigoted or racist opinions to be voiced by larger groups of people because it causes crime to happen. If you want an example, there's the 1995 case I already mentioned, in which the repeated promotion of a hateful, discriminatory policy lead to hateful, discriminatory behavior, which lead to the death of a man. Otherwise, pretty much all of the US during its segregation years.

Ganerumo do you think Muhammad cartoons should be illegal?

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;52006284]I don't want bigoted or racist opinions to be voiced by larger groups of people because it causes crime to happen. If you want an example, there's the 1995 case I already mentioned, in which the repeated promotion of a hateful, discriminatory policy lead to hateful, discriminatory behavior, which lead to the death of a man. Otherwise, pretty much all of the US during its segregation years.[/QUOTE] You do realize the only way to deal with segrigation and discrimination on a large level is to have open discussions about it and educate people rather than banning opinions right? A parrallel would be the war on drugs. Banning drugs accross the board did more harm than good and ended up costing everyone, and now that people are slowly realizing this we see legalization hapening accross the globe and more education campaigns to help people understand the effects substances have on peoples bodies.

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;52006303]You do realize the only way to deal with segrigation and discrimination on a large level is to have open discussions about it and educate people rather than banning opinions right? A parrallel would be the war on drugs. Banning drugs accross the board did more harm than good and ended up costing everyone, and now that people are slowly realizing this we see legalization hapening accross the globe and more education campaigns to help people understand the effects substances have on peoples bodies.[/QUOTE] prohibition of any sort serves only to exacerbate the problem. We've seen this again and again throughout history. It's human nature to want to get into shit that you're not allowed, to have things you cant, etc.

Not attacking anyone just genuinely asking for clarification because I do not know everything: What makes hate illogical? If someone thinks about something, comes to the conclusion that "even though X is not all terrible, it is a net negative in regards to Y and therefore I hate it", where is the lack of logic in that? Is all hate illogical? What about our hate of the Nazi's? Hate of injustice? [editline]24th March 2017[/editline] no one?

no one is trying to arrest you for being an unlikable shithead, only when you're a dangerous unlikable shithead. going "I fucking hate muslim sandniggers" wont get you arrested, actively attacking them verbally and physically, while specifically singling them out, will probably get you in trouble like any situation where you're being an unreasonable shithead unprovoked to a person that probably doesn't really deserve it. ffs.

[QUOTE=mchapra;52006368]no one is trying to arrest you for being an unlikable shithead, only when you're a dangerous unlikable shithead. going "I fucking hate muslim sandniggers" wont get you arrested, actively attacking them verbally and physically, while specifically singling them out, will probably get you in trouble like any situation where you're being an unreasonable shithead unprovoked to a person that probably doesn't really deserve it. ffs.[/QUOTE] This, I don't see why it's such a hard concept to grasp. You can patrol the streets announcing your hatred for niggers if you please. If you approach a black person and start hurling racist abuse at them you'll probably get chopped for assault or harassment: side clause, [I]hate crime.[/I]

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;52006083]Why should it be illegal to publicly hate Muslims?[/QUOTE] i'm so glad I don't live in the US. Yes, in Canada it's illegal to spread hate speech and it's that way because we don't tolerate bigoted views in our country. spreading hate and making minorities feel unsafe is not okay and in my opinion (and i think the opinion of the majority of Canadians) is that there's no room for that kind of hate and intolerance here.

[QUOTE=mchapra;52006368]no one is trying to arrest you for being an unlikable shithead, only when you're a dangerous unlikable shithead. going "I fucking hate muslim sandniggers" wont get you arrested, actively attacking them verbally and physically, while specifically singling them out, will probably get you in trouble like any situation where you're being an unreasonable shithead unprovoked to a person that probably doesn't really deserve it. ffs.[/QUOTE] Then why do we need these laws?

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;52006153]Your views are mentally harmful to me. Stop posting immediately.[/QUOTE] "I can't actually challenge what that poster said, let me get the snappy one liners out"

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;52005960]You get used to it. Although I'm glad you've noticed the double standard. A lot of Scandinavians on here are prone to saying things like "it's my country, I know better than you" any time news is discussed about their countries.[/QUOTE] There's a certain asymmetry simply due to the fact that almost everyone in Denmark knows English, whereas the number of Americans who speak Danish is probably pretty low. Feel free to talk about Denmark, but you'd be prone to google translate you through a bunch of shitty sites due to not even knowing the media landscape of Denmark. I don't discuss politics from the Netherlands either, for example, because I don't know the parties and I don't know the language. I also tend to not talk too much about the UK, because honestly I don't follow their political scene nearly as closely. Feel free to talk about Denmark (and Scandinavia I guess), but maybe recognize that you're at an inherent disadvantage?

[QUOTE=Zombinie;52006324]Not attacking anyone just genuinely asking for clarification because I do not know everything: What makes hate illogical? If someone thinks about something, comes to the conclusion that "even though X is not all terrible, it is a net negative in regards to Y and therefore I hate it", where is the lack of logic in that? Is all hate illogical? What about our hate of the Nazi's? Hate of injustice? [/QUOTE] hate in of itself is not illogical. hating muslim people because of x, or hating black people because of y, is illogical. and your example line of thought is illogical beacuse hating something thats recognized as being not all terrible is illogical. how can you hate something that isn't all terrible? i think sharia law is a net negative in regards to islam, but i dont hate islam because of it. i hate that particular aspect of it. not all hate is illogical. hate of nazis is perfectly logical because nazi's spread a message of hate and even more went so far as to act on their hate. nazis are the embodiment of illogical hate. hate for the sake of hate.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;52006407]Then why do we need these laws?[/QUOTE] Why don't we?

[QUOTE=mchapra;52006443]Why don't we?[/QUOTE] Did you just question with a question?

[QUOTE=June;52006405]i'm so glad I don't live in the US. Yes, in Canada it's illegal to spread hate speech and it's that way because we don't tolerate bigoted views in our country. spreading hate and making minorities feel unsafe is not okay and in my opinion (and i think the opinion of the majority of Canadians) is that there's no room for that kind of hate and intolerance here.[/QUOTE] We don't have property rights in Canada either.

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;52006446]Did you just question with a question?[/QUOTE] Yeah? I've not been given any reason or context for such a question so of course I'm gonna ask why [editline]24th March 2017[/editline] not to mention that I never mentioned we needed these laws, or whatever they are, just what they entail and how no one who wants to spurt their run of the mill racist garbage is in danger

Why should Islam get protection over literally any other philosophy? Would it be the same if I criticised a libertarian for their views? Is that also bigotry?

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;52006481]Why should Islam get protection over literally any other philosophy? Would it be the same if I criticised a libertarian for their views? Is that also bigotry?[/QUOTE] No one said you can't. Spreading hate against Muslims is the thing people have issues with.

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[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52006491]Yeah, this class is bs. It's so obviously meant to reinforce outdated sexist roles it's not funny[/QUOTE] Damn, treating Canadians as just a class of people is not on man. (I think you have the wrong thread)

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52006517]Damn, treating Canadians as just a class of people is not on man. (I think you have the wrong thread)[/QUOTE] I really am lol sorry

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;52006284]I don't want bigoted or racist opinions to be voiced by larger groups of people because it causes crime to happen. If you want an example, there's the 1995 case I already mentioned, in which the repeated promotion of a hateful, discriminatory policy lead to hateful, discriminatory behavior, which lead to the death of a man. Otherwise, pretty much all of the US during its segregation years.[/QUOTE] I guess BLM needs to be banned, then. It's rhetoric has inspired a ton of crime, including, but not limited to, the murder of police officers.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;52005910]Hate speech/hate crime laws should not be a thing.[/QUOTE] Neither should hate speech at all but we don't live in a perfect world so

Everything I don't agree with is hate speech or Nazi, ban it.

I think it should go as follows; saying "I hate niggers" anywhere you want - fine saying "I hate niggers and also [I]go kill them[/I]" - hate crime for advocating violence beating the shit out of a black guy with racial motivations - definitely a hate crime I don't think taking away the ability to publicly hate a group would do much good. In this country you'd probably see KKK membership skyrocket

When people cannot speak freely, they act in secrecy.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;52006153]Your views are mentally harmful to me. Stop posting immediately. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Rude and unnecessary, was given last chance" - icemaz))[/highlight][/QUOTE] Good riddance.