Court rules cross on federal land is unconstitutional - Polidicks

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27210692]Not worth it to go back and change these things.[/QUOTE] No, they're OK because crosses on headstones don't show a preference for one religion over others. Having a giant cross on federal land and calling it a "war memorial" shows an obvious preference for Christianity. [editline]5th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27210835]i fear for the day when you post in the gold members area[/QUOTE] maybe he'll pull a doriol and let himself get tricked into being banned

I'm not sure about this. In the context (of it being a memorial), it should be considered that the cross can be the classic sign of memory for the dead, regardless of religious nature. This stands apart from the obviously religious origins. In this case, the cross itself seems more like a simple, classic monument of memory alone, rather than memory of the souls now living in union with the Holy Spirit.

[QUOTE=Prismatex;27210963]No, they're OK because crosses on headstones don't show a preference for one religion over others. Having a giant cross on federal land and calling it a "war memorial" shows an obvious preference for Christianity[/QUOTE] No they don't, those are only private and European cemeteries, most federal ones use common headstones with the fallen service member's religious symbol of choice etched onto it [img]http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/emblems.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.prosebeforehos.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/krskhangravesitephotoaugustjpg.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Prismatex;27210963]No, they're OK because crosses on headstones don't show a preference for one religion over others. Having a giant cross on federal land and calling it a "war memorial" shows an obvious preference for Christianity.[/QUOTE] Not really. No-one is stopping them from erecting a different religious symbol.

Thank god we didnt use crosses at arlington. We'd have to have some heavy excavation.

[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;27210974]I'm not sure about this. In the context (of it being a memorial), it should be considered that the cross can be the classic sign of memory for the dead, regardless of religious nature. This stands apart from the obviously religious origins. In this case, the cross itself seems more like a simple, classic monument of memory alone, rather than memory of the souls now living in union with the Holy Spirit.[/QUOTE] Maybe for the west, but what about the rest of the world?

[QUOTE=Broseph_;27211026]Maybe for the west, but what about the rest of the world?[/QUOTE] Maybe not in Iran - but this isn't Iran, is it. It's a place where crosses are used as a non-religious symbol of death.

Crosses have always been associated with veterans - they're graves are marked by a cross, this is just a memorial for those veterans like any grave cross is.

[QUOTE=Broseph_;27211026]Maybe for the west, but what about the rest of the world?[/QUOTE] what aBOUT the rest of the world?

[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;27211037]Maybe not in Iran - but this isn't Iran, is it. It's a place where crosses are used as a non-religious symbol of death.[/QUOTE] Why did you chose Iran of all places? also so, what about all the persian-americans, all the asian-americans? [editline]5th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Thom12255;27211038]Crosses have always been associated with veterans - they're graves are marked by a cross, this is just a memorial for those veterans like any grave cross is.[/QUOTE] No, it was erected for Easter

[QUOTE=Broseph_;27211050]Why did you chose Iran of all places? also so, what about all the persian-americans, all the asian-americans? [/QUOTE] Because Iran is a place where crosses might not be a standard non-religious symbol of death? If you're talking about the impact of this on people from different societies, it's irrelevant - we're not in their home country, we're in this one, and in this one, crosses can be non-religious.

[QUOTE=Broseph_;27211050]Why did you chose Iran of all places?[/quote] I think hes going for your avatar [quote]also so, what about all the persian-americans, all the asian-americans?[/quote] Most get somehow slightly annoyed (except for the christian ones, namely Korea) [editline]5th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Dr_Funk;27211069]Because Iran is a place where crosses might not be a standard non-religious symbol of death? If you're talking about the impact of this on people from different societies, it's irrelevant - we're not in their home country, we're in this one, and in this one, crosses can be non-religious.[/QUOTE] Just like the swastika can be a symbol for hindu peace. but we all know what people REALLY are using it for.

I remember driving past that cross in San Diego many times

[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;27211069]crosses can be non-religious.[/QUOTE] I dont think so. also then why would people care to put crosses on government property if it were not for a religious reason.

[QUOTE=Explosions;27206911]:smith: IMO if the veterans want it then who cares? Nobody's forcing religion on anybody and it's not causing anyone harm. You can go ahead and put up a giant Star of David or Muslim Moon and Star for all I care, if the vets want it then go and give it to them! They've earned it![/QUOTE] Sorry to burst your bubble, but not everyone veteran is a Christian bigot.

[QUOTE=Broseph_;27211050]Why did you chose Iran of all places? also so, what about all the persian-americans, all the asian-americans? [editline]5th January 2011[/editline] No, it was erected for Easter[/QUOTE] It can't be erected for easter. That's the government showing favouritism to a religion(christianity) which breaks secularity. Don't say it isn't in the constitution, that's not an argument, it's favouritism to something, they have to be secular to be non particular about religion.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;27210036]Yeah but what headstone are they supposed to put for unidentifiable corpses? It'd just be easier to make a non-religious headstone and use that instead of just assuming no one will be offended by the cross. To be overly honest, I'm not offended by the cross, I just think it's a bit foolish to assume all troops are Christian.[/QUOTE] Probably a blank tombstone. [url=http://www.cem.va.gov/hm/hmemb.asp]for any other religion[/url]