Anti-Trump demonstrators set fires, break windows in California - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;51340773]Not burning things is a good place to start. There are peaceful ways of getting a message across.[/QUOTE] Nobody disagrees. There are violent and distasteful people of every political ideology. Violence is unacceptable here. Understandable response? Sure. But unacceptable. No matter which political party you belong to. Pinning this as "Trump supporters are violent" or "GOTCHA liberals, you're actually the violent ones" is ridiculous generalization. Most of both groups aren't actively violent. Taking a few examples from either side and generalizing it to the whole group is dishonest and always has been. Unacceptable if Clinton had won, unacceptable now that Trump won.

To quote Terminal Lance [QUOTE]For as much as people like to claim this country has gone downhill or that we are weak, it’s baseless and resoundingly untrue. Get off your computer, stop reading the headlines, and walk outside. The country isn’t crumbling. The vast and beautiful landscape of the United States is large the same as it ever has been. Are there issues? Of course there are. There always are. Every country has domestic issues. America is no different. There is always room for improvement. But none of America’s problems stop it from being the greatest damn country on this planet, and no matter who wins I will still be a proud American. For all of the faults of democracy, I wouldn’t trade it for anything. It is the best system that there is, and America is absolutely the best at it. It’s also important to remember that the unfortunate truth of democracy is that there is a losing side 100% of the time. If the person you like doesn’t win: tough shit. Deal with it and try to change it in 4 years. No matter who wins the election today, we are all Americans, and we are in this together whether we like it or not.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=maniacykt;51340799]It will be epic lulz if Trump somehow will turn out to be a great president. [editline]10th November 2016[/editline] Yeah, just start a civil war why don't you? Great way to protest mate, if you disagree just pull out a gun and go on a killing spree![/QUOTE] A+ extrapolation

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;51340401]Good. A revolt is needed. This election has been utter shit and it ended even worse.[/QUOTE] Hell yeah, let's go grab some guns and shoot cops as well! Bring the the national guard, that'll show those dirty Trump supporters that they shouldn't of elected the living reincarnation of Hitler. Fuck, let's go shoot at them as well, hit them with baseball bats, What could ever so possibly go wrong with the idea of a revolt?

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I'm very disappointed with everyone here calling for violence, especially those who were criticizing the Trump camp of inciting violence like a week ago. It's simple. Violence is not acceptable, no matter who wins. We live in a democratic society. If you want to fight against Trump, do so civilly. Violence is unacceptable against any political group, no matter how much you dislike them.

[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;51340815]Yeah I'm sure the promised religious extremism, social regression, defunding of research, etc will be great for America. I'm really looking forward to losing my health insurance and having a fucked up career because of the impact this might have on my graduate studies.[/QUOTE] ffs, take a chill pill dude you're just fear-mongering right now Why do think that tomorrow your country will suddenly become a Nazi Germany? Do you REALLY think that fucking Trump death squads will suddenly pop up, lining up, shooting immigrants and burning gays? Sure, there may be changes in the future but I guarantee that you'll not lose anything if you don't fuck it up yourself. you live in the goddamn USA dammit - [B]YOU ARE NOT RUSSIA[/B]

[QUOTE=Starpluck;51340660]We didn't. That's the thing. The people elected Clinton. But the old rigged Electoral College voted for Trump against the wishes of the people.[/QUOTE] Let's be honest, if the situation was reversed and Clinton had a majority in the electoral college despite Trump having the popular vote, you would be glad it exists. I know I would.

I feel everything would've been way worse if hillary won. Then you would have all the crazies and rednecks going beserk.

[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;51340824]Bet you wouldnt be saying that if the situation was reversed[/QUOTE] Let's be fair though both sides would cry foul if their chosen or approved of candidate lost except for whoever voted 3rd party because they couldn't consider either of two corrupt shits in the white house It comes to the same old confirmation bias all humans have got

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;51340505]Yeah, I would. The difference is these riots are fueled by current and impending injustice. Trumpanzee riots would be fueled by propaganda and lies of "rigged elections".[/QUOTE] Literally "its okay when we do it!!!" If you think people burning down local homes and businesses in one of the most unilaterally FOR-Hillary states give a shit, think again. They're just looking for an excuse, just like when they riot over thugs and criminals getting bodied.

DON'T commit crimes! Find other ways to deal with the mass amounts of salt in your body!

[QUOTE=maniacykt;51340867]ffs, take a chill pill dude you're just fear-mongering right now Why do think that tomorrow your country will suddenly become a Nazi Germany? Do you REALLY think that fucking Trump death squads will suddenly pop up, lining up, shooting immigrants and burning gays? Sure, there may be changes in the future but I guarantee that you'll not lose anything if you don't fuck it up yourself. you live in the goddamn USA dammit - [B]YOU ARE NOT RUSSIA[/B][/QUOTE] Yeah you won't lose anything as long as you are a straight white male With a republican house and Senate plus an inevitable Republican Supreme Court and a vice president who wants to defund aids research and spend the money on gay conversion therapy, we are fucked lol

[QUOTE=Marbalo;51340814]You're planning on tackling the widening rift between Americans by literally trying to widen the rift by "fighting back".[/QUOTE] It's going to happen one way or the other. Like others have said, if Clinton won, then it would be the other side attempting to do the same thing. This is how American politics works now thanks to the extreme amount of political polarization that exists here. This is an opportunity to cause it to happen sooner than later. Unless of course you somehow think it can be repaired and more importantly is actually going to be repaired in reality-- in which case I'd love to hear the mental gymnastics behind that logic given our present circumstances. There's a difference though in that one side of the rift is supportive of tolerance and progressive policies whilst the other side supports reactionary measures (with strong religious overtones insofar as Pence is concerned; God help us if he ever gets the presidency) and intends to erode the civil rights and welfare of tens of millions of Americans. The repeal of Obamacare alone will cause a shitload of people to lose their healthcare insurance. I don't even know where to begin when describing all the bad shit this means for us. It really is that black and white. This isn't a grey issue. And don't disarm yourself with that spiel about, "Well maybe everything will work out somehow... in spite of the mountain of contradictory evidence that says it won't." It's emotionally-comforting nonsense that ignores the reality of the issue. We fucked up big time. Now we have to start preparing for the future that's ahead of us.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;51340505]Yeah, I would. The difference is these riots are fueled by current and impending injustice. Trumpanzee riots would be fueled by propaganda and lies of "rigged elections".[/QUOTE] If things went the other way, Trump supporters would make the same claims about current and impending injustices. Your opinion is not objective fact. [QUOTE=Govna;51340646]People [I]need[/I] to get radical now. They need to fight back, and they really need to start organizing and structuralizing themselves so they can fight back effectively. The last thing that's warranted is passivity and indifference; if we go that route, then they'll be able to do whatever the fuck they want to us and our country. And that's unacceptable.[/QUOTE] You're not just fighting the government though, you're fighting the will of the people and the people behind that. You're advocating a civil war. Let me be very clear about how I feel about this: that is [B]fucking retarded[/B]. You are acting no better than the "RACE WAR!" /pol/ tards. [QUOTE=Coyoteze;51340704]Well, with that attitude it [I]definetely [/I]won't change. If at first you don't succeed: Try, try, try again.[/QUOTE] The problem with the Electoral College is that most Americans don't even know how it works, let alone why it's a problem. Getting the political capital necessary to change it when no one knows why is going to be no small feat. [QUOTE=bunguer;51340865]Trump wants to change how expensive medical drugs are by "making it easier for drug providers to enter the free market, allowing customers to access medication from overseas. " also ". In addition, he plans to require transparency from health care providers (so people can shop around and find the best prices for procedures), and allow people to use tax-free Health Savings Accounts that they can pass onto their heirs. Trump hopes to pass legislation that allows individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns—something businesses are already allowed to do. He hopes this will make coverage more affordable."[/QUOTE] Wow, that's actually not that bad. I still prefer our government-run system in Canada, but if you have to do free-market healthcare, at least do it right... and this policy sounds like it's on the right track.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;51340660]We didn't. That's the thing. The people elected Clinton. But the old rigged Electoral College voted for Trump against the wishes of the people.[/QUOTE] The Electoral College isn't rigged ffs. The votes are based on the population of the state decided by the number of senators+representatives as well as the base 3 votes.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;51340963]None of this matters. The people on this forum have become so incredibly convinced that Trump will be the fall of the US as we know it that listening to anything else is "pure speculation" to them. It hasn't even been 24 hours since Trump was elected and already protesters are burning shops and breaking windows, utterly convinced that the next 4 years will be hell on earth while of course unknowingly making it so in the process of all the bitter hatred and disgust they have been so opposed to. There were talks of Trump not respecting the democratic shifting of power and people here were really angry at Trump for denying a "cornerstone of democracy". But once he won, suddenly that doesn't really matter anymore. Now we have calls to "fight back" and overthrow a democratically elected president. Nice. I suggest Americans pick themselves up and figure out ways to work with what you have, instead of complaining on the internet about "what might happen" and subsequently making yourselves even more panicked and stressed out. Something which you have been doing since the start of this election. Dozens of pages, hundreds of posts worth of fearmongering, paranoia, anxiety and terror about the [i]potential[/i] consequences of a Trump presidency. How about waiting for a bit to see if all that you have predicted will actually take place? Whether or not LGBT rights really will be reverted and neglected, If things are going to be as bad as you think they will for you and yours. I might be totally wrong and Trump might actually be the biggest failure in American history, but for now, lets just wait and see if any harm actually comes from this man. I dont believe he will be this much of a bigoted idiot as you think he is.[/QUOTE] I'm not even worried about Trump, I'm worried about Pence. This presidency is going to be like W Bush's where the vice president is pulling all the strings and the president is just a figurehead

Well this is rather hypocritical, albeit not at all surprising. I remember everyone getting up in arms about Trump supporters being angry and violent, hah.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;51340963]None of this matters. The people on this forum have become so incredibly convinced that Trump will be the fall of the US as we know it that listening to anything else is "pure speculation" to them. It hasn't even been 24 hours since Trump was elected and already protesters are burning shops and breaking windows, utterly convinced that the next 4 years will be hell on earth while of course unknowingly making it so in the process of all the bitter hatred and disgust they have been so opposed to. There were talks of Trump not respecting the democratic shifting of power and people here were really angry at Trump for denying a "cornerstone of democracy". But once he won, suddenly that doesn't really matter anymore. Now we have calls to "fight back" and overthrow a democratically elected president. Nice. I suggest Americans pick themselves up and figure out ways to work with what you have, instead of complaining on the internet about "what might happen" and subsequently making yourselves even more panicked and stressed out. Something which you have been doing since the start of this election. Dozens of pages, hundreds of posts worth of fearmongering, paranoia, anxiety and terror about the [i]potential[/i] consequences of a Trump presidency. How about waiting for a bit to see if all that you have predicted will actually take place? Whether or not LGBT rights really will be reverted and neglected, If things are going to be as bad as you think they will for you and yours. I might be totally wrong and Trump might actually be the biggest failure in American history, but for now, lets just wait and see if any harm actually comes from this man. I dont believe he will be this much of a bigoted idiot as you think he is.[/QUOTE] You're going to be totally wrong. The positions the man ran on alone and the rhetoric that he whipped his followers up with proves it, not to mention his background and Pence's background. And the problem with this kind of mentality is that it asks us to disarm to be passive when we need to be more vigilant and prepared than ever. "Wait and see" is an extremely dangerous mindset when you're faced with these kinds of people who are openly bigoted and don't actually have any concrete plans about how they're going to run the country. And Clinton won the popular vote; Trump was not "democratically elected". This is the exact same bullshit that happened between Gore and Bush in 2000. It's actually happened multiple times in our country's history where the electoral college has handed the election over to some other candidate entirely. You can ignore all this as much as you want, it doesn't change anything or mean anything. What will be, will be. If there's anything to be learned from 2016, especially as far as Brexit and now our election go, it's that literally anything can happen and it pays to be extremely cynical and pessimistic about future outcomes when there's so much at stake. "Wait and see" is not an intelligent mentality when you're faced with shitty prospects; preparedness is.

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51340971]The Electoral College isn't rigged ffs. The votes are based on the population of the state decided by the number of senators+representatives as well as the base 3 votes.[/QUOTE] But it's not proportional at all when it follows a "winner takes all" logic.

[QUOTE=Bazsil;51340938]Literally "its okay when we do it!!!" If you think people burning down local homes and businesses in one of the most unilaterally FOR-Hillary states give a shit, think again. They're just looking for an excuse, just like when they riot over thugs and criminals getting bodied.[/QUOTE] We don't see eye to eye but I 100% agree with this, rioting was never the answer no matter who won or lost the election. It's just that some of us are amazed that stuff like 53% of white women voted for Donald "grab em by the pussy" Trump because I dont get what kind of Stockholm Syndrome makes people do this after the shit he pulled I can understand the disaffected underclass who felt like they didn't have a voice voting for him sure enough but its that shit that blows my mind

[QUOTE=GunFox;51340495]We just elected a sociopath into power. Rioting is an understandable reaction.[/QUOTE] Just wait until they burn down a house with children in it. Still understandable and relatable am I right? Piss off with your bloodlust. The irony is that you are a sociopath as well.

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51340971]The Electoral College isn't rigged ffs. The votes are based on the population of the state decided by the number of senators+representatives as well as the base 3 votes.[/QUOTE] you mentioned why it's unfair the senators many states, were there to be only representatives distributed based on population (the house) would have fewer votes than they currently do. We have a LOT of small states with more votes than they proportionally deserve.

[QUOTE=Rika-chan;51340977]I'm not even worried about Trump, I'm worried about Pence. This presidency is going to be like W Bush's where the vice president is pulling all the strings and the president is just a figurehead[/QUOTE] Mike "convert the gays" Pence is human cancer who should have stayed permanently irrelevant Now we have him pulling the strings of sociopath Trump

[QUOTE=Claxx;51340405]Hell yeah let's riot because we don't get our own way![/QUOTE] More like: Let's riot because over 65% percent of our voters voted Hillary but the election got decided by some state with less than a fifth of our votes thanks to the electoral college.

[QUOTE=GunFox;51340495]We just elected a sociopath into power. Rioting is an understandable reaction.[/QUOTE] No, not really. Rioting is always unnecessary. Protesting is an understandable reaction. [QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;51341032]More like: Let's riot because over 65% percent of our voters voted Hillary but the election got decided by some state with less than a fifth of our votes thanks to the electoral college.[/QUOTE] Where did you get 65% from? Everything I'm seeing is 59.3 Million votes Clinton, 59.2 Million votes Trump.

What I see is pure "self-fulfilling prophesy" type of shit. Right now the problem is not him, it's [B]YOU[/B].

[QUOTE=TK 421;51341033]No, not really. Rioting is always unnecessary. Protesting is an understandable reaction.[/QUOTE] Such a comfortable life we live eh [QUOTE=maniacykt;51341038]What I see is pure "self-fulfilling prophesy" type of shit. Right now the problem is not him, it's [B]YOU[/B].[/QUOTE] True, liberals reap what they sowed. The whole "Urban Vs. Rural" shit finally backlashed

[QUOTE=TK 421;51341033]No, not really. Rioting is always unnecessary. Protesting is an understandable reaction. Where did you get 65% from? Everything I'm seeing is 59.3 Million votes Clinton, 59.2 Million votes Trump.[/QUOTE] California is deep blue. 62% of us voted for clinton.

[QUOTE=Claxx;51340405]Hell yeah let's riot because we don't get our own way![/QUOTE] *Except for the 130,000 extra people who voted for Hillary but still lost because Trump got the electoral college.