Anti-Trump demonstrators set fires, break windows in California - Polidicks

[QUOTE=wewt!;51342380]The left needs to get its shit together and prepare to be a competent oposition to Trump's dumber policies for the next four years, and in the meanwhile fix its corruption and authoritarian ideology so that they regain the trust of the working class that put Trump into power. Trump winning is the left's fault.[/QUOTE] Corruption isnt going to go anywhere imo, if anything it'll just get worse thanks to Dolan Trump and his tame congressmen, you can try to minimize it as best as you can but even then it won't work if the establishment isn't going to let you do anything about it (see Clinton winning the primaries when Sanders would have not fucked the democrats over) [editline]10th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=MR-X;51342382]The country spoke and said they wanted trump. He won and also got popular vote. So deal with it. Everyone was saying that trump supporters would have been up in arms and now look how the tables have turned. Wait till he takes office and see what the government does. Trump could have a total change of heart in how things will be handled based on all the information he has access too now.[/QUOTE] Trump, have a change of heart? He changed his policies because he was afraid of backlash among his vote bank, not because he felt that he was being too far out of line Everything he's done so far has proved he doesnt care what the average American thinks or what his presidency will do to the minorities, so why should we be so confident he wont do whatever he likes thanks to his tame Congress?

[QUOTE=wewt!;51342380]The left needs to get its shit together and prepare to be a competent oposition to Trump's dumber policies for the next four years, and in the meanwhile fix its corruption and authoritarian ideology so that they regain the trust of the working class that put Trump into power. Trump winning is the left's fault.[/QUOTE] Yeah they do. Resistance across the board is going to be necessary now that we've not only got to deal with Trump, but a Republican-dominated Senate and House too. That's one thing I always felt sad about when it came to the Occupy movement: they had all the heart in the world, they had the anger and the will, but they just couldn't get organized properly and didn't prepare themselves for the challenges they were faced with. So the movement failed in the end. I went to a rally of theirs in Boston in October 2011. In November, I went to see Denver's Occupy protests. The one in Boston was woefully equipped for the winter, and the cops came in like a week after I was there and shut it down because of drugs. A bunch of people had left by that time though because it was just too cold. Denver was better, but the city went in and moved all the people out. And they complied with it mostly; they didn't assert themselves at all. You had a few people that did, but they were just pepper-sprayed and forgotten. It was not only material and physical unpreparedness either, they had terrible issues with leadership and organizational structure. The movement itself was fighting for a good cause-- it just couldn't get anything done though because of the issues I've highlighted.

I don't get it, if the Electoral votes are the only ones that matter then whats the point of regular people voting? I'm missing anything?

[QUOTE=Xubs;51342163]They won't care because the gays, muslims, and mexicans got what they deserved, ultimately[/QUOTE] People's black and white views of the opposition's supporters are disturbing, on both sides.

[QUOTE=MR-X;51342382]The country spoke and said they wanted trump. He won and also got popular vote. So deal with it. Everyone was saying that trump supporters would have been up in arms and now look how the tables have turned. Wait till he takes office and see what the government does. Trump could have a total change of heart in how things will be handled based on all the information he has access too now.[/QUOTE] he didn't win the popular vote, for the record, unless some 150000+ votes were pulled out of someone's ass

[QUOTE=BF;51340449]Many of them probably didn't even vote. Hell I reckon that's how Trump managed to win. A lot of the Clinton supporters probably saw how Clinton was smashing Trump in poll after poll, so they figured 'why should I bother wait in line to vote for Clinton if she's going to win anyways' - and there we have a repeat of the same mistake that millenials made in the Brexit.[/QUOTE] actually, Clinton won the popular vote but in the end that didn't actually matter because Trump won by electoral vote [editline]9th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=MR-X;51342382]The country spoke and said they wanted trump. He won and also [B]got popular vote[/B].[/QUOTE] This is blatantly wrong, what are you DOING

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51342072]Trump supporters don't care about LGBT rights. Just wait until the hardship of the working poor and middle class inevitably increases under a Trump presidency.[/QUOTE] I'm gay though and I'm fairly sure I won't be having my rights beat down.

[QUOTE=Sleeves;51342658]I'm gay though and I'm fairly sure I won't be having my rights beat down.[/QUOTE] Put on the blinders and scream about how everyone is wrong all you want, my guy. [editline]9th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=MR-X;51342382]He won and also got popular vote.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/fMU4GJR.png[/IMG] Really looking forward to 4 more years of Trump's supporters lying and ignoring facts. That's gonna be real fun.

[QUOTE=KaptonJack;51342671]Put on the blinders and scream about how everyone is wrong all you want, my guy. [editline]9th November 2016[/editline] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/fMU4GJR.png[/IMG] Really looking forward to 4 more years of Trump's supporters lying and ignoring facts. That's gonna be real fun.[/QUOTE] I was mistaken about the popular vote thing. My bad. I'm really looking forward to 4 years of Clinton supporters who are constantly crying. But meanwhile there will always be a job for the Clinton supporters at the salt mines.

[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;51342492]People's black and white views of the opposition's supporters are disturbing, on both sides.[/QUOTE] It's the impression I've gotten in the past twelve hours or so interacting with Trump supporters here. Xubs is absolutely right; they might not be openly racist or homophobic, but they do seem to genuinely not care.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;51340505]Yeah, I would. The difference is these riots are fueled by current and impending injustice. Trumpanzee riots would be fueled by propaganda and lies of "rigged elections".[/QUOTE] You realized this is fueled by media propaganda as well right?

[QUOTE=MR-X;51342756]I was mistaken about the popular vote thing. My bad. I'm really looking forward to 4 years of Clinton supporters who are constantly crying. But meanwhile there will always be a job for the Clinton supporters at the salt mines.[/QUOTE] We are no longer Clinton supporters as she is no longer running. Trump winning was not the end. It was the beginning.

[QUOTE=Whomobile;51340397]What they should be burning is Florida.[/QUOTE] Oh stop, Florida wouldn't have saved Hillary and has always been a contested state. She lost the entire blue wall, states that were solid blue since before most of us were even born. This hate hard on for Florida is insufferable. How can you even blame Florida when Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin went red?

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51342072]Trump supporters don't care about LGBT rights. Just wait until the hardship of the working poor and middle class inevitably increases under a Trump presidency.[/QUOTE] You realize a lot of LGBT people voted for Trump right? I am tired of you pulling out race and sexuality and yelling at white men, it didn't work for the democrats and it makes you look like a child. [editline]9th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Minimal;51341983]Exactly this. This Election is the worst Modern America has ever seen. Many of us are tired being silenced and hushed by Baby Boomers and having no voice. This election is not about the common American. It is a unfair system that only works for the politicians and lobbyists. I work everyday, 40 hours a week, I don't make enough to live on my own. I should have a voice. I feel like I dont. Riots are non avoidable for government reform. Its sad we have to resort to it but there is no other way.[/QUOTE] You had plenty of voice, the media was speaking for all of you. If you didn't notice they were all against trump and lobbying the shit out of Hillary. But she lost right? So you need to change the narrative in your head about what happened. Riots don't do shit for government reform.

[QUOTE=igamiwarr;51342825]You realize a lot of LGBT people voted for Trump right? I am tired of you pulling out race and sexuality and yelling at white men, it didn't work for the democrats and it makes you look like a child. [editline]9th November 2016[/editline] You had plenty of voice, the media was speaking for all of you. If you didn't notice they were all against trump and lobbying the shit out of Hillary. But she lost right? So you need to change the narrative in your head about what happened. Riots don't do shit for government reform.[/QUOTE] They voted for Trump because they got misinformed a lot and thought that Trump was the least worst. Hell, a polish friend of mine said that Trump was gonna lift the immigration policies. And also, both candidates were awful.

[QUOTE=igamiwarr;51342825]You realize a lot of LGBT people voted for Trump right? I am tired of you pulling out race and sexuality and yelling at white men, it didn't work for the democrats and it makes you look like a child.[/QUOTE] So uhh, gonna give us numbers on this "lots"? Trumps voters were demonstrably white, male, Christians who will not feel the effects of his policy anywhere near as much as other groups. Followed closely by white, female Christians who will feel it when they need a fucking abortion at any point or want some form of actual respect (generally when you vote a populist retard like this into power, the racists and sexists who he pandered too feel validated and start being awful in public, we saw it with Brexit, we've seen it throughout the EU, it's a likely outcome). And I know you're not going to read it but here's a source for that; [url]http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/[/url] In general, white males with no real education voted for Trump. Anyone outside of that on average would not have voted for Trump. Your turn. How many is "lots" and where can I find this information?

[QUOTE=hexpunK;51342875]So uhh, gonna give us numbers on this "lots"? Trumps voters were demonstrably white, male, Christians who will not feel the effects of his policy anywhere near as much as other groups. Followed closely by white, female Christians who will feel it when they need a fucking abortion at any point or want some form of actual respect (generally when you vote a populist retard like this into power, the racists and sexists who he pandered too feel validated and start being awful in public, we saw it with Brexit, we've seen it throughout the EU, it's a likely outcome). And I know you're not going to read it but here's a source for that; [url]http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/[/url] In general, white males with no real education voted for Trump. Anyone outside of that on average would not have voted for Trump. Your turn. How many is "lots" and where can I find this information?[/QUOTE] No real education? What a laugh, listen to yourself. [quote]College-educated whites White college graduates made up 37 percent of voters 49 percent of them voted for Trump, while 45 percent voted for Clinton. 54 percent of college-educated white men voted Trump. 45 percent of college-educated white women chose Trump, while 51 percent chose Clinton. This is the only white demographic tracked by the exit poll that Trump didn’t win. Non-college-educated whites Whites without a college degree made up 34 percent of voters 67 percent of them voted for Trump Of the women in this group, 62 percent voted for Trump And men voted 72 percent for Trump [url]https://news.vice.com/story/white-people-voted-to-elect-donald-trump[/url] [/quote]

[QUOTE=igamiwarr;51342825]You realize a lot of LGBT people voted for Trump right? I am tired of you pulling out race and sexuality and yelling at white men, it didn't work for the democrats and it makes you look like a child. [/QUOTE] Quantify "lots" also where the fuck did you get race from? [editline]9th November 2016[/editline] I don't think I've once made a racial argument for or against either candidate so I have no idea where you fished that out.

Idk about you all but something tells me that we're gonna have a New California Republic really soon. And they are even right to do so.

[QUOTE=MR-X;51342961]No real education? What a laugh, listen to yourself.[/QUOTE] You uhh...didn't prove me wrong there guy. 49% (pretty close to half, but not quite) is not a majority of college educated whites. Therefore, statistically a college educated white person is somewhere in the middle. The second you strip that college education off, they are much more likely (significantly so actually) to vote for Trump. Across both genders. Men are still more likely to vote for Trump of the two because they're even less likely to suffer under his policies. White people are significantly more likely to vote for him because they are less likely to suffer under his policies. You literally didn't prove me wrong, if anything you just gave me sources that aid my own claim. Reel it in a bit.

[QUOTE=MarcusSmith;51342996]Idk about you all but something tells me that we're gonna have a New California Republic really soon. And they are even right to do so.[/QUOTE] Californians, you know what to do. [IMG]http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/8/80/NCR_Ranger_combat_armor.png/revision/latest?cb=20120413155430[/IMG] Make these motherfuckers a reality.

[QUOTE=MarcusSmith;51342996]Idk about you all but something tells me that we're gonna have a New California Republic really soon. And they are even right to do so.[/QUOTE] Really a victory for the left in California and the right in the rest of the country.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;51342875] Your turn. How many is "lots" and where can I find this information?[/QUOTE] There are no accurate stats for this so I am not exactly sure how you expect me to respond to this? [QUOTE=Raidyr;51342972]Quantify "lots" also where the fuck did you get race from? [editline]9th November 2016[/editline] I don't think I've once made a racial argument for or against either candidate so I have no idea where you fished that out.[/QUOTE] If you want to give me the number go ahead and do it.

[QUOTE=igamiwarr;51343035]There are no accurate stats for this so I am not exactly sure how you expect me to respond to this? If you want to give me the number go ahead and do it.[/QUOTE] I'm more interested in your obsession with race.

[QUOTE=igamiwarr;51343035]There are no accurate stats for this so I am not exactly sure how you expect me to respond to this?[/QUOTE] I expect you to provide me a source with this "lots" you apparently know about. if you can't do something that simple. don't fucking use it as an argument

"FUCKING WHITE MALE! -Hexpunk

[QUOTE=krakadict;51343105]"FUCKING WHITE MALE! -Hexpunk[/QUOTE] yeah man fuck whitey. [he posts as he himself whites it the fuck up every day because melanin levels in Europeans are pretty low]

[QUOTE=igamiwarr;51342825]Riots don't do shit for government reform.[/QUOTE] Riots do a lot actually. Most of all, they send a clear message: the people are unhappy, they're extremely frustrated to the point where they're physically showing it, and unless you start working for them then things will get worse. It makes the people in power afraid, for their jobs as well as for their lives (when things escalate to violence I mean). However, having said that, uncoordinated riots are bad. Those are the kind most people think of when they hear the word "riot": masses of people running around just doing whatever they feel like without a clear goal in mind. That's what these people in the OP are, and while their passion is admirable, they're doing it wrong. Coordinated riots have targets that they attack, goals clearly defined, and they are actually thought-out. They are fine for encouraging reform; mobs of angry people who know what they're doing and what they want have changed history again and again when you look back through it. That's what the people in the OP should attempt to organize. That's not to say that protest doesn't have a place, but I'm sorry to have to tell you that protests truthfully don't accomplish much in general. They inconvenience some people for a while, everybody talks about them for a bit, but then they stop being relevant and everybody forgets/moves on with their lives like it wasn't a big deal to begin with.

[QUOTE=MR-X;51342756]I was mistaken about the popular vote thing. My bad. I'm really looking forward to 4 years of Clinton supporters who are constantly crying. But meanwhile there will always be a job for the Clinton supporters at the salt mines.[/QUOTE] I really dislike this kind of gloating. It isn't positive celebration - it's celebration of other people's distress and frustration, not celebration of your own success. What's so difficult about celebrating your success without finding joy in other peoples' disappointment? If Hillary had won, I wouldn't be gloating. I'd be breathing a long sigh of relief. Nothing more.

[QUOTE=Govna;51340994]You're going to be totally wrong. The positions the man ran on alone and the rhetoric that he whipped his followers up with proves it, not to mention his background and Pence's background. And the problem with this kind of mentality is that it asks us to disarm to be passive when we need to be more vigilant and prepared than ever. "Wait and see" is an extremely dangerous mindset when you're faced with these kinds of people who are openly bigoted and don't actually have any concrete plans about how they're going to run the country. And Clinton won the popular vote; Trump was not "democratically elected". This is the exact same bullshit that happened between Gore and Bush in 2000. It's actually happened multiple times in our country's history where the electoral college has handed the election over to some other candidate entirely. You can ignore all this as much as you want, it doesn't change anything or mean anything. What will be, will be. If there's anything to be learned from 2016, especially as far as Brexit and now our election go, it's that literally anything can happen and it pays to be extremely cynical and pessimistic about future outcomes when there's so much at stake. "Wait and see" is not an intelligent mentality when you're faced with shitty prospects; preparedness is.[/QUOTE] To that end, let's riot in one of the only states that voted unilaterally blue? "Florida voted Trump! Let's fuck up California, that will show them!" You're going to need a better plan than that when you start your militia, pal. You should take your armed militia down to Florida and attack centers of government instead if you actually wanna get something done, assuming that you don't get slaughtered by National Guard first.