Anti-Trump demonstrators set fires, break windows in California - Polidicks

[QUOTE=space1;51345187]thanks for showing us that you own a thesaurus[/QUOTE] those aren't obscure words, he's just using ye oldde speake

You know as somebody who is [U]openly[/U] in favor of the people's right to revolt against a tyrannical government, I have to say this talk about a revolution is hilarious. Well, not hilarious as in ha ha funny but hilarious in that I'm just shaking my head right now. Most of you (just reading off the names of people who agree with it) thought my posts were just so awful and I was a paranoid nut for saying that maybe, someday, it might be necessary. Hmm, seems necessary now according to you. Yet for those of us with the means (guns, explosives, etc) and the know-how (practice, training, education, etc) we all know that it's a last resort. Like you need to exhaust [I]all the other options[/I] before you pick that one, it's not something you just go "yep start shootin at the govt now lmao!!" because that's insane. I think you should have been paying attention when I talked about this stuff because I said plainly [I]multiple[/I] times that this shit is unacceptable right up until it isn't, when you are literally without any other choice then yes you should start getting your guns. Except none of you [I]have[/I] guns, or I'm pretty sure you don't, so the discussion is pointless since the civil war you want to kick off will not go well for you. Guess who overwhelmingly voted for Trump or third party because of 2nd Amendment concerns? I assure you it wasn't non-violence activists. For those of you with enough sense to say no, that's not how things should go, good job. I'm glad to see sense prevailing, because the subject matter is quite literally deadly serious.

[QUOTE=Eonart;51344980]its not about whether he was offended or not, it was about how immature and insane people are behaving and attempting to guilt trip people instead of calmly making discussion and being convincing without making any toxic remarks [editline]10th November 2016[/editline] Shit like that is why many people voted third party.[/QUOTE] I can't possibly imagine basing my vote off of what anonymous shitposters on the internet say. I can't imagine my values and convictions being [I]that brittle.[/I]

Oh and those of you thinking violence is the best reaction to a president who [B]hasn't even assumed office yet[/B] I must remind you that I don't see [I]any[/I] of you suggesting going to areas full of Trump voters. Presumably this is because you know fully well you'll get rightfully shot if you start shit there. You're posturing and you look like unhinged idiots.

I hope that for everyone's sake next election has people treating each other a little better, regardless of what they think about their political opinions. Vindicating people clearly made a huge effect on Trump's popularity, and honestly, Facepunch was a part of it. Everyone was. Calling people 'Deplorables' is a prime example, trump voters just took it into themselves and used it to rally people like them. Or calling them [B][I]all [/I][/B]bigots, homophobes, idiots, etc.

Most of the news stations are just looping Obama's speech for reconciling with Trump. Lol

[QUOTE=Eonart;51345458]its not anonymous people driving people away from hillary[/QUOTE] Seems to have driven him away, given what he said in the post I originally replied to.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;51345241]You know as somebody who is [U]openly[/U] in favor of the people's right to revolt against a tyrannical government, I have to say this talk about a revolution is hilarious. Well, not hilarious as in ha ha funny but hilarious in that I'm just shaking my head right now. Most of you (just reading off the names of people who agree with it) thought my posts were just so awful and I was a paranoid nut for saying that maybe, someday, it might be necessary. Hmm, seems necessary now according to you. Yet for those of us with the means (guns, explosives, etc) and the know-how (practice, training, education, etc) we all know that it's a last resort. Like you need to exhaust [I]all the other options[/I] before you pick that one, it's not something you just go "yep start shootin at the govt now lmao!!" because that's insane. I think you should have been paying attention when I talked about this stuff because I said plainly [I]multiple[/I] times that this shit is unacceptable right up until it isn't, when you are literally without any other choice then yes you should start getting your guns. Except none of you [I]have[/I] guns, or I'm pretty sure you don't, so the discussion is pointless since the civil war you want to kick off will not go well for you. Guess who overwhelmingly voted for Trump or third party because of 2nd Amendment concerns? I assure you it wasn't non-violence activists. For those of you with enough sense to say no, that's not how things should go, good job. I'm glad to see sense prevailing, because the subject matter is quite literally deadly serious.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;51345246]Oh and those of you thinking violence is the best reaction to a president who [B]hasn't even assumed office yet[/B] I must remind you that I don't see [I]any[/I] of you suggesting going to areas full of Trump voters. Presumably this is because you know fully well you'll get rightfully shot if you start shit there. You're posturing and you look like unhinged idiots.[/QUOTE] You completely misunderstood the thing that made people think you were a nut. Let me highlight some of it for you in these very posts. [quote][U]openly[/U] in favor of the people's right to revolt against a tyrannical government[/quote] [quote]maybe, someday, it might be necessary.[/quote] [quote]those of us with the means (guns, explosives, etc) and the know-how (practice, training, education, etc)[/quote] [quote]Presumably this is because you know fully well you'll get rightfully shot[/quote] and just for shits and giggles lets do a quick cross-thread quote for this little gem [QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;51345346][quote]lgbt folks are scared because we know what's coming.[/quote] Then get a gun and join the [I]many[/I] LGBT firearm owners who refuse to be victims.[/QUOTE] You somehow jumped from people causing damage in misguided protesting (and assuming they represent everybody) to talks of fucking armed revolt and murder.

[QUOTE=Pretty Obscure;51345509]You completely misunderstood the thing that made people think you were a nut. Let me highlight some of it for you in these very posts.[/QUOTE]I sense somebody is [I]offended![/I] So much so that the point sailed waaaaay over your head and now the Russians are tracking it over Siberia. [QUOTE]You somehow jumped from people causing damage in misguided protesting (and assuming they represent everybody) to talks of fucking armed revolt and murder.[/QUOTE]See it's comments like this and the above that make me just disregard everything you've said as pointless bitching from an insufferable guy on the internet. You [I]can[/I] read, I know you can, so let's examine why and how you fucked up: [QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;51345241]I have to say this talk about a revolution is hilarious. Well, not hilarious as in ha ha funny but hilarious in that I'm just shaking my head right now.[/QUOTE]Oh what could I have possibly meant by this! [I]Perhaps I was referring to a prior discussion in the thread![/I] Let's go back to page one.[QUOTE=Coyoteze;51340401]Good. A revolt is needed. This election has been utter shit and it ended even worse.[/QUOTE] Post number fucking fourteen in and we have that "jump" you assert that I've made. Huh. Look at that. Looks like I wasn't just rambling about armed revolt for absolutely no reason. Perhaps if we look... oh dear. [QUOTE=Coyoteze;51340505]Yeah, I would. The difference is these riots are fueled by current and impending injustice. Trumpanzee riots would be fueled by propaganda and lies of "rigged elections".[/QUOTE][I]Another?[/I] [QUOTE=MrBacon;51340516]It's the perfect time for some good old street brawls and stone throwing.[/QUOTE]Close, I think this might count as more than "misguided protesting" as you put it. [QUOTE=SebiWarrior;51340582]For once, I'm in the position to say that it's okay if you're one of Trump's targets[/QUOTE]What's this then? Hmm. Well that does it for page one let's see what's on page tw-- [QUOTE=Govna;51340646]Protests are not going to get us anywhere, that much is evident.[/QUOTE]Oh that isn't so ba-- [QUOTE=Govna;51340646]People [i]need[/i] to get radical now. They need to fight back, and they really need to start organizing and structuralizing themselves so they can fight back effectively.[/QUOTE]Okay, yeah. I can get behind that, being organized is great. *star* [QUOTE=Coyoteze;51340688]Even more reason to revolt. The people didn't get who they voted for. Change is urgently needed. Your country needs a reform.[/QUOTE]There's that [I]word[/I] again, "revolt." Hmm! Let's get back to the [I]very special[/I] statement that kicked off this adventure: [QUOTE=Pretty Obscure;51345509]You somehow jumped from people causing damage in misguided protesting (and assuming they represent everybody) to talks of fucking armed revolt and murder.[/QUOTE] So tell me, "Pretty Obscure" is this plain enough for you or do I need to go through pages three through five? I can if you want. I think this isn't so much about my post(s) here but instead how you're just so goddamn assmad about what I said in that other thread. Tough tits, buddy! I eagerly await your bumbling response about why not paying attention is okay because... reasons... and how you [I]totally[/I] knew all of that and it was just a prank bro. Or maybe you'll backpedal or try to save face in another way. Mostly I want you to respond so I can question why you posted in the first place, I'm pretty sure it was just an angry shitpost you pinched off in a fit of internet rage, but I'll still ask anyway because it seems like a fun thing to do.

lmao [editline]I don't even care if I get a ban for this[/editline] :ok: [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Why reply" - Novangel))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51345245]I can't possibly imagine basing my vote off of what anonymous shitposters on the internet say. I can't imagine my values and convictions being [I]that brittle.[/I][/QUOTE] It's a reflection of what we see in real life too. I've personally had some extremely negative interactions with leftist groups in the last few years. To the extent that I will never again under any circumstance life a finger to support any LGBT or other minority group outside of a voting booth. [QUOTE=Raidyr;51343905]No what you are is a thin-skinned hypocrite who saw mean words on the internet and abstained from voting you apparently agreed with because those mean posts made you feel bad on the inside.[/QUOTE] Even now, you personally are trying to shit on people for daring to disagree with anything you say. You are doing exactly what the left has been doing for decades. You are attempting to censor discussion and quash discourse by applying nonsensical and farcically incoherent labels to those who disagree with you. And you see nothing wrong with that. That is why Trump is the president. Because you on the left have refused to engage, and made people feel oppressed and threatened. And now here you are complaining that they felt threatened enough to dare responding in kind. If you truly want to fix this instead of bleating about it, you might want to take a good hard look at a mirror.

I think there's a lot of factors that led to Trump's victory, and you can pin down the left being too hard on conservatives or whatever as one if you want, but to pretend that it's [I]the[/I] thing that caused him to win is kind of ridiculous. I think the underlying racism and xenophobia in our country is probably an even bigger reason for why Trump won. The Electoral College, like it or not, is also a huge reason why he won, among plenty of other things. [editline]....................................[/editline] [QUOTE=Zephyrs;51345990]It's a reflection of what we see in real life too. I've personally had some extremely negative interactions with leftist groups in the last few years. To the extent that I will never again under any circumstance life a finger to support any LGBT or other minority group outside of a voting booth.[/QUOTE] With attitudes like this it's honestly not hard to see why you probably aren't getting great reactions from people. When human rights are on the line, maybe you shouldn't be turning this into some kind of game of spite. Honest advice.

[QUOTE=Katska;51346038]I think there's a lot of factors that led to Trump's victory, and you can pin down the left being too hard on conservatives or whatever as one if you want, but to pretend that it's [I]the[/I] thing that caused him to win is kind of ridiculous. I think the underlying racism and xenophobia in our country is probably an even bigger reason for why Trump won. The Electoral College, like it or not, is also a huge reason why he won, among plenty of other things. [/QUOTE] The racism and xenophobia angle is what caused a shitload of momentum towards the Trump vote in the first place. People don't like being labeled as shit, people don't like being censored and stigmatized for their views. You realize that the electoral college is there for a reason right? If it didn't exist the election would look completely different, and so would every election. Instead of focus on the largest amount of the country the focus would literally just be on the highest population cities in America ignoring 90% of the landmass.

[QUOTE=igamiwarr;51346075]The racism and xenophobia angle is what caused a shitload of momentum towards the Trump vote in the first place. People don't like being labeled as shit, people don't like being censored and stigmatized for their views.[/QUOTE] Sorry, but it's difficult for me to feel sympathetic towards bigots who want to play the victim when people tell them to cut the crap. I'm not going to sugarcoat it here, if you're going to be a hateful bigot, then that's shitty. You can't hide behind this "but it's just my opinion~~" excuse, especially now when we have a government poised to discriminate as they see fit against a myriad of marginalized groups. These things have very real consequences. Don't think for a second that people should just ignore you and take this stuff lying down. I personally try not to be too harsh in my words when arguing with people, because ultimately, I do believe that it's much harder to get through to someone if you just dismiss them entirely. But a lot of you guys make it [I]very[/I] difficult, especially now. And I'm not at all convinced that most of the same people who cry about it now wouldn't pull the same crocodile tears even if people [I]were[/I] more "tolerant" of them. Because in the end, what other defense do you have? [QUOTE=igamiwarr;51346075]You realize that the electoral college is there for a reason right? If it didn't exist the election would look completely different, and so would every election. Instead of focus on the largest amount of the country the focus would literally just be on the highest population cities in America ignoring 90% of the landmass.[/QUOTE] Which is why I said "like it or not". It doesn't matter if you think it should be here or not, if the election was decided based on the popular vote, Clinton would have won.

Monkeys's way to show they are right. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Racism" - Pascall))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Katska;51346038]With attitudes like this it's honestly not hard to see why you probably aren't getting great reactions from people. When human rights are on the line, maybe you shouldn't be turning this into some kind of game of spite. Honest advice.[/QUOTE] I'm not going to go out of my way to engage with groups that have told me to my face that I should be castrated, or that because I'm white I'm not allowed to voice an opinion. If you want to bury your head in the sand and be tolerant of those among you who behave like that, that's your choice to make. Don't expect me to get involved if that's the path you've decided to walk down. I don't need you, and I'm not going to hurt myself, or even allow myself to be put in a position to be hurt, just so that I can try to help you. There's no game of spite involved. Let me say it again. [b]I don't need you.[/b] I will help because I [b]want[/b] to. Telling me I should be castrated, or just treating me exceptionally poorly in general, are both great ways to ensure that I no longer want to help. [QUOTE=Katska;51346139][B]Sorry, but it's difficult for me to feel sympathetic towards bigots who want to play the victim when people tell them to cut the crap.[/B] I'm not going to sugarcoat it here, if you're going to be a hateful bigot, then that's shitty. You can't hide behind this "but it's just my opinion~~" excuse, especially now when we have a government poised to discriminate as they see fit against a myriad of marginalized groups. These things have very real consequences. Don't think for a second that people should just ignore you and take this stuff lying down.[/QUOTE] The irony here is astounding. The bolded is literally how most people have come to view the left. I genuinely do not understand how you cannot see something so obvious. The left has acted incredibly bigoted of late, and has refused to call out it's own negative members. You refuse to see this and are still claiming moral superiority while you stand beside people that are openly racist, sexist, and homophobic. The right has demons of it's own, but they are compartmentalized and segregated into different groups that have minimal overlap. The left has come to be a homogeneous blob where anyone putting a toe out of line is labeled a misogynist, or some equivalent. I'm heavily left leaning and even I see this as an ongoing issue with the left.

Right now, a ton of students from a bunch of different schools in San Francisco are protesting outside of city hall. Embarcadero's blocked off too.

[QUOTE=Katska;51346139]Which is why I said "like it or not". It doesn't matter if you think it should be here or not, if the election was decided based on the popular vote, Clinton would have won.[/QUOTE]What the fuck is [I]this?[/I] No, Trump had absolutely no right getting as many votes as he did but unfortunately your entire post is pretty much the be-all, end-all of Democrats and the regressive left's "I'm right, so fuck yourself you shitlord!" attitude. [I]You people did this to yourselves![/I] You can cry about how that's oh so unfair and how you're not responsible because they're bigots so it's okay, but when this election was going on it was awful versus awful and the [U]only[/U] reason why Trump won is people flocked to him. You can whine about the popular vote and how the electoral college is so outdated but I know for a fucking fact you'd be singing a different tune if the roles were reversed. This wouldn't even be a discussion if the Republicans had put up a real candidate, Clinton was and is pure slimy corruption and it made [U]Donald[/U] [U]Trump[/U] look honest enough to elect. Don't act like this was some win stolen from you, all of you were warned fairly by leftists, centerists, conservatives, independents, Democrats, Republicans, and probably everyone in between and you either sat patiently by and watched your peers browbeat them or you did it yourself. Kyle902, Zephyrs, and plenty other people saw the writing on the wall and tried to stop it but your peers yelled at them too. [I]You[/I] have blame in this, and pretending like you don't will not absolve you of it.

I seriously think that the thing that had the most impact on the outcome was not Clinton herself, it was the fanbase that hinged on to her, the authoritarian left that claims themselves to be liberal. They patronized and bullied so many people that huge chunk of moderates actually went right as a way to say "fuck you" to those people. Hell, I'm sure majority of 4chan is actually like that and that most of them don't even know Trump's policies. Like holy shit, I never really bothered that much to explore "deeper" US communities online but lately when I look into some Twitter and Facebook shit, the patronizing behavior towards white people and always trying to shift the blame towards them, I can't help but feel upset even tho I'm not American at all.

Imagine being retarded enough to reject a democratic vote

[QUOTE=Tasm;51349991]Imagine being retarded enough to reject a democratic vote[/QUOTE] If it were a Democratic vote, Hillary would have won. This isn't a Democratic vote, it's a Democratic Republic vote.

Very sad to see the same people calling out trump for his hateful policies are now condoning hatred and violence Every dictator thinks his atrocities are necessary for the greater good, you're not that different

Crossposting [QUOTE=Duck M.;51350062]We've tried to educate them. We've tried, and tried, and tried, and tried. You can see it here on Facepunch. We put up the facts constantly and whenever the Trump supporters hear them they put up a shield of denial if they dont just bow out completely. There are quite a few particular users here, not to name names, that were actually convinced that they were wrong and [I]voted for Trump anyways.[/I] There's a reason that Trump is the feels before reals candidate, and its because despite the overwhelming hard fact and scientific basis behind issues like the LGBT community, climate change, energy policy, political scandal, law enforcement, minority rights, immigration, you fucking name it, neither Trump nor his supporters can bring a convincing argument to the table. And now the tables have turned and everyone's finger-pointing at the left for being bullies to the silent majority? When Trumps true intentions are flooding through and his policies are starting to form, and people are saying that it isnt their fault and are refusing to take responsibility? You're right, the guy in the video is right, everyone is right when they say that all of Trumps supporters are not bigots, misogynists and homophobes. But they absolutely must take responsibility for whatever bad things happen to those groups that are affected because of what President Trump does and what rhetoric he pushes when he is in office. Outside of just the concrete policies that are being promised to be put into action that will harm us, so many hateful people and attitudes have been legitimized and will be legitimized for years and perhaps even decades to come because of the outcome of this election. I am (reasonably) ok with ignorance. But if you are educated on how his term will legitimately hurt me and my friends and still support Trump because of whatever conceited reason you push, then you are not ignorant, you're stubborn, and I have every right to look down on you for it. And if you are either ignorant, stubborn, or even hateful and do not take responsibility if/when we are hurt, then hopefully you'll reconsider playing the victim and see who the real victims actually are.[/QUOTE] I think that its irresponsible to start pointing fingers at the left for it being our fault for this whole mess. The only people that are responsible for whatever comes of this election is Donald Trump and the people that voted for him.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51350215]Crossposting I think that its irresponsible to start pointing fingers at the left for it being our fault for this whole mess. The only people that are responsible for whatever comes of this election is Donald Trump and the people that voted for him.[/QUOTE]I'll respond with an anecdote that sums up the situation perfectly: I was having a nice discussion with people about the upcoming election, and I was asked by an undecided voter why I'd choose third party. Before I could even finish a sentence somebody laughed and loudly said "typical Trumptard." I mentioned I was actually going to vote for Johnson, and he retorts with, "if you don't believe in Hillary you support bigotry and racism." That was one of the few times in my life where I was just so genuinely speechless that I couldn't even stammer out a response, it was just completely ridiculous. Plug your ears and scream all you want about how you did nothing wrong but the [I]reality is you people fucked up and now you need to learn how to live with the consequences.[/I]

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;51350301]I'll respond with an anecdote that sums up the situation perfectly: I was having a nice discussion with people about the upcoming election, and I was asked by an undecided voter why I'd choose third party. Before I could even finish a sentence somebody laughed and loudly said "typical Trumptard." I mentioned I was actually going to vote for Johnson, and he retorts with, "if you don't believe in Hillary you support bigotry and racism." That was one of the few times in my life where I was just so genuinely speechless that I couldn't even stammer out a response, it was just completely ridiculous. Plug your ears and scream all you want about how you did nothing wrong but the [I]reality is you people fucked up and now you need to learn how to live with the consequences.[/I][/QUOTE] So one person says something dumb and your reaction is to say "[U]all[/U] of you fucked up and its time to live with the consequences"? I hope you know how hilariously ironic that is given the circumstances of the discussion.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51350339]So one person says something dumb and your reaction is to say "[U]all[/U] of you fucked up and its time to live with the consequences"? I hope you know how hilariously ironic that is given the circumstances of the discussion.[/QUOTE] The consequence of supporting a shitty candidate like Clinton is that she can lose. You can't blame the republicans for Hillary being literally one of the only democrat politicians in the US of A that could lose to Trump and throwing an election as hard as she did.

[QUOTE=Zephyrs;51348354]I'm not going to go out of my way to engage with groups that have told me to my face that I should be castrated, or that because I'm white I'm not allowed to voice an opinion. If you want to bury your head in the sand and be tolerant of those among you who behave like that, that's your choice to make. Don't expect me to get involved if that's the path you've decided to walk down. I don't need you, and I'm not going to hurt myself, or even allow myself to be put in a position to be hurt, just so that I can try to help you. There's no game of spite involved. Let me say it again. [b]I don't need you.[/b] I will help because I [b]want[/b] to. Telling me I should be castrated, or just treating me exceptionally poorly in general, are both great ways to ensure that I no longer want to help. The irony here is astounding. The bolded is literally how most people have come to view the left. I genuinely do not understand how you cannot see something so obvious. The left has acted incredibly bigoted of late, and has refused to call out it's own negative members. You refuse to see this and are still claiming moral superiority while you stand beside people that are openly racist, sexist, and homophobic. The right has demons of it's own, but they are compartmentalized and segregated into different groups that have minimal overlap. The left has come to be a homogeneous blob where anyone putting a toe out of line is labeled a misogynist, or some equivalent. I'm heavily left leaning and even I see this as an ongoing issue with the left.[/QUOTE] I'm all for taking the time to try to sit down and calmly explain to people why I think they're wrong, but if someone who spouts, supports, or makes excuses for racist, misogynistic, or homophobic rhetoric doesn't like it when you call them racist, misogynistic, or homophobic, then what are you going to do. There's just no winning with people who are going to refuse to face the facts no matter what you say to them and turn around and call you the hateful one when you try to get them to face reality. It's becoming increasingly transparent that people just want to be able to say whatever they want without the consequence of criticism, and that's just not going to happen. We can't just sit back and let ignorance and hatred fester because it'd be too mean of us to confront people for it. Nothing would ever get better. I just don't buy the act. And, I'm sorry, but what am I supposed to say if you really think the "castrate all men" types have ever been anything more than an extreme minority that people latched onto as a scapegoat because they want to feel victimized? I tend not to waste my time and energy dealing with them because there's so little of them and they have so little influence that it'd be, well, a waste of time and energy. Do you honestly believe that people like that are remotely indicative of what "the left" is like as a whole? Even then, I've never tried to act like everyone on the left is a good person. That would be nonsensical, but the fact that there are toxic elements all across the political spectrum is not an excuse to have a tantrum and refuse to help those who are in need. It's not my responsibility to make sure everyone who remotely conforms to my worldviews are on their best behavior all the time just so people like you don't throw a fit. I'd still like to make things better on both sides when I can, but what it is you're asking of me is, quite frankly, ridiculous. [QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;51349702]What the fuck is [I]this?[/I] No, Trump had absolutely no right getting as many votes as he did but unfortunately your entire post is pretty much the be-all, end-all of Democrats and the regressive left's "I'm right, so fuck yourself you shitlord!" attitude. [I]You people did this to yourselves![/I] You can cry about how that's oh so unfair and how you're not responsible because they're bigots so it's okay, but when this election was going on it was awful versus awful and the [U]only[/U] reason why Trump won is people flocked to him. You can whine about the popular vote and how the electoral college is so outdated but I know for a fucking fact you'd be singing a different tune if the roles were reversed. This wouldn't even be a discussion if the Republicans had put up a real candidate, Clinton was and is pure slimy corruption and it made [U]Donald[/U] [U]Trump[/U] look honest enough to elect. Don't act like this was some win stolen from you, all of you were warned fairly by leftists, centerists, conservatives, independents, Democrats, Republicans, and probably everyone in between and you either sat patiently by and watched your peers browbeat them or you did it yourself. Kyle902, Zephyrs, and plenty other people saw the writing on the wall and tried to stop it but your peers yelled at them too. [I]You[/I] have blame in this, and pretending like you don't will not absolve you of it.[/QUOTE] My tone on the electoral college issue was meant to be as neutral as possible. I'm sorry that you read into it as me whining about it. I was simply trying to state in a matter-of-fact way that if it wasn't here, the result would have been different.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;51350301]I'll respond with an anecdote that sums up the situation perfectly: I was having a nice discussion with people about the upcoming election, and I was asked by an undecided voter why I'd choose third party. Before I could even finish a sentence somebody laughed and loudly said "typical Trumptard." I mentioned I was actually going to vote for Johnson, and he retorts with, "if you don't believe in Hillary you support bigotry and racism." That was one of the few times in my life where I was just so genuinely speechless that I couldn't even stammer out a response, it was just completely ridiculous. Plug your ears and scream all you want about how you did nothing wrong but the [I]reality is you people fucked up and now you need to learn how to live with the consequences.[/I][/QUOTE] We're talking about grown adults, not children. That guy is responsible for being a fuckwit. Trump voters are responsible for electing Trump. If that guy you're talking about said "It's not my fault I was an asshole. A Trump supporter called me a faggot and that made me mad, so it's Trump supporters' fault." you'd say he was full of shit.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51350339]So one person says something dumb and your reaction is to say "[U]all[/U] of you fucked up and its time to live with the consequences"? I hope you know how hilariously ironic that is given the circumstances of the discussion.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;51350301]I'll respond with an anecdote that sums up the situation perfectly:[/QUOTE][QUOTE]an anecdote that sums up the situation perfectly[/QUOTE][QUOTE]anecdote that sums up the situation[/QUOTE][QUOTE]sums up the situation[/QUOTE][QUOTE][B]sums up the situation[/B][/QUOTE][QUOTE]perfectly[/QUOTE][B][I]I KNOW YOU KNOW HOW TO FUCKING [U]READ[/U] SO DO IT.[/I][/B] I'm sorry I needed to go through all of that effort to highlight that but come on dude. Really. This behavior is precisely what I'm talking about! This snide addiction to getting some [I]totally sick zingers[/I] in rather than sitting back and considering that I just might possibly have a point here. People on your [I]own side[/I] are echoing my words and one of them was pretty much flat-out called a Trump voter on this very page. Like you're actively proving my point here in real time. I feel so sad for the Democrats who are powerless to stop this insanity that they're stuck to, if I couldn't find humor elsewhere that would really get me down. [editline]I have a feeling I'll get ignored but whatever[/editline] Like it's this redirection that's pushed people away from being on "your side" and I'm sorry but there isn't any other way to make you see it. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Calm down? why are you so mad?" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Zephyrs;51348354] There's no game of spite involved. Let me say it again. [b]I don't need you.[/b] I will help because I [b]want[/b] to. Telling me I should be castrated, or just treating me exceptionally poorly in general, are both great ways to ensure that I no longer want to help. [/QUOTE] So you're completely insensitive to peoples issues that arent your own and are willing to waver in standing up for the rights and well-being of others just because somebody hurt your feelings. I know its an oversimplification but come on man, I just cant respect your general attitude on this.