Police clash with anti-NATO protesters outside the NATO Summit in Chicago; 45 arrested - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;36048948] Nomatter what the cops do, they'll be critisized to hell and back for it.[/QUOTE] well that's the way it's supposed to be.

[QUOTE=thisispain;36049079]well that's the way it's supposed to be.[/QUOTE] Critique should at least show ways they can improve, but this doesn't. Instead all it does is paint them in a bad light, and [I]nothing[/I] they do will change that.

the point isn't to improve, the point is to limit power and make sure that the scrutiny lies on them and always on them.

[QUOTE=thisispain;36049171]the point isn't to improve, the point is to limit power and make sure that the scrutiny lies on them and always on them.[/QUOTE] Constant scrutiny will lead to constant distrust, even when it's right and needed, though.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36049177]Constant scrutiny will lead to constant distrust, even when it's right and needed, though.[/QUOTE] there won't be distrust if the police does the job they are supposed to do. black people didn't start distrusting police for no reason.

[QUOTE=thisispain;36049215]there won't be distrust if the police does the job they are supposed to do. black people didn't start distrusting police for no reason.[/QUOTE] If they're constantly scrutinized, even when doing the job they're suppose to, then there will be constant distrust.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36049224]If they're constantly scrutinized, even when doing the job they're suppose to, then there will be constant distrust.[/QUOTE] how so? and if they do the job they are supposed to anyway, then the distrust wouldn't matter that much

[QUOTE=thisispain;36049242]how so? and if they do the job they are supposed to anyway, then the distrust wouldn't matter that much[/QUOTE] "If you haven't anything to hide, you shouldn't have anything to worry about" isn't really fair. I wouldn't want to be a police officer if I had to constantly worry about every single word and action I did may be found to be an error, even in some minor pointless way, and get in trouble. I know you're thinking that it'll eradicate the major abuses of power - but they almost always get heard about anyway. Why put undue pressure on the many innocent, good policemen?

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36049278]I wouldn't want to be a police officer if I had to constantly worry about every single word and action I did may be found to be an error, even in some minor pointless way, and get in trouble.[/QUOTE] then you aren't cut out to be a police officer. the notion of privacy changes when you work for the people in a society. [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36049278]I know you're thinking that it'll eradicate the major abuses of power - but they almost always get heard about anyway. Why put undue pressure on the many innocent, good policemen?[/QUOTE] it's better than the opposite, which is a severe lack of scrutiny which turns the police into a mysterious and oppressive force.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36049224]If they're constantly scrutinized, even when doing the job they're suppose to, then there will be constant distrust.[/QUOTE] I think there [i]should[/i] be healthy distrust of police. Remember that these are people who are sanctioned by the government to use force as they see fit, with few limits. An officer may not be a bad person, but I sure as hell am not going to trust them just because they are an officer. A good rule of thumb is, if the person in question has the means to easily end your life right there, it is safer not to fully trust the person. [editline]22nd May 2012[/editline] That doesn't mean police are always wrong, but they should be held to a higher level of scrutiny because of the power and responsibility their position grants them.

[QUOTE=thisispain;36049310]then you aren't cut out to be a police officer. the notion of privacy changes when you work for the people in a society. it's better than the opposite, which is a severe lack of scrutiny which turns the police into a mysterious and oppressive force.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=yawmwen;36049345]I think there [i]should[/i] be healthy distrust of police. Remember that these are people who are sanctioned by the government to use force as they see fit, with few limits. An officer may not be a bad person, but I sure as hell am not going to trust them just because they are an officer. A good rule of thumb is, if the person in question has the means to easily end your life right there, it is safer not to fully trust the person. [editline]22nd May 2012[/editline] That doesn't mean police are always wrong, but they should be held to a higher level of scrutiny because of the power and responsibility their position grants them.[/QUOTE] I just feel that constant scrutiny and distrust of the police will end in witch hunts.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36049356]I just feel that constant scrutiny and distrust of the police will end in witch hunts.[/QUOTE] Constant scrutiny and distrust of politicians may end in witch hunts too, by your logic. However, I don't see you calling for people not to scrutinize politicians. The simple fact is that a person who has a certain level of power deserves a certain level of scrutiny for their actions. The more their actions can adversely effect a person, the more scrutiny that person should be under when exercising that power.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36049375]Constant scrutiny and distrust of politicians may end in witch hunts too, by your logic. However, I don't see you calling for people not to scrutinize politicians. The simple fact is that a person who has a certain level of power deserves a certain level of scrutiny for their actions. The more their actions can adversely effect a person, the more scrutiny that person should be under when exercising that power.[/QUOTE] I feel politicians levy more power on the people than policemen do.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36049415]I feel politicians levy more power on the people than policemen do.[/QUOTE] They levy a smaller amount of power over a larger group of individuals. How much does Obama effect me? Not much compared to the effect an instance of police brutality could have on me.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36049483]They levy a smaller amount of power over a larger group of individuals. How much does Obama effect me? Not much compared to the effect an instance of police brutality could have on me.[/QUOTE] If the police beat you up, you can retaliate with them getting in trouble. But if the politician legalizes them beating you, then what? Scrutinizing the symptom of corruption doesn't solve the issue.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36049508]If the police beat you up, you can retaliate with them getting in trouble. But if the politician legalizes them beating you, then what? Scrutinizing the symptom of corruption doesn't solve the issue.[/QUOTE] What about those who have been outright killed by police without the police being prosecuted? That's no fault of the politician, but a gross error in the law enforcement system itself.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36049592]What about those who have been outright killed by police without the police being prosecuted? That's no fault of the politician, but a gross error in the law enforcement system itself.[/QUOTE] That's the fault of the judicial system, not the police forces.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36049609]That's the fault of the judicial system, not the police forces.[/QUOTE] No, it's the fault of the cop who killed the man, the police chief who defended his actions, and the prosecutor who declined to press charges. [editline]22nd May 2012[/editline] And this brings me RIGHT back to my initial point, which is that police are not scrutinized enough. Enough cases of police brutality and murder happen to warrant a general distrust of the police at large.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36049621]No, it's the fault of the cop who killed the man, the police chief who defended his actions, and the prosecutor who declined to press charges. [editline]22nd May 2012[/editline] And this brings me RIGHT back to my initial point, which is that police are not scrutinized enough. Enough cases of police brutality and murder happen to warrant a general distrust of the police at large.[/QUOTE] The police chief who defended the actions are irrelevant to the prosecutor who failed to press charges as he should. If there's such a mistrust of police, why not disband them, then?

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36049644]The police chief who defended the actions are irrelevant to the prosecutor who failed to press charges as he should. If there's such a mistrust of police, why not disband them, then?[/QUOTE] They are a necessary evil required to maintain peace and order in society. Just because something is essential, doesn't mean you should have implicit trust in it.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;36049684]They are a necessary evil required to maintain peace and order in society. Just because something is essential, doesn't mean you should have implicit trust in it.[/QUOTE] I don't believe in necessary evils, so I guess we're simply at an impasse on belief.

Police are cool bros okay?Don't need to act like dicks to them when they done nothing wrong,they have feelings too D;

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;36048948]It's a Catch 22. If they hold the line, it's "Police brutality!", if they fall back, it's "They let London burn!". Nomatter what the cops do, they'll be critisized to hell and back for it.[/QUOTE] Except there's a happy medium. The police can, you know, not commit police brutality. Regardless of what people say, they're still not be doing it.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;36051191]Except there's a happy medium. The police can, you know, not commit police brutality. Regardless of what people say, they're still not be doing it.[/QUOTE] And they don't, but people will call them out as if they did. They can not win, people will get on them about everything they do, no-matter what they do.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;36051211]And they don't, but people will call them out as if they did. They can not win, people will get on them about everything they do, no-matter what they do.[/QUOTE] uhhh yeah they do They can easily win When they don't do shit like this [IMG]http://www.technology-digital.com/web20/assets_c/2011/11/192897-us-davis-police-lt-john-pike-dousing-seated-students-with-pepper-spray-thumb-610x335-53533.jpg[/IMG]

And here's what happens when the cops don't do anything at all [img]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/54492000/jpg/_54492660_jex_1130853_de27-1.jpg[/img] (see I can do it too!)

What did the cops do wrong here? What is the problem? How did the CPD commit police brutality?

[QUOTE=King Tiger;36051777]What did the cops do wrong here? What is the problem? How did the CPD commit police brutality?[/QUOTE] Because it is a protest and thus the protestors are always an opressed minority.

[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;36053279]Because it is a protest and thus the protestors are always an opressed minority.[/QUOTE] Yeah, especially when they break down the barricades and stab an officer in the leg.

I live in Chicago and overall this was a very smooth summit as far as protesters are concerned. Hardly anyone was arrested and nothing was set on fire or looted. Most of the protesters will very peaceful and it was all Black Bloc idiots who ruined it for everyone else.