Jill Stein wants to be "Plan B" for Sanders supporters; Gary Johnson won't fight her for them - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;50801914]I wouldn't vote if it was just Trump and Hillary, both are terrible, and picking one or the other is like asking if I rather be shot in the leg or the arm. And the whole vote for the popular one thats closer to your beliefs doesn't get shit done when both are fucking terrible and not even close, or just say they are but flip-flop every fucking election.[/QUOTE] I don't know how you could possibly come to the conclusion that they're equally bad, but if you seriously believe that, then you are now allowed to vote third party. FlashMarsh certified.

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50801922]I don't know how you could possibly come to the conclusion that they're equally bad, but if you seriously believe that, [B]then you are now allowed to vote third party. FlashMarsh certified.[/B][/QUOTE] What?

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;50801884]You're assuming the people voting third party were going to vote democrat in the first place.[/QUOTE] The Green platform and the Democrats agree on a lot of things so it's a fair assumption to make. I just took the quiz at isidewith and got 93% Clinton, 88% Stein, 71% Johnson, and 51% Trump. With the understand that neither Stein nor Johnson (but particularly Stein) have a chance in hell of winning, why would I compromise a 5% difference and potentially get someone with a 42% difference? [editline]30th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Matthew0505;50801866]But keep on making those baseless guilt trips anyway with a side of "you're with us or against us".[/QUOTE] It's not a baseless guilt trip it's mathematical certainty and the principle of opportunity cost. If something is objectively true (like my post above, presumably the one you were replying to) and it makes you feel guilty than the intent of that post wasn't necessarily a guilt trip and it's absolutely not baseless.

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50801922]I don't know how you could possibly come to the conclusion that they're equally bad, but if you seriously believe that, then you are now allowed to vote third party. FlashMarsh certified.[/QUOTE] No one gives a shit about your imaginary certification on that.

[QUOTE=Skerion;50801978]No one gives a shit about your imaginary certification on that.[/QUOTE] I was totally serious, after all I know that stupid deluded Bernie supporters wanted an endorsement of their fanatical actions made in a tantrum from a British neoconservative, so what else could I do.

You know, if the Democrats/Hillary [I]do[/I] lose the election, we just might see the party dissolve. Think about it. In the case of their win, we can take solace that at least these absolute travesties of the Democratic Primary and the DNC and etc didn't cause a loss and hand over the presidency to a person who knows literally nothing about any sort of things that a president should know about, and the silver lining for even the biggest diehard Bernout would be "at least we won't see a total bigot appointed as a supreme justice!" Now, take all of this building outrage over the various primaries being an absolute trainwreck, the media intentionally lumping all of the superdelegates into Hillary's total delegate count every step of the way which undoubtedly helped dissuade voters, the stuff brought to light by the DNC leaks. Think of the attitude that would come to bear if the Democrats caught a loss. "You did all of this and STILL couldn't win?" and etc. This election could very well make or break the democratic party.

[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;50802577]You know, if the Democrats/Hillary [I]do[/I] lose the election, we just might see the party dissolve. Think about it. In the case of their win, we can take solace that at least these absolute travesties of the Democratic Primary and the DNC and etc didn't cause a loss and hand over the presidency to a person who knows literally nothing about any sort of things that a president should know about, and the silver lining for even the biggest diehard Bernout would be "at least we won't see a total bigot appointed as a supreme justice!" Now, take all of this building outrage over the various primaries being an absolute trainwreck, the media intentionally lumping all of the superdelegates into Hillary's total delegate count every step of the way which undoubtedly helped dissuade voters, the stuff brought to light by the DNC leaks. Think of the attitude that would come to bear if the Democrats caught a loss. "You did all of this and STILL couldn't win?" and etc. This election could very well make or break the democratic party.[/QUOTE] That just isn't going to happen. DWS resigned as party chair this year, a new chair was appointed. The party isn't going anywhere, it hardly did anything this year. They will either push a new candidate to the front in the case of a loss next election, since Clinton would have failed twice. She would probably be a figurehead for future nominees and the party. (I don't see her exiting politics anytime soon if she loses) The only opposition to the Democrats, as far as poaching voters, is the Green party. As much as I would love to see them do something to stir up the pot, they are so far behind and terribly disorganized that it's kind of a joke. They would need a few decades of building up elected officials to get their name to a reputable level. Also, I believe they are only on the ballot in ~30 states. You can't win shit with that. The dichotomy of the political system we have will always lend enemies to one side as voters of the other. So, in all reality, the GOP would have to be broken up by the Libertarians in order for the DNC to actually have to be pushed into change. Only then do more options for typical Democratic voters open up for switching teams.