[QUOTE=H4wkeye;39946417]Your government is spending tens of billions on wars. And they are spending hundreds of billions on the military. Cut a bit from that and you will have plenty of money for check ups. And you will also have plenty to form an efficient system.[/QUOTE]
Like SKEEA said, they already have cut from the military, and the people who serve are the ones who are suffering because of it. Balancing a budget and finding funds is not as simple as you think it is. Even if you find the money to do it, throwing money at an issue does not solve it overnight.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;39947671]don't be insufferable with this shit.
nobody cares about the difference other than gun nuts[/QUOTE]
And people who actually care what laws are being made instead of pointless blanket ones.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;39945712]
Even then I'm heavily against handgun restrictions as-well. The problem we have here isn't cultural, but rather the issue is social.
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what?
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Also in regards to your last question... A firearm is a piece of art. It requires you to be a master of craft in so much, that to simply ignore it for not being artwork would be insane. Not to mention, I do take an interest in pocketwatches as much as I take interest in firearms. I'm all around intrigued by the construction of items, and enjoy taking things apart, and being able to watch them operate.[/QUOTE]
lol
just lol
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;39947671]don't be insufferable with this shit.
nobody cares about the difference other than gun nuts[/QUOTE]
It's a relevant difference. "Assault rifles" and "assault weapons" are two very different things. It's the difference between a GPU and a PSU, or a V6 or a V8 engine. If you're going to debate this stuff, you should at least learn the terminologies.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;39947704]
lol
just lol[/QUOTE]
Are you actually going to bring up a point or are you just going to act like a jackass.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39947694]And people who actually care what laws are being made instead of pointless blanket ones.[/QUOTE]
yes. just banning assault weapons isn't going far enough
extend it to all firearms.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;39947716]yes. just banning assault weapons isn't going far enough
extend it to all firearms.[/QUOTE]
And now you're just babbling. How would one go about doing so? Because it would be unconstitutional.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;39947671]don't be insufferable with this shit.
nobody cares about the difference other than gun nuts[/QUOTE]
"Don't blind me with the FACTS!!"
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39947728]And now you're just babbling. How would one go about doing so? Because it would be unconstitutional.[/QUOTE]
you just have to make it constitutional
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;39947789]you just have to make it constitutional[/QUOTE]
Which is nigh impossible unless you make another amendment, which no one is going to any time soon.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;39947716]yes. just banning assault weapons isn't going far enough
extend it to all firearms.[/QUOTE]
lolok
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[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39947801]Which is nigh impossible unless you make another amendment, which no one is going to any time soon.[/QUOTE]
dood don't even
just don't
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;39947716]yes. just banning assault weapons isn't going far enough
extend it to all firearms.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Siminov;39917350]Too bad criminals don't follow laws.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Siminov;39947913][/QUOTE]
great argument for why we shouldn't have laws at all i guess
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rapists gonna rape
burglars gonna burgle
why bother
Heh, shows how non-American I am - I always though assault weapons were the ones that fire continuously (automatic?) but why ban weapons that function the same as every other legal firearm?
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;39948018]great argument for why we shouldn't have laws at all i guess
[editline]17th March 2013[/editline]
rapists gonna rape
burglars gonna burgle
why bother[/QUOTE]
I don't think the fact the UK banned guns stopped people from murdering each other, didn't work with Australia either.
All you do is create a pissed off population with the same amount of murders armed with illegal guns or knives / bats / etc...
[QUOTE=Siminov;39948400]I don't think the fact the UK banned guns stopped people from murdering each other, didn't work with Australia either.
All you do is create a pissed off population with the same amount of murders armed with illegal guns or knives / bats / etc...[/QUOTE]
The difference here is that people in Britain don't give a shit about guns unless you are some toff who shoots partridge on his estates.
[QUOTE=Siminov;39948400]I don't think the fact the UK banned guns stopped people from murdering each other, didn't work with Australia either.
All you do is create a pissed off population with the same amount of murders armed with illegal guns or knives / bats / etc...[/QUOTE]
The UK didn't ban guns!!!
It banned handguns and small firearms that can be concealed easily!!!
Rifles etc. are still fine with a permit
It actually didn't ban any firearms contrary to popular belief. You can own a handgun, but it must remain at a firearms club.
In some cases firearm laws in the United Kingdom(and some in Europe) are [I]less restrictive[/I], then the ones presently within the United States. For example, here in the USA, purchasing and registering a suppressor for a 22LR is just as complicated as getting a suppressor for a 7.62mm.
This also doesn't include that in some countries in the EU you can legally own full-automatic firearms, so long as you can confirm it with your Police Department.
[QUOTE=Zethereal;39948918]The UK didn't ban guns!!!
It banned handguns and small firearms that can be concealed easily!!!
Rifles etc. are still fine with a permit[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I forgot that you guys can still have hunting rifles with permits. I have never been to the UK so some of the information I have is incorrect.
[QUOTE=Zethereal;39948227]Heh, shows how non-American I am - I always though assault weapons were the ones that fire continuously (automatic?) but why ban weapons that function the same as every other legal firearm?[/QUOTE]
Yeah that's basically what the senators proposing these bills want people to think. In reality they're just banning semi-auto rifles with pistol grips because apparently they're "spooky". Actual assault rifles have been banned since the late '80s.
[QUOTE=Siminov;39948400]I don't think the fact the UK banned guns stopped people from murdering each other, didn't work with Australia either.
All you do is create a pissed off population with the same amount of murders armed with illegal guns or knives / bats / etc...[/QUOTE]
Homicide rate in the UK is 1.2 per 100k, and 1.0 in Australia
In the US it's 4.2. That's 3-4x higher. The US is actually tied with Yemen which has entire cities controlled by Al Qaeda.
[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate[/URL]
Cupcakes, your failing to point out that the United States murder-rate spiked during the early 90's, and has since dropped by half.
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;39911531]Please, Senate.
Eat a dick. No one is going to kill anyone with a M1 Carbine.[/QUOTE]
I will.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;39949185]Cupcakes, your failing to point out that the United States murder-rate spiked during the early 90's, and has since dropped by half.[/QUOTE]
Plus, doesn't "intentional homicide" include self-defense, and didn't he just conveniently forget to point out that Britain's pretty-much-every-other-kind-of-bad-thing rate (including but not limited to rape, robbery, stabbings, you name 'em) usually surpasses that of the US, AND there's plenty of EU countries that are perfectly nice even though they have p. fucking lax gun laws?
Yeah, judging by all of his posts in this thread, he's either trolling or a genuine dumbass.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;39949105]Homicide rate in the UK is 1.2 per 100k, and 1.0 in Australia
In the US it's 4.2. That's 3-4x higher. The US is actually tied with Yemen which has entire cities controlled by Al Qaeda.
[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate[/URL][/QUOTE]
Take away certain infamous cities such as Chicago and Detroit and our violent crime rate drops significantly as does the murder rate. The common theme with those places is out of control urban decay and extreme poverty.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooa98FHuaU0[/media]
Also, guns can be art. The TAR-10 is a good example of this, it sold for $136,000:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/I9kJPA0.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=don868;39913222]This is a step away from Terrorism America. You can finally begin to end your wars with brown people, homosexuals, and child murderers.[/QUOTE]
Holy fuck, you retarded sperglords took this waaay too seriously.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;39949105]Homicide rate in the UK is 1.2 per 100k, and 1.0 in Australia
In the US it's 4.2. That's 3-4x higher. The US is actually tied with Yemen which has entire cities controlled by Al Qaeda.
[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate[/URL][/QUOTE]
the homicide rates are more related to social issues and poverty levels, not the avaliability of guns, legal or otherwise. If they didn't have Saturday night specials, they'd be stabbing each other instead.
Oh and on the serious side, if you retards would stop arguing over whether guns kill people or not and how many boolets it takes to mutilate a baby
This doesn't mean semi auto rifles of any nature are even banned or close to being banned yet. It's still gotta see congress, then the president and it can get pissed away easily in either of the two.
I'm pretty sure Obama wont sign it, he'll let it sit there and see if some serious shit goes down again and then he'll probably sign it.
Your fantasy of a gun free america is no where near close.
[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;39949729]Take away certain infamous cities such as Chicago and Detroit and our violent crime rate drops significantly as does the murder rate. The common theme with those places is out of control urban decay and extreme poverty.
Also, guns can be art. The TAR-10 is a good example of this, it sold for $136,000:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/I9kJPA0.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
The stats for the other countries include their major cities too.
The UK is at 1.2 including London, Manchester, etc. I bet if you took all those cities out it'd be even lower too, who would have guessed.
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[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;39949424]Plus, doesn't "intentional homicide" include self-defense
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No. That's unintentional homicide.
I don't know if you understand this, but the purpose of self defense isn't to kill someone.
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and didn't he just conveniently forget to point out that Britain's pretty-much-every-other-kind-of-bad-thing rate (including but not limited to rape, robbery, stabbings, you name 'em) usually surpasses that of the US[/quote]
Care to provide a source on this.
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Yeah, judging by all of his posts in this thread, he's either trolling or a genuine dumbass.[/quote]
lol
Self-Defense is regulated within proportion of what the attacker is attempting to use against you.
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