Anonymous taking on Big Red High School football team from Ohio who raped a blacked out girl, carryi - Polidicks

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38960450]except you [editline]24th December 2012[/editline] you even said she is to blame for her rape because she didn't take the proper steps to avoid it.[/QUOTE] I argued for simple precautions, not planning your entire life around it. Please read posts before you argue about them. It really is entertaining when arguments involve making up your opponent's argument.

[QUOTE=Paramud;38960480]I argued for simple precautions, not planning your entire life around it. Please read posts before you argue about them.[/QUOTE] doesn't change the fact that you are saying people should be taught to live in fear of a potential attack rather than taking a hard line against rape.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38960422]people should not be forced to plan their lives around potentially being raped or murdered. people are certainly allowed to do it if they feel extra security from it, but it by no means should be the expected societal norm to say that a rape victim is to blame for her own rape because she didn't take some ritualistic steps to "avoid her rape".[/QUOTE] Literally nobody in this thread has said that she is to blame for her rape because she didn't go out of her way to avoid it. Nobody at all. We've said the opposite, that the blame lies with the perpetrators, multiple times. Please read the argument and at least understand what we're arguing before you bring out the straw men. [QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;38960425]That doesn't mean it is not a right you are fucking entitled to and it doesn't mean you are at all responsible if someone violates it. This stupid pseudo-intellectual bullshit parading under the guise of realism changes nothing. Stop trying to go "WLEL IN THE RAEL WORLD! because it does not help you in the slightest and proves no points. The idea that something [B]might[/B] happen does not change anything at all, it does not change what your rights are and what your protections therein are. You're just trying to justify horrible views with this crap. Its no better than people who go "I have black friends but blacks are just naturally prone to crime."[/QUOTE] So your argument is that it's wrong to tell people to take precautions to avoid being victimized, because in an ideal world we shouldn't have to, and even though we don't live in an ideal world we should still cling to impossible principles and never suggest that someone can stop themselves from becoming a victim? I really don't understand where you're going with this at all.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38960494]doesn't change the fact that you are saying people should be taught to live in fear of a potential attack rather than taking a hard line against rape.[/QUOTE] Mm, nope. Never argued that either. People should accept the fact that there are dangers out there, and not live in fear [b]or[/b] ignorance of them.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38960322]Haha, now in reality...[/QUOTE] oh look it's you again. what's with you and this hardon you have for always trying to assign 1% of the blame to women who are raped? didn't you learn from the last thread you did this in? like are you mad at women because they won't partake in your piss fetish so you keep trying to blame them idk i'm really curious here.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38960494]doesn't change the fact that you are saying people should be taught to live in fear of a potential attack rather than taking a hard line against rape.[/QUOTE] Is telling people not to go through East Harlem, alone and late at night, teaching people to live in fear of a potential attack rather than taking a hard line against street crime? It seems like you're setting up a dichotomy where none exists- either we're teaching people to live in fear or we can't say a victim did anything wrong. There are other alternatives.

[QUOTE=Paramud;38960539]Mm, nope. Never argued that either. People should accept the fact that there are dangers out there, and not live in fear [b]or[/b] ignorance of them.[/QUOTE] this just in, picture of paramud fleeing the argument. [img]http://www.dianesabba.com/Photography/5%20Long%20Beach%20Marathon,%20California%202004/38%20Bicyling%20Backwards.jpg[/img]

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[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;38960425]That doesn't mean it is not a right you are fucking entitled to and it doesn't mean you are at all responsible if someone violates it. This stupid pseudo-intellectual bullshit parading under the guise of realism changes nothing. Stop trying to go "WLEL IN THE RAEL WORLD! because it does not help you in the slightest and proves no points. The idea that something [B]might[/B] happen does not change anything at all, it does not change what your rights are and what your protections therein are. You're just trying to justify horrible views with this crap. Its no better than people who go "I have black friends but blacks are just naturally prone to crime."[/QUOTE] stop kidding yourself. i can guarantee that you wouldn't walk down said alleyway mentioned in this thread. you wouldn't spitefully walk down it as part of your moral crusade that you think you carry out in your life. i'm speaking for myself here when i'm saying that i'm not justifying it by using this logic, but until you start living by the same shit you're portraying here, i'm not necessarily wrong. when is it a bad idea to take all possible precautions to protect yourself?

[QUOTE=catbarf;38960564]Is telling people not to go through East Harlem, alone and late at night, teaching people to live in fear of a potential attack rather than taking a hard line against street crime? It seems like you're setting up a dichotomy where none exists- either we're teaching people to live in fear or we can't say a victim did anything wrong. There are other alternatives.[/QUOTE] I think what they're trying to argue is that, in the minds of the perpetrators, since this behavior is expected it's ok. By focusing comments on what the perpetrators did wrong rather than the victims, its more likely that people will think twice before doing this shit in the future. This is especially true given your argument with street crime; I think its safe to say most robberies are the result of necessity rather than desire. The same cannot be said of rape.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38958549]Yes.[/QUOTE] it's irresponsible to get blackout drunk anywhere, let alone around strangers. it's still the rapist's fault but really she shouldn't be drinking that much

[QUOTE=stupid10er;38960587]stop kidding yourself. i can guarantee that you wouldn't walk down said alleyway mentioned in this thread. you wouldn't spitefully walk down it as part of your moral crusade that you think you carry out in your life. i'm speaking for myself here when i'm saying that i'm not justifying it by using this logic, but until you start living by the same shit you're portraying here, i'm not necessarily wrong. when is it a bad idea to take all possible precautions to protect yourself?[/QUOTE]I walked through back alleys in the middle of the night in the Philadelphia ghettos while they had the highest murder incidence in the entire nation. What the hell does that prove? Big goddamned deal. Should I have expected to have been mugged or something?

[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38956730]Dam man if the world was Fallout New Vegas I'd have no idea what Anonymous' reputation would be at[/QUOTE] They'd have to revamp the whole karma system. Different Anonymous-affiliated groups flip-flop from lawful evil to chaotic good to

[QUOTE=catbarf;38957320]Call me an asshole but I never understood this argument. If I went walking down the streets of Philadelphia wearing a suit literally made of $100 bills I strongly doubt you'd be saying 'it's 100% not your fault you got mugged' when the inevitable happens.[/QUOTE] Did you just compare wearing a [I]suit[/I] made of [I]money[/I] to being carried around from party to party as a living fuck-toy? [QUOTE=catbarf;38958448]If I got in a car with a drunk driver and got hurt, you'd say I shouldn't have gotten in.[/quote] Because you should know to stop the drunk driver and help prevent [I]them[/I] from hurting themselves and others, [I]not just you[/I]. [QUOTE=catbarf;38958448]If I walked through a bad part of town late at night and got mugged, you'd say I should have been more careful. If I bought from a shady website and my credit card info got stolen, you'd say I should have been more cautious with my personal info. If I responded to a scam mail from a Nigerian prince and lost my life savings, you'd say I should have been more wary.[/quote] These are examples of losing money, [B]objects[/B], not your bodily integrity. [QUOTE=catbarf;38958759]Continuing the analogy from the previous page. Suppose I'm walking the streets of downtown Philadelphia at 2AM, wearing a suit made entirely of $100 dollar bills. Do I 'deserve' to get mugged? Am I 'asking for it'? No. Are there things I should have done differently, that contribute to my getting mugged? Am I responsible for that much? Yes. I still haven't gotten a straight answer as to whether this is victim blaming or not. If it is, then people are monumental hypocrites for only getting uppity about it when it pertains to rape cases. If not, then it's not victim blaming to say that a girl shouldn't get blackout drunk at a party full of strangers.[/QUOTE] Again, getting robbed and getting raped are completely different crimes. Stop treating rape as if it's only as bad as losing your wallet. By doing these "Well what if I walk around with lots of money hanging out" and "Well what if I don't lock my car" arguments (not just you, but everyone in threads like these) and treating those as if they're just the same as getting raped, you're comparing a woman's [B]bodily integrity[/B] to [I]a fucking car[/I]. It's dehumanizing and, well, objectifying. [QUOTE=Elecbullet;38958823]I fucking hate this "Did you just compare" bullshit. It's in every damn thread. Compare something bad to something not-so-bad and fuck you, your comparison is invalid, because this is bad so it's in a class by itself. What logic is that? If it applies to crime A then it applies to crime B. Fuck emotional baggage.[/QUOTE] "You make an invalid comparison and suddenly people are yelling at you saying 'that's an invalid comparison'! It's a valid comparison if I say it is!" What logic is there in applying the same rules, behaviors, etc. to vastly different crimes? You don't treat a mugging the same way you do a murder, and the same goes for rape. [QUOTE=catbarf;38960165]I guess walking is a contribution towards a potential mugging. Guess that means I shouldn't bother avoiding bad parts of town, being alone, or being out late at night? Is that the argument you're making? [B]I mean this is getting so hyperbolic it's ridiculous[/B], I don't even know what we're talking about anymorre. The point is not to pin blame on the victim, the point is that there are steps people can take to avoid becoming victims in the first place, and some things represent greater risks than others. Walking outside is not a significant risk. Walking down a dark alley at night is.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=catbarf;38957320]Call me an asshole but I never understood this argument. If I went walking down the streets of Philadelphia wearing a suit literally made of $100 bills I strongly doubt you'd be saying 'it's 100% not your fault you got mugged' when the inevitable happens.[/QUOTE] Excuse me, what were you saying about "so hyperbolic it's ridiculous"? ____________________________________________ ____________________________________________ [QUOTE=catbarf;38958987]Well, because we're not saying it's her fault she got raped, we're saying her decision to get blackout drunk was a Bad Idea and contributed to it. The argument here is that it seems that some feel that ascribing any responsibility to the victim's actions is victim blaming, which I personally do not understand.[/quote] What you're doing now is saying "Oh, I'm not blaming the victim for getting raped, I'm blaming the victim for something completely different, and by the way, that completely different thing is directly responsible for her getting raped." The problem with this "she's 1% responsible" stuff is that it's almost always used as a way to blame the victim. It's a way to try to slowly wedge the argument in that she's responsible for her rape. "She's just a little responsible" > "She's partly responsible" > "She's responsible." [QUOTE=Elecbullet;38959509]"You the victim of this crime are technically to blame for the crime to a negligible extent" I don't see what's so bad about this, it's just "victim blaming" so auto-bad[/QUOTE] Now, you can say "Oh, I'm not trying to do that, I'm just saying, [I]scientifically[/I], the female is negligibly responsible for the non-consensual penetration of her genitals by the males, we must take this [I]logically[/I], not [I]emotionally[/I]", but there's problems with that. First, even if you really [I]aren't[/I] trying to do that, someone else will use the argument you've made to do so themselves. Second, [I]negligible[/I] is a [B]KEY WORD[/B]. [del]It will be on the test.[/del] If it's a [I]negligible[/I] amount of blame, then it's basically no blame, right? And all of the blame [B]ESSENTIALLY[/B] is on the rapist, right? If so, then, well, all of the blame is on the rapist, because, as you've said, her 'responsibility' in this is [I]next to none[/I]. If you [I]won't[/I] cut out her responsibility in it, then it's not really negligible, now is it? [QUOTE=Paramud;38959774]But, back on track, I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing that we should educate people on taking [b]simple precautions[/b]. I'm sure it's easier for you to just clean up after someone gets raped, tell them that they're an innocent little dove who couldn't've done anything to prevent what happened to them, but [b]it's not the solution[/b]. Do you know what [b]you're[/b] doing? You're making rape easier by telling people they can't do anything to stop it.[/QUOTE] Once you place a non-negligible amount of blame on the victim, that amount of blame will grow and grow until the point where you say "If you hadn't done -x-, the rape wouldn't have happened", which, no matter how you try to twist is, is placing [I]all[/I] of the blame on the victim. You may say otherwise, but what you're doing is saying that she had a [I]choice[/I] as to whether she got raped or not. Which, as you [I]should[/I] know as a decent human being, is just monstrous. So, by saying "oh, she's partly responsible", you're either [I]saying nothing to add to the conversation at all[/I] and are just trying to be ~*scientifically accurate*~ about blame for some arcane reason, or you're blaming the victim for a crime where they lose control over their own bodies. And you know what? With this "We should tell girls how to avoid being raped and defend themselves and to worry about being safe!" [I][B]WE ALREADY DO THAT.[/B][/I] Women already take great precaution against being raped, but the one time they're young and naive and just want to have fun like [I]a fucking human being[/I] and end up getting taken advantage of, people focus on the girl and say "oh, she should've been more careful about not being raped" instead of doing what [I]needs[/I] to be done and [h2]trying to get people to just NOT RAPE.[/h2] And before you tell me "well, that's useless, people already know not to rape and to stop rape", I just want to let you know that that argument [I][B]is full of shit.[/B][/I] [quote]“I tried to tell Trent to stop it,” another athlete, who was Mays’s best friend, testified. “You know, I told him, ‘Just wait — wait till she wakes up if you’re going to do any of this stuff. Don’t do anything you’re going to regret.’ ” He said Mays answered: “It’s all right. Don’t worry.”[/quote] [quote]For weeks after the girl’s parents came forward, he again pleaded to the other partygoers to come forward with information about the possible sexual assault. Only one did, he said.[/quote] You know what these are? These are quotes from the article of people not knowing not to rape and only one or two people trying to stop rape. But [I]noooo[/I], we need to focus on women being even more mindful of rape than they already are! We need to tell the victim that there's reasons why they're partly to blame, as if they aren't already blaming themselves for every single thing they did in the past [I]decade[/I] as some reason as to why they got raped! We need to focus on telling women what to do, [I]even more[/I] than we already do (which is a whole fucking lot)! Telling [I]men[/I] what to do for once? [I]Noooo,[/I] we can't do that! It's useless, men can't control themselves, and they already know everything, and there's nothing else we can do to stop rape besides focusing on only one half of the equation!

[QUOTE=Van-man;38959167][I]"she couldn't say no because she's had too much to drink, so it's awwright :q:"[/I] For fucks sake, what were those moronic plebeians thinking?[/QUOTE] if you are a rapist, you are not only a bad person, but possibly a sociopath. They don't have regard for others' well being, but they can pass off as a "normal" person because sociopaths and/or psychopaths are good at acting [editline]24th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Dori;38960436]male privilege is being able to get black-out drunk at a party without the expectation of being raped[/QUOTE] I don't expect that tbh, not in this rotten world

The Anglerfish, are in Sweden known as the "Marulk", which I think is a fucking badass name. The bait thingie in front of the anglerfish, are in the deep aquatic zones illuminated by a sumbiotic relationship with bacteria that lives inside the anglerfishes bait. Should a creature touch the bait, it will act as a nerve, sending a message to the anglerfish to snap at the prey in front of it. The image most people think of the Anglerfish, the big fish with a large mouth and teeth and an illuminated angler in front... is in fact the female anglerfish. When scientist first discovered the Anglerfish, they found several things thought to be parasites attatched to the Anglerfish; creatures only a tenth the size of the Anglerfish... those were male Anglerfish. The thing that probably amazes me the most about the Anglerfish, is how they mate. The male Anglerfish's sole purpose in life is finding a female Anglerfish and mating with her, but he doesn't have a penis :(. Instead, the male Anglerfish mates with the female by latching on to her body with his teeth, and then unjecting a chemical into her body. This chemical will then cause the famale Anglerfish's body to merge with the male Anglerfish, and the male's eyes, mouth and other unneccesary organs will over time disintegrate. The male Anglerfish will then become a mere extension of the female Anglerfish, just a pair of gonads, that will insert his semen into the female when he senses that she is in safety. Anyway. I think that it's never the victim's fault she got raped, because rape is always inexcusable. However, that doesn't mean you aren't a fucking dumbass for getting drunk of your ass around a bunch of overly horny teenage assholes. It's not your fault, but you do lack all possible common senses, and you're a dumbass... but make no mistake, the perpetrators still deserve hell for what they did to you.

Everyone give Simski ratings, the poor lad spent all yesterday and today writing up that.

[QUOTE=Dori;38960436]male privilege is being able to get black-out drunk at a party without the expectation of being raped[/QUOTE] a buddy of mine passed out at a party once and woke up naked with poop on his chest so I can't say men have it much better

[QUOTE=Last or First;38961494]Did you just compare wearing a [I]suit[/I] made of [I]money[/I] to being carried around from party to party as a living fuck-toy?[/QUOTE] No, that is not the comparison at all. Please re-read, and don't confuse the poor decision for the crime. [QUOTE=Last or First;38961494]Because you should know to stop the drunk driver and help prevent [I]them[/I] from hurting themselves and others, [I]not just you[/I].[/QUOTE] How is that in any way, shape, or form relevant to personal responsibility for injury as a result of someone else's actions? [QUOTE=Last or First;38961494]These are examples of losing money, [B]objects[/B], not your bodily integrity. Again, getting robbed and getting raped are completely different crimes. Stop treating rape as if it's only as bad as losing your wallet. By doing these "Well what if I walk around with lots of money hanging out" and "Well what if I don't lock my car" arguments (not just you, but everyone in threads like these) and treating those as if they're just the same as getting raped, you're comparing a woman's [B]bodily integrity[/B] to [I]a fucking car[/I]. It's dehumanizing and, well, objectifying.[/QUOTE] Are you suggesting that criticizing her getting drunk and blacking out would be okay if she got robbed instead, if it weren't rape? How does that make any sense? [QUOTE=Last or First;38961494]What logic is there in applying the same rules, behaviors, etc. to vastly different crimes? You don't treat a mugging the same way you do a murder, and the same goes for rape.[/QUOTE] Then tell us how you think it's different. I see them both as crimes that have negative consequences. [QUOTE=Last or First;38961494]Excuse me, what were you saying about "so hyperbolic it's ridiculous"?[/QUOTE] One's reductio ad absurdum. The other's 'WELL GOING OUTSIDE CAN LEAD TO GETTING RAPED SO WE CAN'T CAUTION WOMEN AGAINST GOING DOWN DARK ALLEYS AT NIGHT'. One is using an extreme example to prove a point, the other is setting up a false dichotomy through hyperbole. [QUOTE=Last or First;38961494]What you're doing now is saying "Oh, I'm not blaming the victim for getting raped, I'm blaming the victim for something completely different, and by the way, that completely different thing is directly responsible for her getting raped." The problem with this "she's 1% responsible" stuff is that it's almost always used as a way to blame the victim. It's a way to try to slowly wedge the argument in that she's responsible for her rape. "She's just a little responsible" > "She's partly responsible" > "She's responsible."[/QUOTE] Directly responsible for her getting raped? Did [b]anyone[/b] in this thread [b]ever[/b] say that? Seriously, what the fuck? Now, what you're saying here is that there are two possibilities: Either we say that the victim is completely blameless and had nothing to do with the crime and none of their actions can be criticized, or clearly we're saying the victim is responsible for the crime. And that's utter [b]bullshit[/b], because nobody pulls this kind of crap with other crimes. You can tell a mugging victim that, y'know, they probably shouldn't be in gangland, alone, after dark, without insinuating that they were just BEGGING to be mugged so it's really their fault to begin with. Who even does that? But when it's rape, suddenly the notion that the victim's choices may have had a part in becoming victimized go right out the window, and it turns into this absurd black and white caricature of the real world. According to you, when I say that getting drunk at a party full of strangers is a bad idea, what I really mean is that all women are begging to be raped. What the fuck? [QUOTE=Last or First;38961494]You know what these are? These are quotes from the article of people not knowing not to rape and only one or two people trying to stop rape. But [I]noooo[/I], we need to focus on women being even more mindful of rape than they already are! We need to tell the victim that there's reasons why they're partly to blame, as if they aren't already blaming themselves for every single thing they did in the past [I]decade[/I] as some reason as to why they got raped! We need to focus on telling women what to do, [I]even more[/I] than we already do (which is a whole fucking lot)! Telling [I]men[/I] what to do for once? [I]Noooo,[/I] we can't do that! It's useless, men can't control themselves, and they already know everything, and there's nothing else we can do to stop rape besides focusing on only one half of the equation![/QUOTE] Those are quotes from the article of [i]total assholes[/i] who are disgusting examples of human beings. Stop trying to make out like we're nodding in agreement with them because you can't be bothered to read the thread and figure out what we're actually arguing. There is a [i]world of difference[/i] between saying that women can take steps to avoid being victimized, and blaming women entirely for rape and saying it isn't the fault of the men and that it's all natural or whatever the hell you're accusing us of. Do you really think that everyone either believes that victimized people couldn't possibly do anything to protect themselves from becoming victims, or are rabid 'men's rights' dickbags? Can you even imagine applying the same thought process to [i]any other crime[/i]? 'What the hell, John, how dare you tell your grandmother she shouldn't trust Nigerian princes on the Internet! You're blaming her for getting scammed!' It's idiotic beyond all belief. Men shouldn't rape. Some men will still rape anyways, and to protect themselves, women should take steps to avoid being raped. Men shouldn't steal. Some men will steal anyways, and to protect themselves, people should take steps to avoid being stolen from. And if you don't take those steps, if you leave your doors and windows unlocked and your belongings in plain sight, you're more likely to be stolen from. And if it happens, it's still not your fault, nobody's blaming you, nobody is saying you asked to be burglarized, or you brought it on yourself, or you deserved it, [i]but you made a mistake[/i], and that mistake absolutely, undeniably contributed to your being burglarized. That is [i]all[/i] I am saying.

[QUOTE=catbarf;38962358]No, that is not the comparison at all. Please re-read, and don't confuse the poor decision for the crime. How is that in any way, shape, or form relevant to personal responsibility for injury as a result of someone else's actions? Are you suggesting that criticizing her getting drunk and blacking out would be okay if she got robbed instead, if it weren't rape? How does that make any sense? Then tell us how you think it's different. I see them both as crimes that have negative consequences. One's reductio ad absurdum. The other's 'WELL GOING OUTSIDE CAN LEAD TO GETTING RAPED SO WE CAN'T CAUTION WOMEN AGAINST GOING DOWN DARK ALLEYS AT NIGHT'. One is using an extreme example to prove a point, the other is setting up a false dichotomy through hyperbole. Directly responsible for her getting raped? Did [B]anyone[/B] in this thread [B]ever[/B] say that? Seriously, what the fuck? Now, what you're saying here is that there are two possibilities: Either we say that the victim is completely blameless and had nothing to do with the crime and none of their actions can be criticized, or clearly we're saying the victim is responsible for the crime. And that's utter [B]bullshit[/B], because nobody pulls this kind of crap with other crimes. You can tell a mugging victim that, y'know, they probably shouldn't be in gangland, alone, after dark, without insinuating that they were just BEGGING to be mugged so it's really their fault to begin with. Who even does that? But when it's rape, suddenly the notion that the victim's choices may have had a part in becoming victimized go right out the window, and it turns into this absurd black and white caricature of the real world. According to you, when I say that getting drunk at a party full of strangers is a bad idea, what I really mean is that all women are begging to be raped. What the fuck? Those are quotes from the article of [I]total assholes[/I] who are disgusting examples of human beings. Stop trying to make out like we're nodding in agreement with them because you can't be bothered to read the thread and figure out what we're actually arguing. There is a [I]world of difference[/I] between saying that women can take steps to avoid being victimized, and blaming women entirely for rape and saying it isn't the fault of the men and that it's all natural or whatever the hell you're accusing us of. Do you really think that everyone either believes that victimized people couldn't possibly do anything to protect themselves from becoming victims, or are rabid 'men's rights' dickbags? Can you even imagine applying the same thought process to [I]any other crime[/I]? 'What the hell, John, how dare you tell your grandmother she shouldn't trust Nigerian princes on the Internet! You're blaming her for getting scammed!' It's idiotic beyond all belief. Men shouldn't rape. Some men will still rape anyways, and to protect themselves, women should take steps to avoid being raped. Men shouldn't steal. Some men will steal anyways, and to protect themselves, people should take steps to avoid being stolen from. And if you don't take those steps, if you leave your doors and windows unlocked and your belongings in plain sight, you're more likely to be stolen from. And if it happens, it's still not your fault, nobody's blaming you, nobody is saying you asked to be burglarized, or you brought it on yourself, or you deserved it, [I]but you made a mistake[/I], and that mistake absolutely, undeniably contributed to your being burglarized. That is [I]all[/I] I am saying.[/QUOTE] Why are you trying so hard to prove that rape victims have some responsibility for their own rape (false, by the way). It does nothing but make you look like a cock.

I love you Dori, you are my female anglerfish and I am an hermaphrodite

[QUOTE=Simski;38962244]Anyway. I think that it's never the victim's fault she got raped, because rape is always inexcusable. However, that doesn't mean you aren't a fucking dumbass for getting drunk of your ass around a bunch of overly horny teenage assholes. It's not your fault, but you do lack all possible common senses, and you're a dumbass... but make no mistake, the perpetrators still deserve hell for what they did to you.[/QUOTE] yeah totally dude I mean men are just animals that can't help but rape drunk women so women should just accept that and move on maybe we should pass laws so that only people of the same sex can drink together???

please let me merge you [editline]25th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=MisterMooth;38962397]yeah totally dude I mean men are just animals that can't help but rape drunk women so women should just accept that and move on maybe we should pass laws so that only people of the same sex can drink together???[/QUOTE] Like I said. The women aren't to blame, only the rapists are to blame. However, people getting drunk of their asses on parties with people they don't know in person and trust fully, are not to blame, but are still fucking stupid. They don't deserve to be raped, no one does... but they're still fucking dumb and gullible as hell for not taking basic precautions. They aren't to blame for doing anything wrong, but they are worthy of being called dumbasses for lacking common sense. [editline]25th December 2012[/editline] Anglerfish are fucking cool

Last or First, seeing as how you feel the crimes mentioned were 'not equatable' Consider this example instead. 'A white man walks into a black party and begins to talk to everyone there. He makes comments like 'I really think slavery shouldn't have been abolished, if it hadn't, you niggers would have a much nicer place to sleep!' and 'Black men are much uglier than White men, though they don't compare to those Nigger women! UGH!'. While at the party, the man dons a KKK costume and begins dancing in a provocative manner, Which he learned from Old Jim Crow. The man leaves the party and is murdered on the side of the road. Does he share any of the blame for his murder?' I figure that since this example involves bodily harm, it is more readily equatable to rape.

[QUOTE=Simski;38962401]please let me merge you [editline]25th December 2012[/editline] Like I said. The women aren't to blame, only the rapists are to blame. However, people getting drunk of their asses on parties with people they don't know in person and trust fully, are not to blame, but are still fucking stupid. They don't deserve to be raped, no one does... but they're still fucking dumb and gullible as hell for not taking basic precautions.[/QUOTE] Why? I do that all the time and so do most male friends I know. It only becomes "stupid" when women supposedly do it, because apparently men can't control themselves or something and this is the fault of women somehow. Is socialising really an alien concept to you? [editline]25th December 2012[/editline] also: [quote]On Aug. 22, the possible crime made local news when the police came forward with details: two standout Steubenville football players — Mays, 16, from Bloomingdale, Ohio, and Ma’lik Richmond, 16, from Steubenville — were arrested and later [B]charged with raping a 16-year-old girl and kidnapping her by taking her to several parties while she was too drunk to resist.[/B][/quote]

I suggest forcing them to fuck pre-assigned hookers with [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-rape_device#Rape-aXe]Rape-aXe attached[/url]. Will serve them justice.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;38962380]Why are you trying so hard to prove that rape victims have some responsibility for their own rape (false, by the way). It does nothing but make you look like a cock.[/QUOTE] "why are you disagreeing with me"

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;38962380]Why are you trying so hard to prove that rape victims have some responsibility for their own rape (false, by the way). It does nothing but make you look like a cock.[/QUOTE] Can you please point out what part in the block below you disagree with? All I have been saying throughout this entire thread is that a person's actions can have an impact on whether or not they get victimized, and this applies equally to murder, theft, or rape. And all throughout this entire thread, that gets misrepresented as apparently me blaming women for getting raped, as if I blame pedestrians for getting mugged or blame homeowners for getting robbed, which is absurd. [quote]Men shouldn't rape. Some men will still rape anyways, and to protect themselves, women should take steps to avoid being raped. Men shouldn't steal. Some men will steal anyways, and to protect themselves, people should take steps to avoid being stolen from. And if you don't take those steps, if you leave your doors and windows unlocked and your belongings in plain sight, you're more likely to be stolen from. And if it happens, it's still not your fault, nobody's blaming you, nobody is saying you asked to be burglarized, or you brought it on yourself, or you deserved it, but you made a mistake, and that mistake absolutely, undeniably contributed to your being burglarized. That is all I am saying.[/quote]

[QUOTE=MisterMooth;38962462]Why? I do that all the time and so do most male friends I know. It only becomes "stupid" when women supposedly do it, because apparently men can't control themselves or something and this is the fault of women somehow. Is socialising really an alien concept to you?[/QUOTE] Hey, are you like, sorta dense or something? I didn't say the men weren't at fault. They are, they are solely responsible as fucking rapists of an innocent girl, which is absolutely despicable and inexcusable even if it is my fetish. However, getting yourself drunk of your ass around a bunch of horny guys, even if them raping you is inexcusable and makes them fucking retarded ass monsters, you are a fucking dumbass if you can't realize that you're terribly lacking in good judgement for doing this around them. Yes, you're not to blame, but you are still a fucking dumbass lacking common sense. So, I'm not blaming the victim or saying they deserve what happened to them, I'm just pointing out the very obvious fact that the victim is a fucking dumbass, although innocent, of everything but being a dumbass.

women need anti-rape classes where they are instructed on how to dress in accordance with Sharia and are instructed on how to avoid situations that could lead to rape these include, but are not limited to: [i]looking at a man leaving the house not having partaken in prayer that morning[/i] obviously rapists are bad. but we can't do anything about that, best to just ignore them and hope for the best.