Anonymous taking on Big Red High School football team from Ohio who raped a blacked out girl, carryi - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Cl0cK;38958096]Basically another form of the dumb argument: "Since she dressed slutty, she kinda asked to be raped."[/QUOTE] Oh get off it. You're a gigantic moron if you flaunt cash in a ghetto like that. It's also stupid to get blacked out at a party, but as the above example was hyperbolic, less so.

[QUOTE=Cl0cK;38958096]Basically another form of the dumb argument: "Since she dressed slutty, she kinda asked to be raped."[/QUOTE] No dammit, it's not the same at all, and I even said as much if you read my post: [quote]If you beat me up and steal it, it's still theft, [b]I wasn't 'asking for it' nor was I encouraging you to steal it[/b]. You still committed a crime, and you still should pay for it. But did I contribute in some way by deciding to walk down the street covered in money? Was it a bad idea, and should I have known better? I think so.[/quote] Saying I was asking to get mugged and deserved it because I was wearing money is stupid. Saying that I could have avoided getting mugged and put myself in a bad situation is reasonable. Get rid of the mental baggage of rape for a second. Talk about mugging. Is there anything in the two lines above you disagree with?

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[QUOTE=catbarf;38958150] Get rid of the mental baggage of rape for a second. Talk about mugging. Is there anything in the two lines above you disagree with?[/QUOTE] This is a discussion about rape, not mugging. Regardless of your analogies.

[QUOTE=Cl0cK;38958167]This is a discussion about rape, not mugging. Regardless of your analogies.[/QUOTE] Lol, Facepunchers seem to have this fetish for not permitting analogies wherever said analogies don't work with them in an argument.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38958178]Lol, Facepunchers seem to have this fetish for not permitting analogies wherever said analogies don't work with them in an argument.[/QUOTE] He's trying to avoid talking about the subject in matter, that's trying to flee the real point of his analogy which is blaming the victim with a ridiculous argument. So yeah, I'm totally not permitting analogies that are terrible.

[QUOTE=Cl0cK;38958188]He's trying to avoid talking about the subject in matter, that's trying to flee the real point of his analogy which is blaming the victim with a ridiculous argument. So yeah, I'm totally not permitting analogies that are terrible.[/QUOTE] lol how the fuck is it terrible if it applies to this particular crime with megatons of emotional baggage then it will apply to a less traumatic crime. You just don't want to face it.

Do we have enough rapes by the football team to stop needing a sports team yet?

Just because she could have prevented it doesn't mean it is her fault, nor is it the bystanders' fault for not intervening, or the police department's fault for not stopping the party, or the alcohol's fault for being too strong, or congress's fault for not passing a NO PARTYING bill. You can blame anyone and everyone for the universe not aligning in such a way to prevent the rape, but you should probably blame the primary reason: [B]the rapist[/B]. This doesn't mean it is rude or unwise to give advice on how to prevent it next time, but I'm sure the girl already knows to not get black-out drunk at the next party she goes to.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38958116]Oh get off it. You're a gigantic moron if you flaunt cash in a ghetto like that. It's also stupid to get blacked out at a party, but as the above example was hyperbolic, less so.[/QUOTE] >Suburban white boy >Talking like he knows what its like in the ghetto >Sense, where the fuck are you.

[QUOTE=Aman VII;38954283]Well it's a bad idea to get black out drunk at a party to begin with. 99% of the rest of the blame can go on them though[/QUOTE] Blame the rape victim. NICE going Aman.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;38958281]>Suburban white boy >Talking like he knows what its like in the ghetto >Sense, where the fuck are you.[/QUOTE] ok i take it back it may be perfectly acceptable to wear a suit of $100 bills in the ghetto and I am ign'ant for suggesting otherwise

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[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38958313]ok i take it back it may be perfectly acceptable to wear a suit of $100 bills in the ghetto and I am ign'ant for suggesting otherwise[/QUOTE] Are you making fun of Ebonics now? To be honest, I didn't think you could get shittier but you are.

[QUOTE=Cl0cK;38958167]This is a discussion about rape, not mugging. Regardless of your analogies.[/QUOTE] If I got in a car with a drunk driver and got hurt, you'd say I shouldn't have gotten in. If I walked through a bad part of town late at night and got mugged, you'd say I should have been more careful. If I bought from a shady website and my credit card info got stolen, you'd say I should have been more cautious with my personal info. If I responded to a scam mail from a Nigerian prince and lost my life savings, you'd say I should have been more wary. But if I say a girl shouldn't have gotten blackout drunk at a party full of strangers, that's victim blaming and suddenly I'm an asshole?

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;38958416]Are you making fun of Ebonics now? To be honest, I didn't think you could get shittier but you are.[/QUOTE] What the fuck? I just used that word because it sounded stupid.

[QUOTE=catbarf;38958448]If I got in a car with a drunk driver and got hurt, you'd say I shouldn't have gotten in. If I walked through a bad part of town late at night and got mugged, you'd say I should have been more careful. If I bought from a shady website and my credit card info got stolen, you'd say I should have been more cautious with my personal info. If I responded to a scam mail from a Nigerian prince and lost my life savings, you'd say I should have been more wary. But if I say a girl shouldn't have gotten blackout drunk at a party full of strangers, that's victim blaming and suddenly I'm an asshole?[/QUOTE] yeah thats victim blaming because you're essentially laying responsibility for rape on the person who was raped what else would you call it

I think the real problem here is what the assistant coach or w/e was doing providing alcohol to minors probably caused because of the US's drinking age, if they just went out drinking in a bar this probably wouldn't have happened, house parties sort of encourage this kind of behavior because the lack of proper supervision by others. Also this girl would know her limits and not have blacked out if the US had a lower drinking age. Overall, a lack of responsibility on the part of adults caused the lack of responsibility in the team, causing the girl to get raped.

[QUOTE=catbarf;38958448] But if I say a girl shouldn't have gotten blackout drunk at a party full of strangers, that's victim blaming and suddenly I'm an asshole?[/QUOTE] Yes because there's a MASSIVE fucking difference between a car collision and being raped. How much do you hate women to try to make the focus of a story like this as the girl being at fault for her own rape? Are you out of your fucking mind?

[QUOTE=catbarf;38958448] But if I say a girl shouldn't have gotten blackout drunk at a party full of strangers, that's victim blaming and suddenly I'm an asshole?[/QUOTE] Yes.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38958549]Yes.[/QUOTE] I think you're being preposterous but let me just ask a question to see how preposterous. "Suddenly". "Suddenly I'm an asshole". Is that the part you agree with? Is every example that he listed victim blaming that makes him an asshole, or just the one about rape?

[QUOTE=Bobie;38958490]yeah thats victim blaming because you're essentially laying responsibility for rape on the person who was raped what else would you call it[/QUOTE] So are all the other examples I gave victim blaming too? Because I have a hard time imagining Facepunch leaping to the defense of the mugging victim with comments like 'it's 100% not his fault he got mugged for walking through a bad section of Philadelphia at 2AM'. Doesn't that sound a little ridiculous to you? Nobody's blaming the victim for the crime itself, which is something out of the victim's control. I'm saying the victim is responsible for being in a situation where she could become a victim in the first place (Who else is responsible for that?). Most people seem to have no problem applying this reasoning to every other crime (not my fault I got mugged, but I shouldn't have been there), which is why I am failing to understand what's different about rape cases. Can you tell me what the difference is? [QUOTE=Governor Goblin;38958520]How much do you hate women to try to make the focus of a story like this as the girl being at fault for her own rape? Are you out of your fucking mind?[/QUOTE] Don't put words in my mouth, I NEVER said it was her fault she got raped. I keep saying that every single post, but you and a couple of others seem to have this idea that implying the victim did [I]anything[/I] wrong is tantamount to saying she asked for it, and literally nobody is saying that at all.

[QUOTE=catbarf;38958603]So are all the other examples I gave victim blaming too? Because I have a hard time imagining Facepunch leaping to the defense of the mugging victim with comments like 'it's 100% not his fault he got mugged for walking through a bad section of Philadelphia at 2AM'. Doesn't that sound a little ridiculous to you? Nobody's blaming the victim for the crime itself, which is something out of the victim's control. I'm saying [B]the victim is responsible for being in a situation where she could become a victim in the first place[/B] (Who else is responsible for that?). Most people seem to have no problem applying this reasoning to every other crime (not my fault I got mugged, but I shouldn't have been there), which is why I am failing to understand what's different about rape cases. Can you tell me what the difference is? Don't put words in my mouth, [B]I NEVER said it was her fault[/B] she got raped. I keep saying that every single post, but you and a couple of others seem to have this idea that implying the victim did [I]anything[/I] wrong is tantamount to saying she asked for it, and literally nobody is saying that at all.[/QUOTE] lol

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38958589]I think you're being preposterous but let me just ask a question to see how preposterous. "Suddenly". "Suddenly I'm an asshole". Is that the part you agree with? Is every example that he listed victim blaming that makes him an asshole, or just the one about rape?[/QUOTE] Yes. Because tragedy shouldn't be diluted for your shitty political gain. ESPECIALLY for something as heinous as rape. What fucking part of this is SO difficult for you to understand?

[QUOTE=catbarf;38958603]So are all the other examples I gave victim blaming too? Because I have a hard time imagining Facepunch leaping to the defense of the mugging victim with comments like 'it's 100% not his fault he got mugged for walking through a bad section of Philadelphia at 2AM'. Doesn't that sound a little ridiculous to you? Nobody's blaming the victim for the crime itself, which is something out of the victim's control. I'm saying the victim is responsible for being in a situation where she could become a victim in the first place (Who else is responsible for that?). Most people seem to have no problem applying this reasoning to every other crime (not my fault I got mugged, but I shouldn't have been there), which is why I am failing to understand what's different about rape cases. Can you tell me what the difference is? Don't put words in my mouth, I NEVER said it was her fault she got raped. I keep saying that every single post, but you and a couple of others seem to have this idea that implying the victim did [I]anything[/I] wrong is tantamount to saying she asked for it, and literally nobody is saying that at all.[/QUOTE] so was she more responsible for her own rape than someone who was not blacked out?

[QUOTE=Bobie;38958660]so was she more responsible for her own rape than someone who was not blacked out?[/QUOTE] Am I more responsible for my own mugging than someone who is not downtown wearing a suit made of cash at 2AM?

[QUOTE=lil_n00blett;38954312]it shouldn't matter how drunk you get because you [B]shouldn't[/B] have to worry that you're gonna get dragged around and gangraped[/QUOTE] Naive people like you are the reason children are fucking idiots who expect the world to be bubble wrapped for them.

[QUOTE=catbarf;38958691]Am I more responsible for my own mugging than someone who is not downtown at 2AM?[/QUOTE] i don't even understand this sentence.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;38958649]Yes. Because tragedy shouldn't be diluted for your shitty political gain. ESPECIALLY for something as heinous as rape. What fucking part of this is SO difficult for you to understand?[/QUOTE] It's so difficult for me to understand because it's so [I]fucking stupid[/I] You are doing, what you are doing, is you are abandoning all reason so as not to cause offense to the victim. You're thinking and you're thinking and you're thinking about how to think about this, so as not to cause offense to the victim. Stop that shit. Of fucking course you're dumb for being in a car with a drunk driver. Of fucking course you're a [I]fucking moron[/I] in the hyperbolic example of a suit of money. That someone could view it any other way is absolutely incredible to me, and that is why it's so difficult for me to understand.

[QUOTE=The Baconator;38954396]"Don't be a snitch guys! It's so uncool"[/QUOTE] The negative attitude towards "snitching" is an attribute of human degeneracy; let us purge it from the minds of man.