Anonymous taking on Big Red High School football team from Ohio who raped a blacked out girl, carryi - Polidicks

[QUOTE=ShazzyFreak0;38958700]i don't even understand this sentence.[/QUOTE] Continuing the analogy from the previous page. Suppose I'm walking the streets of downtown Philadelphia at 2AM, wearing a suit made entirely of $100 dollar bills. Do I 'deserve' to get mugged? Am I 'asking for it'? No. Are there things I should have done differently, that contribute to my getting mugged? Am I responsible for that much? Yes. I still haven't gotten a straight answer as to whether this is victim blaming or not. If it is, then people are monumental hypocrites for only getting uppity about it when it pertains to rape cases. If not, then it's not victim blaming to say that a girl shouldn't get blackout drunk at a party full of strangers.

[QUOTE=catbarf;38958448]If I got in a car with a drunk driver and got hurt, you'd say I shouldn't have gotten in. If I walked through a bad part of town late at night and got mugged, you'd say I should have been more careful. If I bought from a shady website and my credit card info got stolen, you'd say I should have been more cautious with my personal info. If I responded to a scam mail from a Nigerian prince and lost my life savings, you'd say I should have been more wary. But if I say a girl shouldn't have gotten blackout drunk at a party full of strangers, that's victim blaming and suddenly I'm an asshole?[/QUOTE] Did you just compare falling for an email scam to having your accidentally-unconscious self dragged around from party to party by the football team and having them all cram their dicks into you and then passing you around to their friends? She blacked out from drinking and having fun at a party. Millions of people do that all the time. This situation can happen without rape all the time, and usually that's the case. It only involves rape when a rapist... Rapes someone.

blackbird88 i dont give a shit about ratings but i gotta know do you actually hate women or something realest of possible talks

[QUOTE=catbarf;38958759]I still haven't gotten a straight answer as to whether this is victim blaming or not.[/QUOTE] No, because there's a large difference between victim blaming and the victim being responsible. Victim blaming is when you dump the entirety of the blame on the victim.

[QUOTE=catbarf;38958691]Am I more responsible for my own mugging than someone who is not downtown wearing a suit made of cash at 2AM?[/QUOTE] answer the question. slightly disturbing how you compare a rape victim to a suit made of cash however

[QUOTE=Jonii;38958779]Did you just compare falling for an email scam to having your accidentally-unconscious self dragged around from party to party by the football team and having them all cram their dicks into you and then passing you around to their friends? She blacked out from drinking and having fun at a party. Millions of people do that all the time. This situation can happen without rape all the time, and usually that's the case. It only involves rape when a rapist... Rapes someone.[/QUOTE] I fucking hate this "Did you just compare" bullshit. It's in every damn thread. Compare something bad to something not-so-bad and fuck you, your comparison is invalid, because this is bad so it's in a class by itself. What logic is that? If it applies to crime A then it applies to crime B. Fuck emotional baggage. [editline]rstoianrosietnareisntoaeirsntoianrsoitenariost[/editline] [QUOTE=Bobie;38958807]answer the question. slightly disturbing how you compare a rape victim to a suit made of cash however[/QUOTE] oh ok

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;38954263]WHY do these kinds of fuckwads ALWAYS have to show up?![/QUOTE] "Naw dude, I just took the bike because it was unlocked. Somebody left it unlocked so it wasn't stealing when I took the bike from them." Such daft logic

[QUOTE=catbarf;38958759]Continuing the analogy from the previous page. Suppose I'm walking the streets of downtown Philadelphia at 2AM, wearing a suit made entirely of $100 dollar bills. Do I 'deserve' to get mugged? Am I 'asking for it'? No. Are there things I should have done differently, that contribute to my getting mugged? Am I responsible for that much? Yes. I still haven't gotten a straight answer as to whether this is victim blaming or not. If it is, then people are monumental hypocrites for only getting uppity about it when it pertains to rape cases. If not, then it's not victim blaming to say that a girl shouldn't get blackout drunk at a party full of strangers.[/QUOTE] The problem is that this doesn't have anything to do with it. Should she have practiced safer drinking? Yeah. Did she put herself at risk? Yeah. But someone else decided it was okay to rape her. Her unsafe drinking should have only been her decision to put her liver and brain at risk. When someone else decides it's okay to rape her, that is entirely the rapist's fault, and her potentially hangover-giving behavior is not at fault. It's not that we think it's fine that she blacked out, it's that people are saying "yeah, she got raped, but she blacked out, so..." That's the problem.

[QUOTE=Jonii;38958854]The problem is that this doesn't have anything to do with it. Should she have practiced safer drinking? Yeah. Did she put herself at risk? Yeah. But someone else decided it was okay to rape her. Her unsafe drinking should have only been her decision to put her liver and brain at risk. When someone else decides it's okay to rape her, that is entirely the rapist's fault, and her potentially hangover-giving behavior is not at fault. It's not that we think it's fine that she blacked out, it's that people are saying "yeah, she got raped, but she blacked out, so..." That's the problem.[/QUOTE] and none of the people in this thread are fuckwits like that so we aight

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38958882]and none of the people in this thread are fuckwits like that so we aight[/QUOTE] Then why was it even a discussion in the thread? It was brought up in a thread about rape in connection to why it happened, when it has nothing to so with it.

[quote]"yeah, she got raped, but she blacked out, so..." [/quote] That's fucking [I]stupid.[/I] Anyone who seriously looks down on this girl is [I]god damned stupid.[/I] They may exist, but a distinction must be made here. I am not such a person. If I say that this girl could have gone about it differently and possibly avoided it, I am not looking down on the girl. If I say that my definition of blame would necessarily place 1% of the blame on the girl for being irresponsible then I am not looking down on the girl. Realize that I am not a monster, that I cannot be classified with these people.

[QUOTE=Jonii;38958854]The problem is that this doesn't have anything to do with it. Should she have practiced safer drinking? Yeah. Did she put herself at risk? Yeah. But someone else decided it was okay to rape her. Her unsafe drinking should have only been her decision to put her liver and brain at risk. When someone else decides it's okay to rape her, that is entirely the rapist's fault, and her potentially hangover-giving behavior is not at fault. It's not that we think it's fine that she blacked out, it's that people are saying "yeah, she got raped, but she blacked out, so..." That's the problem.[/QUOTE] She is responsible for her own actions, just as the rapists are. The rapists were the ones who decided to rape her, but her own actions are what allowed them to do it. Are the rapists innocent? Fuck no. Did she deserve it? Of course not. No one [b]ever[/b] deserves to be raped. That does not mean that her choices did not have a role in her what happened to her, and that she could not have taken a few simple precautions to prevent it. Victim-coddling is just as fucking bad as victim-blaming.

[QUOTE=Jonii;38958930]Then why was it even a discussion in the thread? It was brought up in a thread about rape in connection to why it happened, when it has nothing to so with it.[/QUOTE] Well, because we're not saying it's her fault she got raped, we're saying her decision to get blackout drunk was a Bad Idea and contributed to it. The argument here is that it seems that some feel that ascribing any responsibility to the victim's actions is victim blaming, which I personally do not understand. [QUOTE=Bobie;38958807]answer the question.[/QUOTE] I did. It depends on how you view victim responsibility, which should be exactly the same with rape cases as with muggings and all other sorts of crimes. I think getting drunk at a party can contribute to a rape, just as walking down the street at night can contribute to a mugging. That doesn't make the crime the victim's fault, but it shouldn't be taboo to suggest that the victim's choices contributed to the crime, or that they should have chosen differently. [QUOTE=Bobie;38958807]slightly disturbing how you compare a rape victim to a suit made of cash however[/QUOTE] In retrospect, you're right, but it's just an analogy.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38958957]That's fucking [I]stupid.[/I] Anyone who seriously looks down on this girl is [I]god damned stupid.[/I] They may exist, but a distinction must be made here. I am not such a person. If I say that this girl could have gone about it differently and possibly avoided it, I am not looking down on the girl. If I say that my definition of blame would necessarily place 1% of the blame on the girl for being irresponsible then I am not looking down on the girl. Realize that I am not a monster, that I cannot be classified with these people.[/QUOTE] What the fuck is the point of blaming the victim for rape if you're SO convinced you're a decent person and totally not a misogynist.

[QUOTE=catbarf;38958987]Well, because we're not saying it's her fault she got raped, we're saying her decision to get blackout drunk was a Bad Idea and contributed to it. The argument here is that it seems that some feel that ascribing any responsibility to the victim's actions is victim blaming, which I personally do not understand. I did. It depends on how you view victim responsibility, which should be exactly the same with rape cases as with muggings and all other sorts of crimes. I think getting drunk at a party can contribute to a rape, just as walking down the street at night can contribute to a mugging. That doesn't make the crime the victim's fault, but it shouldn't be taboo to suggest that the victim's choices contributed to the crime, or that they should have chosen differently. In retrospect, you're right, but it's just an analogy.[/QUOTE] stepping outside of your house contributes to a rape. being a woman contributes to rape. having a single fucking drink contributes to a rape, hell, even being alive contributes to rape whether or not she's a weightlifting self defense master or a vegetable it [i]DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER[/i] - the problem and responsibility lies with the rapist and not the woman who made the personal decision to effect herself and only herself.

The women is at fault for not triple bolting her doors to make sure that rapist didn't get in. r/Mensrights.

[QUOTE=Bobie;38959014]stepping outside of your house contributes to a rape. being a woman contributes to rape. having a single fucking drink contributes to a rape, hell, even being alive contributes to rape whether or not she's a weightlifting self defense master or a vegetable it [i]DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER[/i] - the problem and responsibility lies with the rapist and not the woman who made the personal decision to effect herself and only herself.[/QUOTE] ok yes if getting blacked out drunk gets you 1% of responsibility then stepping out of your house gets you .0001% or something you're still doing this thing where you're trying to avoid the obvious and inevitable, you should probably stop

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38959041]ok yes if getting blacked out drunk gets you 1% of responsibility then stepping out of your house gets you .0001% or something you're still doing this thing where you're trying to avoid the obvious and inevitable, you should probably stop[/QUOTE] are we making some kind of 'rape responsibility' chart now or something its irrelevant and stupid

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38959041]ok yes if getting blacked out drunk gets you 1% of responsibility then stepping out of your house gets you .0001% or something you're still doing this thing where you're trying to avoid the obvious and inevitable, you should probably stop[/QUOTE] you should probably stop blaming the victim when it's entirely pointless and just makes you look like a total anti-women douche.

[QUOTE=Bobie;38959052]are we making some kind of 'rape responsibility' chart now or something its irrelevant and stupid[/QUOTE] Please realize that I use "1%" to mean "a very small proportion" and ".0001%" to mean "yeah it's technically there but it's negligible so whatever".

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38959077]Please realize that I use "1%" to mean "a very small proportion" and ".0001%" to mean "yeah it's technically there but it's negligible so whatever".[/QUOTE] Okay, so explain to us HOW THE FUCK THIS MATTERS at all in any fucking facet of life?

[QUOTE=Bobie;38959014]stepping outside of your house contributes to a rape. being a woman contributes to rape. having a single fucking drink contributes to a rape, hell, even being alive contributes to rape[/QUOTE] All true, to differing degrees. Walking outside contributes to being mugged, walking outside in the middle of the night in a bad part of town contributes a lot more. It's never a black and white thing, which is why I'm disagreeing with is the notion that nothing possibly contributes and the victim could not have done anything wrong at all that contributed to the crime being committed. [QUOTE=Bobie;38959014]whether or not she's a weightlifting self defense master or a vegetable it [i]DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER[/i] - the problem and responsibility lies with the rapist and not the woman who made the personal decision to effect herself and only herself.[/QUOTE] Yes, it's still the rapist's fault, not hers. But in any crime there are always things that contribute to being victimized, things that people have a personal responsibility to avoid. Keep your windows and doors locked at night, don't go out alone, don't give your financial info to strangers, stay away from bad parts of town, [i]don't black out at parties full of people you don't trust[/i]. That's it. That's literally all I'm saying.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38959077]Please realize that I use "1%" to mean "a very small proportion" and ".0001%" to mean "yeah it's technically there but it's negligible so whatever".[/QUOTE] it [i]doesnt matter[/i] it makes no difference, as ive said, to anything whatsoever. it's her right to black out drunk. it's not another man's right to take advantage of that. to imply that women shouldn't have choice over their own actions is absurdly misogynistic, but to then lay responsibility for their own rape on themselves is downright disgusting.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;38959086]Okay, so explain to us HOW THE FUCK THIS MATTERS at all in any fucking facet of life?[/QUOTE] Because you're pretty damn stupid to get passed out at a party and some people are convinced that it's perfectly A-OK or something [editline]24th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Bobie;38959110]it [i]doesnt matter[/i] it makes no difference, as ive said, to anything whatsoever. it's her right to black out drunk. it's not another man's right to take advantage of that. to imply that women shouldn't have choice over their own actions is absurdly misogynistic, but to then lay responsibility for their own rape on themselves is downright disgusting.[/QUOTE] it's my right to play russian roulette but i'm pretty damn stupid if I do

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38958589]I think you're being preposterous but let me just ask a question to see how preposterous. "Suddenly". "Suddenly I'm an asshole". Is that the part you agree with? Is every example that he listed victim blaming that makes him an asshole, or just the one about rape?[/QUOTE] He's an asshole for not realizing the differences between his various examples.

In a civilized country, when I get blackout drunk, I'm not expecting to get repeatedly gang-raped at different parties.

[I]"she couldn't say no because she's had too much to drink, so it's awwright :q:"[/I] For fucks sake, what were those moronic plebeians thinking?

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38959116]Because you're pretty damn stupid to get passed out at a party and some people are convinced that it's perfectly A-OK or something [editline]24th December 2012[/editline] it's my right to play russian roulette but i'm pretty damn stupid if I do[/QUOTE] the difference between russian roulette and statutory rape is, the woman brings it upon herself if she shoots herself in the head. a woman doesn't bring rape upon herself by being unconscious lol

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38959152]He's an asshole for not realizing the differences between his various examples.[/QUOTE] OK, so what difference? does the victim of rape become magically immune to responsibility for her own actions because of your shitty emotional baggage as a result of it being a more serious offense?

He's an asshole for not realizing the ethical implications or social repercussions for saying that a woman can be partly responsible (and that IS what he's saying) for her own rape/not realizing how that differs from saying 'you shouldn't get in a car driven by a drunk guy'. [editline]24th December 2012[/editline] that was supposed to automerge