Anonymous taking on Big Red High School football team from Ohio who raped a blacked out girl, carryi - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38959412]"Blame" and "responsibility" are concepts with great big bad connotations. If you think it down to the core ideals, then yes, there is responsibility there, as bad as that naturally sounds.[/QUOTE] so you're saying there is some responsibility for her own rape [img]http://i.snag.gy/lVMfr.jpg[/img] "being accountable or to blame for something" sounds like victim blaming to me.

I don't think you are to blame if you get flat out drunk at a party, and are then taken advantage of. Rape is never excusable, and it is never the victim's fault. It's the same with theft, and scamming; no matter what the victim does, they are not to blame for the actions of the perpetrator. With that said, being a victim does not exclude the possibility that you are a fucking dumbass.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38959412]"Blame" and "responsibility" are concepts with great big bad connotations. If you think it down to the core ideals, then yes, there is responsibility there, as bad as that naturally sounds.[/QUOTE] You still have yet to prove why or how this is the girls fault or why it even matters in the first place.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38959412]"Blame" and "responsibility" are concepts with great big bad connotations. If you think it down to the core ideals, then yes, there is responsibility there, as bad as that naturally sounds.[/QUOTE] How about this? How about you don't blame or place any responsibility on the victim so all we, as a society, have to care about is putting the people who rape other people into fucking jail? How about when you think about saying something like "she shouldn't have gotten drunk" you stop yourself from saying that and say "let's arrest the people who raped her and then find them guilty in a court of law" instead? How is that fucking hard?

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38959394]That's the problem. That's what the people in this thread are doing when they say "she shouldn't have gotten drunk". They are REMOVING blame from the perpetrators by placing some of it on the victim. It doesn't matter if that's not what they're [i]trying[/i] to do; they're doing it anyway. Every time someone says "she shouldn't have gotten drunk" they are making it slightly more ok to rape someone by taking a little bit of the blame off of the rapists. Words mean things, they affect the world around us and shape our social attitudes which, in turn, affect and direct our actions. That's why anyone who comes into a thread like this to say "maybe she shouldn't have gotten drunk" needs to [i]shut the fuck up.[/i][/QUOTE] yea and i dont agree with anyone who says "well she shouldn't have gotten drunk". no one expects to be raped when they get drunk, no one should fear that they might be violated when going to a party with their fucking school. but at the same time you can teach young women that if they take certain steps they can potentially avoid these sorts of situations.

[QUOTE=Bobie;38959433]so you're saying there is some responsibility for her own rape [img]http://i.snag.gy/lVMfr.jpg[/img] "being accountable or to blame for something" sounds like victim blaming to me.[/QUOTE] This argument is seriously the stupidest fucking argument and I'm tired of hearing it. Yes, victims can be [b]partly[/b] responsible for what happens to them. If you don't like it, get the fuck out of the universe, because you are ruining it by teaching people that there's nothing they can do to prevent bad things from happening to them. [editline]oh hamburgers[/editline] [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38959454]How about this? How about you don't blame or place any responsibility on the victim so all we, as a society, have to care about is putting the people who rape other people into fucking jail?[/QUOTE] "Let's not stop the problem from happening, let's just let it happen and clean up afterwards"

[QUOTE=Paramud;38959477]This argument is seriously the stupidest fucking argument and I'm tired of hearing it. Yes, victims can be partly responsible for what happens to them. If you don't like it, get the fuck out of the universe, because you are ruining it by teaching people that there's nothing they can do to prevent bad things from happening to them.[/QUOTE] every victim of a crime ever is partially responsible for what happened to them because they placed themselves in that circumstance in which they could become a victim

Go Anonymous. Protecting the rights of the world since 2008. Seriously remind me to stay away from that town.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38959466] but at the same time you can teach young women that if they take certain steps they can potentially avoid these sorts of situations.[/QUOTE] Cool; go become a youth counselor then so you can do that. Talking like that on a forum full of teenaged male internet nerds is just going to legitimize rape.

[QUOTE=Bobie;38959493]every victim of a crime ever is partially responsible for what happened to them because they placed themselves in that circumstance in which they could become a victim[/QUOTE] "You the victim of this crime are technically to blame for the crime to a negligible extent" I don't see what's so bad about this, it's just "victim blaming" so auto-bad

[QUOTE=Paramud;38959477]This argument is seriously the stupidest fucking argument and I'm tired of hearing it. Yes, victims can be [b]partly[/b] responsible for what happens to them. If you don't like it, get the fuck out of the universe, because you are ruining it by teaching people that there's nothing they can do to prevent bad things from happening to them.[/QUOTE] if i am killed in a bank robbery was i partially responsible for my murder by being at the bank at the wrong time?

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38959509]"You the victim of this crime are technically to blame for the crime to a negligible extent" I don't see what's so bad about this, it's just "victim blaming" so auto-bad[/QUOTE] i guess she was pretty much asking to be raped by being at the party anyway right

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38959509]"You the victim of this crime are technically to blame for the crime to a negligible extent" I don't see what's so bad about this, it's just "victim blaming" so auto-bad[/QUOTE] hi there, hello [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38959394]That's the problem. That's what the people in this thread are doing when they say "she shouldn't have gotten drunk". They are REMOVING blame from the perpetrators by placing some of it on the victim. It doesn't matter if that's not what they're trying to do; they're doing it anyway. Every time someone says "she shouldn't have gotten drunk" they are making it slightly more ok to rape someone by taking a little bit of the blame off of the rapists. Words mean things, they affect the world around us and shape our social attitudes which, in turn, affect and direct our actions. That's why anyone who comes into a thread like this to say "maybe she shouldn't have gotten drunk" needs to shut the fuck up.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38959454]How about this? How about you don't blame or place any responsibility on the victim so all we, as a society, have to care about is putting the people who rape other people into fucking jail? How about when you think about saying something like "she shouldn't have gotten drunk" you stop yourself from saying that and say "let's arrest the people who raped her and then find them guilty in a court of law" instead? How is that fucking hard?[/QUOTE] Why don't I throw my efforts at what logically and rationally makes sense, and at the same time enjoy that doing so doesn't harm the cause? [editline]24th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;38959513]if i am killed in a bank robbery was i partially responsible for my murder by being at the bank at the wrong time?[/QUOTE] To a tiny absolutely small totally negligible extent yes, these things logically don't go away when they get small they just cease meaning anything

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38959513]if i am killed in a bank robbery was i partially responsible for my murder by being at the bank at the wrong time?[/QUOTE] Depends. Did you put yourself at an unnecessary risk of a foreseeable event, such as provoking the robbers or attempting to stop them?

[QUOTE=Bobie;38959516]i guess she was pretty much asking to be raped by being at the party anyway right[/QUOTE] I don't give a shit. "Responsibility" to "Blame the victim" to "Asking for it" You're just making an escalator of bad connotations here.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38959534]To a tiny absolutely small totally negligible extent yes, these things logically don't go away when they get small they just cease meaning anything[/QUOTE] why would you argue a point that has no meaning, then?

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38959557]I don't give a shit. "Responsibility" to "Blame the victim" to "Asking for it" You're just making an escalator of bad connotations here.[/QUOTE] i already gave you the dictionary definition bro, this is class A blaming the victim

my chart says its 22.87% her fault for wearing easily accessible clothing and not being armed.

[QUOTE=Paramud;38959554]Depends. Did you put yourself at an unnecessary risk of a foreseeable event, such as provoking the robbers or attempting to stop them?[/QUOTE] what would you deem an unnecessary risk? hindsight is always 20/20, it's nearly impossible to determine what a "foreseeable event" is or whether a risk taken was "necessary" or not before the fact.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38959534]Why don't I throw my efforts at what logically and rationally makes sense, and at the same time enjoy that doing so doesn't harm the cause? [/QUOTE] Because you fucking can't. You don't get to choose what effect the words you say have on other people, you just get to choose what words you say. Placing the blame for getting raped on the victim is a socially irresponsible thing to do. No amount of shitty, pedantic contrarianism on your part is going to change that.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38959561]why would you argue a point that has no meaning, then?[/QUOTE] I ain't arguing it; I ain't saying you should avoid banks, I ain't saying you should avoid stepping out of your house to avoid contact with people. [editline]24th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38959586]Because you fucking can't. You don't get to choose what effect the words you say have on other people, you just get to choose what words you say. Placing the blame for getting raped on the victim is a socially irresponsible thing to do. No amount of shitty, pedantic contrarianism on your part is going to change that.[/QUOTE] Do you think that I want to do this, go to the rape victim and tell her this? No, I simply want to be realistic about the events that lead up to it, it is YOUR faction that is proclaiming and pushing me to say that technically yes it is victim blaming. I wouldn't otherwise, I have compassion.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38959587]I ain't arguing it; I ain't saying you should avoid banks, I ain't saying you should avoid stepping out of your house to avoid contact with people.[/QUOTE] but then what are you even arguing? you are saying that out there exists a small absolutely meaningless piece of data that has no bearing on the situation. and by arguing that insignificant point you inadvertently imply the exact opposite of what you meant, making yourself look like a total and complete asshole with no compassion whatsoever. so what exactly are you trying to do?

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38959587] Do you think that I want to do this, go to the rape victim and tell her this? [/QUOTE] Elecbullet is the REAL victim here.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38959587]I ain't arguing it; I ain't saying you should avoid banks, I ain't saying you should avoid stepping out of your house to avoid contact with people.[/QUOTE] You are saying that women shouldn't drink alcohol because it would be partly their fault if someone took advantage of them while they were inebriated. That's literally what you are arguing. No amount of squirming and weaseling around will change that very clear interpretation of the words you are typing.

[quote]Some residents and others on social media blamed the girl, saying she put the football team in a bad light and put herself in a position to be violated.[/quote] i think these people need to be hit with a very large stick

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38959579]what would you deem an unnecessary risk? hindsight is always 20/20, it's nearly impossible to determine what a "foreseeable event" is or whether a risk taken was "necessary" or not before the fact.[/QUOTE] An unnecessary risk being something that you did not need to do at all that noticeably increases the chance of danger. Something that could've been prevented with a few simple actions.

[QUOTE=Roger Waters;38959634]i think these people need to be hit with a very large stick[/QUOTE] elecbullet has a right to his opinion

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38959622]but then what are you even arguing? you are saying that out there exists a small absolutely meaningless piece of data that has no bearing on the situation. and by arguing that insignificant point you inadvertently imply the exact opposite of what you meant, making yourself look like a total and complete asshole with no compassion whatsoever. so what exactly are you trying to do?[/QUOTE] What is my alternative? If getting drunk makes you somewhat responsible then logically yes, it follows that doing something like going to the bank makes you responsible to a pointlessly negligible extent. I must express this; however, having done so I have no reason to further discuss it because it's meaningless in reality.

[QUOTE=Paramud;38959641]An unnecessary risk being something that you did not need to do at all that noticeably increases the chance of danger. Something that could've been prevented with a few simple actions.[/QUOTE] ok then if i am fat, and i end up being attacked by some crazy man and i weigh too much to outrun him, would that make me responsible? being fat could be deemed an unnecessary risk.