Anonymous taking on Big Red High School football team from Ohio who raped a blacked out girl, carryi - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Paramud;38959929]If they are. There are rape victims who genuinely had no way of preventing what happened to them, you know. Hi dori, how are you?[/QUOTE] no way of preventing it? they could've just stayed indoors that day. they're as much to blame for being there as the drunk girl is. [editline]24th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=catbarf;38959911]Sure would be fine and dandy to prevent murderers, thieves, scammers, and all sorts of other criminals, too, but you would still be a colossal jackass if you told someone that them giving advice to avoid being mugged is bad and they're just teaching people to be afraid and really there's nothing they can do to avoid being murdered/mugged/scammed anyways and should just roll with it. Advising caution doesn't presuppose blame on the part of the victim.[/QUOTE] i preferred the suit of cash analogy to the mugging

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38959917]there's a difference between saying "you shouldn't get black out drunk at a party" and saying "the rape victim shouldn't have gotten black out drunk at that party" one is a piece of advice, the other is blaming a rape victim. it might look subtle, but there is really a world of difference between the two.[/QUOTE] I see the world of difference. The one after the fact achieves nothing beneficial with regards to the victim, but saying "you shouldn't get black out drunk at a party" whether it hurts the rape victim or not is a wise thing to tell others.

[QUOTE=Bobie;38959954]no way of preventing it? they could've just stayed indoors that day. they're as much to blame for being there as the drunk girl is.[/QUOTE] the only blameless rape victim is a woman in a coma lying in her hospital bed when she was raped. and even then the slut prolly shouldn't have been at that hospital in the first place!

[QUOTE=Bobie;38959954]no way of preventing it? they could've just stayed indoors that day. they're as much to blame for being there as the drunk girl is.[/QUOTE] For being there? Sure. For being unconscious? Not quite.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38959966]I see the world of difference. The one after the fact achieves nothing beneficial with regards to the victim, but saying "you shouldn't get black out drunk at a party" whether it hurts the rape victim or not is a wise thing to tell others.[/QUOTE] so say the first one. you've been saying the second one throughout this thread.

[QUOTE=Bobie;38959954]no way of preventing it? they could've just stayed indoors that day. they're as much to blame for being there as the drunk girl is.[/QUOTE] No, without proposing an actual way to quantify blame (1% and .0001% were numerical examples) stepping outside is not as bad a decision as getting drunk.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38959968]the only blameless rape victim is a woman in a coma lying in her hospital bed when she was raped. and even then the slut prolly shouldn't have been at that hospital in the first place![/QUOTE] "my name's buck, and i like to fuck" [editline]24th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Elecbullet;38959981]No, without proposing an actual way to quantify blame (1% and .0001% were numerical examples) stepping outside is not as bad a decision as getting drunk.[/QUOTE] it isn't?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38959978]so say the first one. you've been saying the second one throughout this thread.[/QUOTE] If she had not been black out drunk, none of this would have happened. Are you saying you wanted the girl raped?

[QUOTE=Bobie;38959983]it isn't?[/QUOTE] If you argue against this you are laughable in how willing you are to delude yourself

[QUOTE=Paramud;38960003]If she had not been black out drunk, none of this would have happened. Are you saying you wanted the girl raped?[/QUOTE] if she blacked out an hour later none of this might have happened! MAYBE SHE SHOULDN'T BE DRINKING SO EARLY! THE WHORE!

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38960015]If you argue against this you are laughable in how willing you are to delude yourself[/QUOTE] i think a sober woman walking through an alleyway has as much conscious choice in the matter of doing so as somebody who blacks out from being drunk.

[QUOTE=Bobie;38960027]i think a sober woman walking through an alleyway has as much conscious choice in the matter of doing so as somebody who blacks out from being drunk.[/QUOTE] okay now you add more to the story [B]yes of fucking course[/B] walking through a dark alleyway in a shithole part of town can be a bad decision on the level of getting drunk off your ass

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38960052]okay now you add more to the story [B]yes of fucking course[/B] walking through a dark alleyway in a shithole part of town can be a bad decision on the level of getting drunk off your ass[/QUOTE] so the action of walking is now considered a contribution towards a potential rape?

damn bullet you are seriously strengthening stereotypes against some of my least favorite people bless you buddy

[QUOTE=Bobie;38960067]so the action of walking is now considered a contribution towards a potential rape?[/QUOTE] So, just to be certain, you're not presenting an argument anymore?

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38960052]okay now you add more to the story [B]yes of fucking course[/B] walking through a dark alleyway in a shithole part of town can be a bad decision on the level of getting drunk off your ass[/QUOTE] Still waiting on an answer to why pinning blame to a victim matters or helps or does anything at all

[QUOTE=Bobie;38960067]so the action of walking is now considered a contribution towards a potential rape?[/QUOTE] it's the combination of walking and being a woman

[QUOTE=Paramud;38960081]So, just to be certain, you're not presenting an argument anymore?[/QUOTE] just to be certain, are you purposely not critically thinking or have you not been taught how to yet? the point he's making should be pretty clear.

[QUOTE=Paramud;38960081]So, just to be certain, you're not presenting an argument anymore?[/QUOTE] i'm not presenting an argument, i'm just looking for some extra factors i haven't added to my rape responsibility chart. don't know how i could forget 'having basic motor functions'

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38960101]just to be certain, are you purposely not critically thinking or have you not been taught how to yet? the point he's making should be pretty clear.[/QUOTE] He's not making a point. But hey next you'll be telling me I'm saying she was asking for it by being born! Oh, what a stupid misogynist am I, I just hate those womans! You're arguing so cleverly!

People as a whole have a right to safety and security of person no matter the conditions. No matter where they may be, who they are, what they look like, anything. They always have a right to be safe and secure.

[QUOTE=Bobie;38960067]so the action of walking is now considered a contribution towards a potential rape?[/QUOTE] I guess walking is a contribution towards a potential mugging. Guess that means I shouldn't bother avoiding bad parts of town, being alone, or being out late at night? Is that the argument you're making? I mean this is getting so hyperbolic it's ridiculous, I don't even know what we're talking about anymorre. The point is not to pin blame on the victim, the point is that there are steps people can take to avoid becoming victims in the first place, and some things represent greater risks than others. Walking outside is not a significant risk. Walking down a dark alley at night is.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;38960140]People as a whole have a right to safety and security of person no matter the conditions. No matter where they may be, who they are, what they look like, anything. They always have a right to be safe and secure.[/QUOTE] Yes, but that doesn't mean you'll retain that safety no matter what you do.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;38960140]People as a whole have a right to safety and security of person no matter the conditions. No matter where they may be, who they are, what they look like, anything. They always have a right to be safe and secure.[/QUOTE] That's a noble idea, but it's not borne out in reality, and more important it's terrible advice. People shouldn't stop being cautious because they have a [i]right[/i] to be safe and secure no matter what they do.

[QUOTE=catbarf;38960165]I guess walking is a contribution towards a potential mugging. Guess that means I shouldn't bother avoiding bad parts of town, being alone, or being out late at night? Is that the argument you're making? I mean this is getting so hyperbolic it's ridiculous, I don't even know what we're talking about anymorre. The point is not to pin blame on the victim, the point is that there are steps people can take to avoid becoming victims in the first place, and some things represent greater risks than others. Walking outside is not a significant risk. Walking down a dark alley at night is.[/QUOTE] pinning responsibility is synonymous with blame. blaming the victim does nothing. how about instead of telling people to avoid the alleyway, improve the area the alleyway is in? hm?

[QUOTE=Paramud;38960128]He's not making a point. But hey next you'll be telling me I'm saying she was asking for it by being born! Oh, what a stupid misogynist am I, I just hate those womans! You're arguing so cleverly![/QUOTE] you are still missing the point. there are millions of variables that can contribute to a rape by your logic. simply exiting the house contributes to your risk of being raped. who the fuck are you to decide that those risks were necessary, that they led to a foreseeable outcome(i've never known a single human being that expected to get raped while they were drunk btw), or that they were a big enough contribution to some imaginary, completely out-of-your-ass rape-risk meter that you invented for the sole purpose of placing blame on rape victims?

[QUOTE=catbarf;38960188]That's a noble idea, but it's not borne out in reality, and more important it's terrible advice. People shouldn't stop being cautious because they have a [i]right[/i] to be safe and secure no matter what they do.[/QUOTE] This website wants my credit card information but I have a right to safety and security so I'll trust them What could go wrong? [editline]24th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;38960202]there are millions of variables that can contribute to a rape by your logic. simply exiting the house contributes to your risk of being raped.[/QUOTE] And with a few simple precautions you can drastically reduce those chances. And you're saying we shouldn't tell people about those because we'll hurt their poor feelings :(

[QUOTE=Bobie;38960201]pinning responsibility is synonymous with blame. blaming the victim does nothing. how about instead of telling people to avoid the alleyway, improve the area the alleyway is in? hm?[/QUOTE] In reality, though, if you tell your daughter to avoid that alleyway she is less likely to be raped. So do that. You monster.

[QUOTE=Paramud;38960166]Yes, but that doesn't mean you'll retain that safety no matter what you do.[/QUOTE] Therefore it's not the fault of the person.

[QUOTE=Bobie;38960201]how about instead of telling people to avoid the alleyway, improve the area the alleyway is in? hm?[/QUOTE] How about we try both instead of insisting people can live in a fantasy world where they don't have to face risks, and when someone forgets and takes the alleyway and becomes a victim, we blame the perpetrator but don't ignore that the alley still isn't a safe path? That's all I'm advocating here.