Anonymous taking on Big Red High School football team from Ohio who raped a blacked out girl, carryi - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Paramud;38960204]This website wants my credit card information but I have a right to safety and security so I'll trust them What could go wrong?[/QUOTE] um i do that all the fucking time when i buy shit online so yea it's a pretty decent expectation not to have your money stolen when you put your credit card on a website.

You guys are really fucking naive you know that

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38960236]In reality, though, if you tell your daughter to avoid that alleyway she is less likely to be raped. So do that. You monster.[/QUOTE] it's nice to know you deal with serious societal issues such as statutory rape by telling people to pretend they don't exist and just stay away from them

[QUOTE=Paramud;38960204] And with a few simple precautions you can drastically reduce those chances. And you're saying we shouldn't tell people about those because we'll hurt their poor feelings :([/QUOTE] no im saying we shouldn't be shaming a victim because they chose not to follow that advice.

[QUOTE=Bobie;38960067]so the action of walking is now considered a contribution towards a potential rape?[/QUOTE] this whole "let's strip logistics and details in order to get to the root of the problem" doesn't work and hasn't worked. how are you going to say walking in a house and walking through a field of volcanic rock are the same thing?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38960242]um i do that all the fucking time when i buy shit online so yea it's a pretty decent expectation not to have your money stolen when you put your credit card on a website.[/QUOTE] Can I have your credit card info bbz? u can trust me u have a right to safe and secure ;) [editline]24th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;38960259]no im saying we shouldn't be shaming a victim because they chose not to follow that advice.[/QUOTE] Which no one was doing.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;38960092]Still waiting on an answer to why pinning blame to a victim matters or helps or does anything at all[/QUOTE] Telling people not to get drunk achieves my purpose. Saying on an Internet forum that she should not have gotten drunk achieves the purpose as well, with the addition of being crude to her. Maybe I should not do that. I apologize for that, then.

[QUOTE=Paramud;38960265] Which no one was doing.[/QUOTE] except you

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38960284]except you[/QUOTE] Do provide an example.

[QUOTE=Paramud;38960166]Yes, but that doesn't mean you'll retain that safety no matter what you do.[/QUOTE]Yes it does actually. As long as you don't do anything to violate the rights of others, yours are to be respected.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38960281]Telling people not to get drunk achieves my purpose. Telling her she should not have gotten drunk achieves the purpose as well, with the addition of being crude to her. Maybe I should not do that. I apologize for that, then.[/QUOTE] telling her she shouldn't have gotten drunk doesn't "un-rape" her no matter how true the statement is in your eyes. it serves no purpose except to shame the victim.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;38960289]Yes it does actually. As long as you don't do anything to violate the rights of others, yours are to be respected.[/QUOTE] (people don't always respect the rights of others, and you shouldn't always expect them to) [editline]24th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;38960293]telling her she shouldn't have gotten drunk doesn't "un-rape" her no matter how true the statement is in your eyes. it serves no purpose except to shame the victim.[/QUOTE] No one was arguing that telling her not to do that again will unrape her you fucking tool.

[QUOTE=Paramud;38960287]Do provide an example.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Paramud;38960003]If she had not been black out drunk, none of this would have happened. Are you saying you wanted the girl raped?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Paramud;38959929]If they are. There are rape victims who genuinely had no way of preventing what happened to them, you know. [/QUOTE] that's 2 from the last page

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38960293]telling her she shouldn't have gotten drunk doesn't "un-rape" her no matter how true the statement is in your eyes. it serves no purpose except to shame the victim.[/QUOTE] I certainly don't think it will un-rape her. I don't think about it in terms of what it does to her to say these things on an internet forum, but what it means for society. I am telling society that it is a bad idea to get drunk- this is good. At the same time I am being cruel to her, by using her as an example, so perhaps I should aviod that.

[QUOTE=Paramud;38960298](people don't always respect the rights of others, and you shouldn't always expect them to)[/QUOTE]That doesn't mean any goddamned thing.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;38960289]Yes it does actually.[/QUOTE] Uh, what? No, in the real world, you do not always retain your right to be safe and secure. Your 'right' is not always respected. Bad things happen to good people. This shouldn't have to be pointed out.

[QUOTE=Bobie;38960201]pinning responsibility is synonymous with blame. blaming the victim does nothing. how about instead of telling people to avoid the alleyway, improve the area the alleyway is in? hm?[/QUOTE] because that's a whole issue, one much larger then simply telling one to avoid the alley. it sucks that people aren't safe everywhere in the world but to deny the fact and live ignorant to it is the same as signing your own death clause. until said alleyway is fixed, then one should avoid it. encouraging people to walk down it isn't going to solve the problem and will most likely make the problem bigger. do you get the metaphor here?

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;38960289]Yes it does actually. As long as you don't do anything to violate the rights of others, yours are to be respected.[/QUOTE] Haha, now in reality...

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38960309]that's 2 from the last page[/QUOTE] You have an extremely strange definition of "shame." Everyone makes mistakes, some with extremely drastic consequences. It's alright. It happens to everyone. What we were arguing was that we, you know, help people [b]avoid[/b] those mistakes before they happen.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;38960312]I certainly don't think it will un-rape her. I don't think about it in terms of what it does to her to say these things on an internet forum, but what it means for society. I am telling society that it is a bad idea to get drunk- this is good. At the same time I am being cruel to her, by using her as an example, so perhaps I should aviod that.[/QUOTE] by using her as an example you are still shaming her and making it harder for future rape victims to come forward. [editline]24th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Paramud;38960323]You have an extremely strange definition of "shame." Everyone makes mistakes, some with extremely drastic consequences. It's alright. It happens to everyone. What we were arguing was that we, you know, help people [b]avoid[/b] those mistakes before they happen.[/QUOTE] yea she made the horrible mistake of getting raped. it's alright it happens to everybody!!!

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38960332]yea she made the horrible mistake of getting blackout drunk at a party full of rowdy strangers[/QUOTE] ???

a mistake is forgetting the order of operations on your 6th grade math quiz, or accidentally forgetting to clean up your mess. going to a party with the expectation of not being violated is not a fucking mistake.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38960377]going to a party with the expectation of not being violated is not a fucking mistake.[/QUOTE] Getting so drunk you pass out at a party full of strangers is a mistake. You wanna see some proof that it's a mistake? The story in the OP. Like it or not, that's the fact of it, and this isn't a drastic one-off occurrence. People get taken advantage of when they pass out at parties, especially women. It shouldn't be a mistake to be walking the streets late at night, but bad things can happen, and that's why it's something you avoid.

people should not be forced to plan their lives around potentially being raped or murdered. people are certainly allowed to do it if they feel extra security from it, but it by no means should be the expected societal norm to say that a rape victim is to blame for her own rape because she didn't take some ritualistic steps to "avoid her rape".

[QUOTE=catbarf;38960320]Uh, what? No, in the real world, you do not always retain your right to be safe and secure. Your 'right' is not always respected. Bad things happen to good people. This shouldn't have to be pointed out.[/QUOTE]That doesn't mean it is not a right you are fucking entitled to and it doesn't mean you are at all responsible if someone violates it. This stupid pseudo-intellectual bullshit parading under the guise of realism changes nothing. Stop trying to go "WLEL IN THE RAEL WORLD! because it does not help you in the slightest and proves no points. The idea that something [B]might[/B] happen does not change anything at all, it does not change what your rights are and what your protections therein are. You're just trying to justify horrible views with this crap. Its no better than people who go "I have black friends but blacks are just naturally prone to crime."

the easiest way to blame a victim is with an analogy that involves the internet

male privilege is being able to get black-out drunk at a party without the expectation of being raped

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38960422]people should not be forced to plan their lives around potentially being raped or murdered.[/QUOTE] Which no one was arguing. [editline]oh hamburgers[/editline] [QUOTE=Dori;38960436]male privilege is being able to get black-out drunk at a party without the expectation of being raped[/QUOTE] Dori please tell me how you are I am genuinely interested in you

[QUOTE=Paramud;38960438]Which no one was arguing.[/QUOTE] except you [editline]24th December 2012[/editline] you even said she is to blame for her rape because she didn't take the proper steps to avoid it.

[QUOTE=Paramud;38960438]Which no one was arguing.[/QUOTE] lol you were literally fucking arguing this for 2 pages you're an idiot