The 100 richest people earned enough in 2012 to end global poverty four times over. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=teh pirate;39297733]That isn't democratic, the jealous poor and even middle class who sincerely believe people with money are personally responsible for their lack of wealth will target and "decide" to give them very little money. [editline]21st January 2013[/editline] [B]I'd love to see any of you try to run a large corporation for a week. Being CEO isn't [I]that[/I] easy. There's a reason they are doing it and not you.[/B][/QUOTE] It's not about being paid more for a more responsible job, it's about being paid [I]too much[/I] for a more responsible job. Nobody's saying we should starve CEOs, just because they earn more, but they should start earning less and the money distributed down the work-chain. (example) [editline]21st January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=MoarFunz;39301253]That's a steady income, don't these guys even consider donating? they'll just cash it in over the year. what the fuck[/QUOTE] I don't think most billionaires really realize how hard it is to live with little money. People who are born in a rich family can't learn the hardships of being poor and people who worked their way to the top from the bottom prefer to forget about it.

[QUOTE=Aidan_088;39295521] Did you even read the article? it suggested redistribution of money not the creation of new money.[/QUOTE] did you read bank of Zimbabwe?

does the article even mention how much these rich people donate? for the majority it's over ~40% so they aren't exactly satan spawn like the article says

[QUOTE=Eltro102;39301529]does the article even mention how much these rich people donate? for the majority it's over ~40% so they aren't exactly satan spawn like the article says[/QUOTE] Lets see some figures please.

[QUOTE=Sprockethead;39301575]Lets see some figures please.[/QUOTE] To be honest, Bill gates and his wife donate huge sums of money for various causes. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_%26_Melinda_Gates_Foundation[/url] [quote] It had an endowment of US$36.2 billion as of September 30, 2012[/quote] [quote]The primary aims of the foundation are, globally, to enhance healthcare and reduce extreme poverty, and in America, to expand educational opportunities and access to information technology.[/quote] I can tell you for a fact as my dad worked in the GAVI alliance, that millions of lives have been saved by this funding by buying vaccines and distributing them for FREE in third world countries. Building wells, Hospitals, schools and so forth. Some rich people should not be demonized, But the vast majority are not so morally straight.

[QUOTE=Angus725;39295472][img]http://images.ookaboo.com/photo/m/Dyadya_lenin_m.jpg[/img] Lenin, wiping the world of filth. (dictators and capitalists in this case)[/QUOTE] Lenin was a great man but stalin stole the reins and corrupted the USSR.

[QUOTE=ducklingqt;39295694]The rich people who are bored because of all the money they have already give a bit to charity, for tax deductions or to look good or whatever, they still help a lot, it's hard to call these people bad people because we don't really know how many of them actually DID give to charity.[/QUOTE] Well obviously they aren't doing enough. [editline]21st January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Eltro102;39301529]does the article even mention how much these rich people donate? for the majority it's over ~40% so they aren't exactly satan spawn like the article says[/QUOTE] again, they obviously keep enough to themselves to, you know, not actually stop global poverty so...

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;39299756]FYI this is fallacious, you're stating that because someone's not in a position (that you know of, anyway) they're not qualified to comment on it, and then commenting on it yourself. You're either a CEO or you just revoked your own right to discuss the subject.[/QUOTE] Telling someone they can't continue to comment on a subject because they committed a fallacy is a fallacy itself :v:

[QUOTE=laserguided;39300515]Wealth inequality is a given when it comes to capitalism. I thought people knew this.[/QUOTE] its almost as if there's something wrong with unregulated capitalism...

[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39301891]Lenin was a great man but stalin stole the reins and corrupted the USSR.[/QUOTE] Please explain why Lenin was a great man. He was a despot who worked day and night to bring about communism until he died.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39302181]Please explain why Lenin was a great man. He was a despot who worked day and night to bring about communism until he died.[/QUOTE] Are you trying to say communism is a bad thing?

This is why I think death is great, even the rich and corrupt can't avoid it. (in this time and age)

[QUOTE=l l;39302354]This is why I think death is great, even the rich and corrupt can't avoid it. (in this time and age)[/QUOTE] Imagine how shit the world is going to be once scientists find a way to make humans immortal.

[QUOTE=laserguided;39302429]Imagine how shit the world is going to be once scientists find a way to make humans immortal.[/QUOTE] Not just plain old no aging, transplants, technological bodies.

[QUOTE=laserguided;39302262]Are you trying to say communism is a bad thing?[/QUOTE] Communism is good in theory, but never works in practice. [editline]21st January 2013[/editline] of course, lenin wouldn't know that back then.

[QUOTE=Stopper;39301383]It's not about being paid more for a more responsible job, it's about being paid [I]too much[/I] for a more responsible job. Nobody's saying we should starve CEOs, just because they earn more, but they should start earning less and the money distributed down the work-chain. (example)[/QUOTE] No shareholder-responsible company gives excess money to a CEO just because he wants to be rich. They earn their pay with the value they add to the company. If a CEO isn't worth his price, he gets fired. Corporations are too cutthroat to pay anyone more than they're worth.

[QUOTE=laserguided;39302262]Are you trying to say communism is a bad thing?[/QUOTE] Communism [I]is[/I] a pretty bad thing.

[QUOTE=laserguided;39302262]Are you trying to say communism is a bad thing?[/QUOTE] BloodRayne certainly seems to think it is: [QUOTE=BloodRayne;39301636]Fascism is no more evil than capitalism or communism. Capitalism just happens to put a "worth" or "value" on your head and Communism puts the people first. Capitalism puts the richest first.[/QUOTE] Either that or he's got a gigantic hardon for fascism, in which case I wouldn't really trust his opinion on who is or isn't a good person.

[QUOTE=laserguided;39302262]Are you trying to say communism is a bad thing?[/QUOTE] If we're to go from what history has shown us then yes - communism is one of the worst forms of government that exist. It may be great on paper but it never works in reality. [editline]21st January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=BloodRayne;39301891]Lenin was a great man but stalin stole the reins and corrupted the USSR.[/QUOTE] No, he wasn't. He is just as despicable as the rest of them.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;39302798]If the communist notion that was written on paper had not been followed whatsoever in reality then that is not the fault of communism and accusing it of being a bad system because people never actually followed the ideology through to the end is fallacious and retarded.[/QUOTE] Every system is great on paper. The only way we can judge it is if we look at the practical results we get.

[QUOTE=BloodRayne;39301891]Lenin was a great man but stalin stole the reins and corrupted the USSR.[/QUOTE] no he wasn't [editline]21st January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=l l;39302354]This is why I think death is great, even the rich and corrupt can't avoid it. (in this time and age)[/QUOTE] then kill yourself

[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;39299756]FYI this is fallacious, you're stating that because someone's not in a position (that you know of, anyway) they're not qualified to comment on it, and then commenting on it yourself. You're either a CEO or you just revoked your own right to discuss the subject.[/QUOTE] FYI my point is that FPers seem to think being CEO involves sitting behind a desk on the 300th story of one of your 7 skyscrapers and jerking off all day. It's actually pretty stressful work; my dad's in this position (though it's not nearly as large a company as some others). A couple weeks ago someone climbed on top of a trash can and pulled the main cable out of the roof of his building and ripped the guts out of the power box for the copper, and the downtime might kill the company.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;39302831]You mean like Fascism is great on paper. Or Stalinism. Or Maoism. Many systems outright advocate war and slaughter. That does not make them 'great on paper'.[/QUOTE] Why are you trying to twist my words? It doesn't change my point. Communism is great on paper but will never work out like intended. We can't judge the system on what it should be, but only on what it [I]is[/I]. Why do people complain about inequities in supposedly democratic countries? Are they beyond criticism simply because they employ a "good" system?

[QUOTE=laserguided;39302262]Are you trying to say communism is a bad thing?[/QUOTE] Lenin wasn't a great man, he betrayed the Kronstadt sailors who put him in a position of power, threw their democratic ideas out the window and had them thrown in jail/killed.

oh god communism debates on facepunch

[QUOTE=tdnoob;39302986]Lenin wasn't a great man, he betrayed the Kronstadt sailors who put him in a position of power, threw their democratic ideas out the window and had them thrown in jail/killed.[/QUOTE] He also ordered the execution of the whole royal family (the Romanovs), censored the press, shut down rivaling parties, enforced conscription, stuff like that. Pretty much like... Every other tyrant.

[QUOTE=Eltro102;39295520]but you can't end poverty ever anyway, it's like trying to make everyone better than average[/QUOTE] No I'm pretty sure you can, it's simple, you wipe debts and build infrastructure, suddenly people aren't dying because of hunger. [editline]21st January 2013[/editline] Communism, great idea on paper, fucking horrible in practice.

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;39303039]No I'm pretty sure you can, it's simple, you wipe debts and build infrastructure, suddenly people aren't dying because of hunger. [editline]21st January 2013[/editline] Communism, great idea on paper, fucking horrible in practice.[/QUOTE] I think Eltro102 meant that there will always be poor people, but that's not exactly true either - there will always be [I]poorer[/I] people, but as long as the average is heightened, it's all for the better.

[QUOTE=Aidan_088;39295413][url]http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2013/01/201312061337695543.html[/url] [url]http://www.oxfam.org/sites/www.oxfam.org/files/cost-of-inequality-oxfam-mb180113.pdf[/url][/QUOTE] Now to the question: Why didnt they help? ALSO LUV YOUR AVATAR stargate ftw

so get those 100 people and divide that amount to end world poverty by 100 and take that from the rich bastards i solve world probs