Sexism In The Tech Industry Takes Center Stage - Polidicks

Side note, don't mean to derail. I didn't know Cyberpunk 2077's trailer caused that much of an angry response about misogyny.

[QUOTE=Mbbird;42159904]I don't get it. Titstare is obviously supposed to be a joke. There doesn't seem to be anything to report on here...[/QUOTE] Just because something's a joke doesn't mean it isn't harmful, it makes (some men and) women uncomfortable and less likely to join the industry.

[QUOTE=Map in a box;42159926]Girl's don't exist on the internet. No sexism there. [editline]11th September 2013[/editline] I've heard myths where girls go to school to get more knowledge, while boys go to jupiter to get more stupider. Psh.[/QUOTE] I thought it was girls go to mars to get more bras. Also, why don't they just make a dickstare joke app in response?

[quote]Australian programmers presented Titstare. "Titstare is an app where you take photos of yourself staring at tits," Jethro Batts explained. He went on to say, "I think this is the breast hack ever."[/quote] Why does this exist? Who said, man I wish I could take a picture of myself while gawking at someone's chest?

[QUOTE=Shadaez;42160000]Just because something's a joke doesn't mean it isn't harmful, it makes (some men and) women uncomfortable and less likely to join the industry.[/QUOTE] This, of all things, does that? There are a [B]lot[/B] of things I can think of that would do that, but this app is just silly.

[QUOTE=assassin_Raptor;42158646]I am sure there is some sexism in the industry but when I was in highschool I took a web design class and a basic java class and there was some damn good coders in there who were female. When I got to college, my java and visual basic classes had a lot of females in them. But they were still dominated by men. Technology just seems to be a thing that interests guys more than girls. There is nothing stopping a girl from taking a class involving computers, or technology. But maybe if a female and male both applied at the same tech firm, I dont know if they would pick the male over the female even if they had the same qualifications.[/QUOTE] It's not always that it doesn't interest them, the entire industry has a toxic attitude towards women. Here's a good little thing that's been floating around recently that's a good example of it: [url]https://www.usenix.org/blog/my-daughters-high-school-programming-teacher[/url] [editline]11th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Mbbird;42160070]This, of all things, does that? There are a [B]lot[/B] of things I can think of that would do that, but this app is just silly.[/QUOTE] It's a lot of little things, you really don't think that an app relating to staring at boobs would make a woman uncomfortable? A prerequisite of using it is being a creep.

My one question is when does it become appropriate and unappropriate to make these jokes? Where do we draw the line? Sexism is bad, but we can't just slap people for making a small joke, on stage that's reprehensible, between co workers?

[QUOTE=katbug;42158568]That's clearly because they're being put down by the patriarchy[/QUOTE] there goes katbug with a slick, cool, and confident post that symbolizes everything the mens rights activist movement stands for. [QUOTE=katbug;42158602]Also, I don't understand why different genders happening to want different majors is sexism, either. People are free to do and study what they see fit, choosing something that happens to make an inequality isn't sexist.[/QUOTE] a lot of girls are pressured not to do tech or 'masculine' jobs. [QUOTE=Ralakis;42158670]If women want to be part of the industry, they should and will be held to the same standards that men are. You're not going to get hired because you have different organs between your legs.[/QUOTE] nice job reading [QUOTE=sgman91;42159144]There's no reason to assume that, in an ideal world without any sexism, the same number of women would want to be in the tech field as men. Any argument that rests on that assumption, such as: "There are less women then men in the tech industry, therefore it is sexist" doesn't hold any water. This isn't denying that sexism doesn't exist, but that line of reasoning is bunk.[/QUOTE] go play in an xbox live game and tell me otherwise go in an irc channel devoted to tech or something and tell me otherwise visit pictures of you over in fast threads and tell me otherwise [QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;42159970]They're mostly discouraged by the behavior that occurs in that field. That behavior removes all the perks of growing as a professional; it drops their motivation, limits their contacts, and reduces their work ethic.[/QUOTE] someone finally gets it. thank you coolkingkaso for the only person i quoted to finally get the big picture. why don't you have gold yet? i can fix that for you.

[QUOTE=Thlis;42160027]Why does this exist? Who said, man I wish I could take a picture of myself while gawking at someone's chest?[/QUOTE] Why do any of these fads exist? Who's the guy who said "I'm gonna take a picture of myself laying on the ground, this is gonna be big!", and why did other people start doing it?

[QUOTE=Shadaez;42160110] It's a lot of little things, you really don't think that an app relating to staring at boobs would make a woman uncomfortable? A prerequisite of using it is being a creep.[/QUOTE] Actually I suppose so. I thought the point was it doesn't exist but apparently not.

[QUOTE=Mbbird;42160070]This, of all things, does that? There are a [B]lot[/B] of things I can think of that would do that, but this app is just silly.[/QUOTE] To be fair, it's more of a symptom than a cause, though it's not helping. If the gender ratio was closer to 50:50 and the attitudes a bit healthier you'd probably look like a prat presenting something like Titstare.

As a student in IT, I can see first hand the disparity of sexes in my profession classes like Programming and such. There's around 3 girls for around 40 guys. Granted, this is first semester, without those who'll bail out because they actually have to work to achieve anything. However - I don't know where the claim of Sexism starts. From my school standpoint, at least, it's been pretty respectful. I also think you can't really blame anyone if female students aren't interested in IT development. There's always been jobs predominated by men and women - may it be due to stereotypes or sexual profiling (Like female nurses / men construction labor). Changing this will take much more than a few conferences about the possibilities of each department for the opposite sex. I already think some of the stereotypes of the industry are being now dismissed (At least in Canada) - I see a lot more male nurses than before, and I see a lot of women that are aiming toward engineering jobs.

why don't the women in the industry just make Dicklook, the app where you take pictures of yourself trying to check out how big a dude's package is see how they like it when their junk is stared at! that'll show em

[QUOTE=Feuver;42160338]As a student in IT, I can see first hand the disparity of sexes in my profession classes like Programming and such. There's around 3 girls for around 40 guys. Granted, this is first semester, without those who'll bail out because they actually have to work to achieve anything. However - I don't know where the claim of Sexism starts. From my school standpoint, at least, it's been pretty respectful. I also think you can't really blame anyone if female students aren't interested in IT development. There's always been jobs predominated by men and women - may it be due to stereotypes or sexual profiling (Like female nurses / men construction labor). Changing this will take much more than a few conferences about the possibilities of each department for the opposite sex. I already think some of the stereotypes of the industry are being now dismissed (At least in Canada) - I see a lot more male nurses than before, and I see a lot of women that are aiming toward engineering jobs.[/QUOTE] I have an average of 1-3/40 girls in my electrical engineering classes as well. The interesting thing is that I've literally never met anyone who said something akin to, "Yeah, I was really interested in a STEM major, but the anti-woman attitude kept me out." In my classes at least, the men would go out of their way to have more women in engineering.

[QUOTE=supersnail11;42158834]Because there must be some reason that less women want to pursue tech careers than men, and that's obviously not a good thing.[/QUOTE] Or, maybe, the way our society works women just happen to want to major in sciences less and want to major in other important fields, like biology and life science. I could say the fact that more women are getting a college education is sexist, but it isn't, it's just a fact.

[QUOTE=PSI Guy;42160366]why don't the women in the industry just make Dicklook, the app where you take pictures of yourself trying to check out how big a dude's package is see how they like it when their junk is stared at! that'll show em[/QUOTE] Because women view men [I]MUCH[/I] differently than how men view women. It get's [I]MUCH[/I] more complicated in detail, but that's the summary of it.

the reason there are less women than men in the industry is because of the social conditioning girls and boys go through from birth, nothing else to it. If you think it's all about innate biological differences then you're just completely in denial.

[QUOTE=Flyingman356;42163953]the reason there are less women than men in the industry is because of the social conditioning girls and boys go through from birth, nothing else to it. If you think it's all about innate biological differences then you're just completely in denial.[/QUOTE] There's a lot more to it like women being pushed out by toxic environments, but you're correct about the bio truthz.

I'm taking a 3D animation course at the Centre for Arts and Technology in Halifax, Nova Scotia, and women out number the men in this class.

[QUOTE=katbug;42161144]Or, maybe, the way our society works women just happen to want to major in sciences less and want to major in other important fields, like biology and life science.[/QUOTE] i think the fact that you seriously haven't questioned why this might be completely speaks for itself [editline]12th September[/editline] oh boy oh boy now you get to spend thirty minutes explaining to me why women are ~biologically compelled~ to go for sciences based on living things (because all the female cavemen had PhD's in biology and life studies apparently)

That's why you look for good employers. There are plenty of shitty employers, and any that are sexist are obviously those. There aren't as many women studying tech related subjects in general, nor applying for these positions, I doubt that is due to sexism, but most likely interests.

[QUOTE]A guy got up and presented his hack, which was some game where you shake the phone and compete with your friends to shake the phone. And he simulated masturbation. Complete with noises and sounds in front of the audience.[/QUOTE] How is that sexist or misogynistic? Edit: Yeah it's immature and stupid but it makes no reference to genders in anyway. [QUOTE]Which is, tech has been a guy, dude-bro area for a while now. Now as it becomes more mainstream, more women join the workforce and are exposed to these locker-room-type attitudes.[/QUOTE] So she is basically saying men are sexist "locker room" pigs, same shitty logic as saying the women complaining are just super sensitive. How the fuck does she know what a locker room atmosphere is like anyway? unless she is *gasp* making assumptions and treating gender specific negative stereotypes as the truth. I love how one of the stupid sexist tweets was the stereotypical women are bitchy crap and this lady pulls the same bullshit and everyone ignores it.

[QUOTE=Cone;42164093]i think the fact that you seriously haven't questioned why this might be completely speaks for itself [editline]12th September[/editline] oh boy oh boy now you get to spend thirty minutes explaining to me why women are ~biologically compelled~ to go for sciences based on living things (because all the female cavemen had PhD's in biology and life studies apparently)[/QUOTE] Except there was no mention of biological compulsion: [quote]maybe, the way our society works women just happen to want to major in[/quote] He wasn't even making a point, merely pointing out that society influences women away from tech fields; which is true.

Thank you for the dumbs, I'm just trying to figure out where we draw the line. I'm serious, you want to be friends with your coworkers, telling jokes and doing stupid shit is part of that. Its how you make friends in general. I'm just trying to figure out where we draw the line.

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;42164575]Except there was no mention of biological compulsion: He wasn't even making a point, merely pointing out that society influences women away from tech fields; which is true.[/QUOTE] yeah, but he explicitly said that it wasn't sexist that this happened, it was "just a fact." also he said that in reply to somebody who said that a lack of women in tech sciences was a bad thing, implying that he doesn't agree

[QUOTE=Cone;42164093] oh boy oh boy now you get to spend thirty minutes explaining to me why women are ~biologically compelled~ to go for sciences based on living things (because all the female cavemen had PhD's in biology and life studies apparently)[/QUOTE] no they didn't have PhD's but i seriously doubt that there aren't any differences between males and females that might have an influence on that i'm not saying that sexism isn't a thing and people don't set expectations for girls to be doctors or nurses or whatever, just that it's a no-brainer that biology takes a small part in it, so please don't crucify me.

okay so about two people in this thread get it so ill spell it out: the attitude prevalent in our society that tends to steer women away from tech fields IS CALLED SEXISM and is based in a belief that women are only suited to certain tasks [editline]12th September 2013[/editline] and that idea is bullshit. [editline]12th September 2013[/editline] but whatever BROGRAMMERS 4 LYF *bro-hoofs u*

[QUOTE=Cone;42164093]i think the fact that you seriously haven't questioned why this might be completely speaks for itself [editline]12th September[/editline] oh boy oh boy now you get to spend thirty minutes explaining to me why women are ~biologically compelled~ to go for sciences based on living things (because all the female cavemen had PhD's in biology and life studies apparently)[/QUOTE] Or maybe they just want to do those things more because they just happen to want to? People wanting to do things that only affect them isn't sexism. They just happen to want to do certain things more due to how our society has worked out- differences aren't advantages.

[QUOTE=katbug;42167074]Or maybe they just want to do those things more because they just happen to want to? People wanting to do things that only affect them isn't sexism. They just happen to want to do certain things more due to how our society has worked out- differences aren't advantages.[/QUOTE] The idea that people were brought up a certain way in the last 20 years hasn't hit you yet, has it? Because in the last 20 years, while the attitude has been shifting, most girls were not brought up to be tech savvy, and technically proficient. They have been told by society they should do other things. Many disagree and do whatever they want. No, there being an inequality in the field isn't sexist. The attitude that leads to that inequality, one yourself perpetuates, is.

[QUOTE=katbug;42167074]Or maybe they just want to do those things more because they just happen to want to? People wanting to do things that only affect them isn't sexism. They just happen to want to do certain things more due to how our society has worked out- differences aren't advantages.[/QUOTE] so let me get this straight, you're telling me that society has arbitrarily imposed strict and rigid roles onto people of different genders over the last few decades due to the way it has grown to function over a long period of time pfft yeah right!!!!