[QUOTE=MasterFen006;42158550]You sure it's not just because more men do tech things to begin with? For example there are literally no women taking the IT course I'm doing at college. [B]NONE AT ALL[/B][/QUOTE]
wow i wonder why
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definitely not because of people like you
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;42169798]wow i wonder why
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definitely not because of people like you[/QUOTE]
Men are robots and we can directly "interface" with technology
[QUOTE=Protocol7;42169845]Men are robots and we can directly "interface" with technology[/QUOTE]
beep beep beep
boop?
[QUOTE=Protocol7;42169845]Men are robots and we can directly "interface" with technology[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;IKBJxZf-Dgs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKBJxZf-Dgs[/video]
The patriarchy is filling our CPU's with Misogyny.
i never see anyone trying to help men in child psychiatry fields or nursing...
[QUOTE=omggrass;42172803]i never see anyone trying to help men in child psychiatry fields or nursing...[/QUOTE]
That doesn't mean they don't exist.
[url]http://aamn.org/[/url]
[QUOTE=Valnar;42173042]That doesn't mean they don't exist.
[url]http://aamn.org/[/url][/QUOTE]
i was at the college of san mateo today and the child psych class was leaving my room, not a single male in that class, not even the teacher.
[QUOTE=omggrass;42173125]i was at the college of san mateo today and the child psych class was leaving my room, not a single male in that class, not even the teacher.[/QUOTE]
why do you think that is?
[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;42173162]why do you think that is?[/QUOTE]
Well obviously its because men just naturally don't want to be in those fields right?
There just couldn't possibly be any other explanation that could relate it to the topic in the OP.
Nothing about gender roles or anything.
[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;42173162]why do you think that is?[/QUOTE]
I know that personally, I don't want to be in a nursing field
I want to be an engineer
I don't feel oppressed, and neither do the vast, vast, vast majority of men. And that's because we're not being oppressed, our interest in general is just not in those fields. Same goes for the women who choose different field.
[QUOTE=katbug;42173277]I know that personally, I don't want to be in a nursing field
I want to be an engineer
I don't feel oppressed, and neither do the vast, vast, vast majority of women.[/QUOTE]
can you try not to speak for a group you don't in any way represent?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;42173288]can you try not to speak for a group you don't in any way represent?[/QUOTE]
word jumble.
But even if I meant that, that's pretty damn hypocritical coming from you.
[QUOTE=katbug;42173473]word jumble.
But even if I meant that, that's pretty damn hypocritical coming from you.[/QUOTE]
who am I claiming to represent again
So wait, do women never make sexual jokes? Because that is the only thing I can see as causing a problem. Just because there are currently more men than women in a field is not necessarily the worst thing ever. It may be a bit odd, but I'm pretty sure that anyone who values gender equality can see that there are much more pressing matters to both sexes than if women are not interested in certain industries.
Edit: Also the articles source of outrage is an idiot. She thought it would be better to "name and shame" two men behind her after they made a crude joke to each other instead of, you know, dealing with other humans socializing.
[QUOTE=Xain777;42173941]So wait, do women never make sexual jokes? Because that is the only thing I can see as causing a problem. Just because there are currently more men than women in a field is not necessarily the worst thing ever. [b]It may be a bit odd, but I'm pretty sure that anyone who values gender equality can see that there are much more pressing matters to both sexes than if women are not interested in certain industries.[/b][/QUOTE]
So people aren't allowed to fairly pursue their preferred career because there are more pressing issues out there? Kind of easy to say when you aren't being barred from what you want based on something as insignificant as gender.
I think your post is the epitome of "not getting it."
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;42173956]So people aren't allowed to fairly pursue their preferred career because there are more pressing issues out there? Kind of easy to say when you aren't being barred from what you want based on something as insignificant as gender.
I think your post is the epitome of "not getting it."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Xain777;42173941]I'm pretty sure that anyone who values gender equality can see that there are much more pressing matters to both sexes than if women [B][U]are not interested[/U][/B] in certain industries.[/quote]
Irony.
[QUOTE=katbug;42173277]I know that personally, I don't want to be in a nursing field
I want to be an engineer
I don't feel oppressed, and neither do the vast, vast, vast majority of men. And that's because we're not being oppressed, our interest in general is just not in those fields. [B]Same goes for the women who choose different field.[/B][/QUOTE]
it's pretty dumb to compare jobs in the medical field to the tech/game/computer industry, where "women aren't skilled enough!!" stereotypes are rampant as fuck. not to mention how absolutely toxic a male-dominant industry is.
also this [I]stupid, stupid, STUPID[/I] "well i wouldn't do X, so why are they complaining about not being able to do Y?" argument i see [I]everywhere[/I] is getting kind of old.
despite how much people laugh about "tumblr feminists" and shit, privilege is a real thing.
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[QUOTE=Xain777;42173967]Irony.[/QUOTE]
how is this irony lol
why do you think women are less interested in the tech industry than males? it's not because of stupid ~bio truthz~ about men being better at computers than women, it's because of social pressure and awful stereotypes that have been essentially chiseled into out society.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;42173981]how is this irony lol
why do you think women are less interested in the tech industry than males? it's not because of stupid ~bio truthz~ because men are not naturally better at computers than woman, it's because of social pressure and awful stereotypes that have been essentially chiseled into out society.[/QUOTE]
Alright I'll spell it out to you.
I said there are better things to do with your time than worry if not enough women are interested enough in technology to want to make a career out of it.
You then misinterpreted what I said and replied about women being barred from their chosen career because they were women, told me I was callus for thinking there are more important things than a demographic being up to a certain level in an industry. Then, this is the ironic part, you said that my post was "the epitome of "not getting it.""
The irony is: you misinterpreted my post, and the reason why there isn't a balanced amount of women working in that industry, then accused me of "not getting it"
Was that clear enough?
[QUOTE=Xain777;42174009]I said there are better things to do with your time than worry if not enough women are interested enough in technology to want to make a career out of it.[/QUOTE]
There are better things to do with our time than worry about racism.
There are better things to do with our time than worry about human rights.
There are better things to do with our time than worry about famine.
There are better things to do with our time than worry about disease.
There are better things to do with our time than worry about the fastest growing fields and the future of everyone's lives, and making sure that it gets equal representation by each gender.
You could be the spokesperson for entitlement.
I seriously am having a hard time comprehending what your post says at all, it's not clear.
[quote]The irony is that you misinterpreted my post, the reason why there isn't an equivalent amount of female humans working in that sector, and also accused me of "not getting it."[/quote]
what the FUCK does this even say, it's such an incomplete sentance
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And don't criticize other peoples activism, they'll do whatever they feel like helps even if it's not literally the most efficient thing it's better than whining about what they're doing on the internet.
[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;42173162]why do you think that is?[/QUOTE]
Its just a cultural thing. Like how less women are involved in technology.
[QUOTE=Pawnstick;42174030]There are better things to do with our time than worry about racism.
There are better things to do with our time than worry about human rights.
There are better things to do with our time than worry about famine.
There are better things to do with our time than worry about disease.
There are better things to do with our time than worry about the fastest growing fields and the future of everyone's lives, and making sure that it gets equal representation by each gender.
You could be the spokesperson for entitlement.[/QUOTE]
I honestly don't see "society instills children with different interests and values based on gender" being of equivalent importance to people dieing of hunger, disease, human rights abuses, or racist assholes. I'm sorry if you are upset about this, but I don't think it's entitled to prioritize the people you help based on need and urgency. Also, for the record, do you honestly believe that society conditioning children is an equal problem to famine, disease, human rights violations, and racism?
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[QUOTE=Shadaez;42174032]I seriously am having a hard time comprehending what your post says at all, it's not clear.
what the FUCK does this even say, it's such an incomplete sentance[/QUOTE]
It's not incomplete just poorly worded. I believe it should read: "The irony is: you misinterpreted my post, and the reason why there isn't a balanced amount of women working in that industry, then accused me of "not getting it""
I'll edit the first post, sorry for the confusion
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I am not saying that gender equality is not an important thing to campaign for, or trying to prevent someone from championing whatever cause they want. I only wanted to point out that in the area of equality between genders in this country you could be working on sexual harassment, wage inequality, or hiring practices.
[QUOTE=Swilly;42160130]My one question is when does it become appropriate and unappropriate to make these jokes?
[/QUOTE]
You mean sandwich and kitchen jokes?
They are dumb and unfunny, so don't make them in the first place
[QUOTE=Xain777;42174094]I honestly don't see "society instills children with different interests and values based on gender" being of equivalent importance to people dieing of hunger, disease, human rights abuses, or racist assholes. I'm sorry if you are upset about this, but I don't think it's entitled to prioritize the people you help based on need and urgency. Also, for the record, do you honestly believe that society conditioning children is an equal problem to famine, disease, human rights violations, and racism?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_relative_privation[/url]
Whether or not there is a worse problem is entirely irrelevant. What's relevant is that this is a problem that needs fixing.
[QUOTE=Hawt Koffee;42164083]I'm taking a 3D animation course at the Centre for Arts and Technology in Halifax, Nova Scotia, and women out number the men in this class.[/QUOTE]
Course or Program? Unfortunately I find the full time programs to be sort of sausage fests. I took a few courses a little while back and it was a 1:1 split of men and women, which was good.
But the numbers enrolling in full time programs is significantly smaller. It's a 5:1 ratio in the full time program. It also seems to depend on whether you're attending an art school or a technical/business school for tech-oriented schooling.
[QUOTE=MegaJohnny;42174249][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_relative_privation[/url]
Whether or not there is a worse problem is entirely irrelevant. What's relevant is that this is a problem that needs fixing.[/QUOTE]
That particular post was a rebuttal to someone else who mentioned those problems, so I used those problems in my response.
That is also one of the most poorly sited fallacies I know of. If someone said. "We should help Libya," and the response was "But there are people dieing of hunger," that is when the fallacy is in use because the second statement has no bearing on the first but is used to disregard it. If the response was, "That would cost money we could put to a better use, such as fighting hunger." that is not a fallacy because it has bearing on the first statement by way of resource allocation. If we were unable to prioritize our actions in some manner, we would not be using our resources (time, money, effort) to their fullest application.
[QUOTE=MegaJohnny;42174249][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_relative_privation[/url]
Whether or not there is a worse problem is entirely irrelevant. What's relevant is that this is a problem that needs fixing.[/QUOTE]
And the solution to this conundrum is to focus on and try to solve every minor little problem you come across. Economy's fucked? Nevermind that there's a fuckload more female primary school teachers than male ones.
This is far from a major issue, made even smaller by the fact there's no benefit, reason or even practicality to forcing all STEM to be a 50-50 split. Equal opportunity to enter the field isn't the same as equal proportion in that field and with STEM still being a huge one for men, it'll take some big numbers or pushing men elsewhere to make things more equal.
A few decades ago was when all of this really happened, the shunning of women in traditionally male jobs broke down and women flooded into the fields of Business and Law, but not as many in Engineering type courses. When you ask why you can fall back on the baseless claim that STEM were notably more sexist and women figured this out despite not even enrolling in them, or maybe they just weren't interested in that field just like the numerous fields men aren't as interested in. And if they didn't even want to go into STEM, why force them to?
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42174047]Its just a cultural thing. Like how less women are involved in technology.[/QUOTE]
[I]yeah but why do you think that's a cultural thing[/I]
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