Minnesota man who shot 5 BLM protestors found guilty - Polidicks

[QUOTE=papaya;51777739]they were described as white supremacists and were taunting and harassing the protestors in the article in the thread they linked[/QUOTE] Because BLM has never lied or provoked or attacked someone at their rallies before? [QUOTE=TornadoAP;51777761]It's Facepunch, and unfortunately we have a lot of prejudice here against Black Live Matter because of how the movement started...[/QUOTE] Not just that, but their behavior since then. They've started riots, burned buildings, even show up to LGBT events and demand LGBT officers get banned. BLM is as much anti-police as they are pro-black. Their volatile rhetoric motivated the attack on Dallas Police last year, and all they did was deny responsibility in a statement, then go back to spewing their anti-police rhetoric. There were a ton of pro-BLT social media accounts praising the attacks as well, which caught the group a lot of flack.

[QUOTE=Tetsmega;51777837]Weren't you banned for being a shit poster? I'd hardly call 4 people making a kneejerk reaction to an incident that was developing at the time to be a majority of facepunch's opinion. Maybe instead of generalizing entire groups you can do your research especially when you did the same to gamergate and refuse to believe it's anything other than a mysogynist despite the evidence.[/QUOTE] You know, if you read the whole thread you'd actually see that the four posts quoted were just examples of the entire thread being biased against the victims of the crime. Also being banned for being a shitposter has nothing to do with whether or not a thread showed a racist bias. [editline]5th February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Boaraes;51777858]How is that a proper justification for destroying others' property? Just because someone died to a police officer, it's understandable if people set cars alight and smash windows? I'm sorry, but I don't understand. It's counterproductive and morally wrong.[/QUOTE] It's nice to know that the window of someone's property is more important than someone's life.

[QUOTE=Carlito;51777898]It's nice to know that the window of someone's property is more important than someone's life.[/QUOTE] That two things are not at all related...

Maybe he thinks you have to sacrifice a window to stop a black man from being shot

[QUOTE=Carlito;51777898]It's nice to know that the window of someone's property is more important than someone's life.[/QUOTE] This is a prime example of putting words into another's mouth. I never said nor implied that windows are more important than human lives. I said that destroying others' personal property as a means of protest is counterproductive and morally wrong. Frankly, I'm pretty baffled that I'm accused of something so fucking ridiculous. Low-effort virtue signaling, everyone.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51777893]Because BLM has never lied or provoked or attacked someone at their rallies before?[/QUOTE] this is the part where you provide a source for that claim and also where you stop thinking that BLM is one cohesive movement [editline]5th February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Boaraes;51777926]This probably the utmost prime example of putting words into another's mouth. I never said nor implied that windows are more important than human lives. I said that destroying others' personal property as a means of protest is counterproductive and morally wrong.[/QUOTE] so what would be a good means of protest, then? the people this guy killed weren't out rioting or smashing in some [i]poor wittle starbucksy's iddy biddy windows[/i], but they got killed anyway.

[QUOTE=Boaraes;51777926]This is a prime example of putting words into another's mouth. I never said nor implied that windows are more important than human lives. I said that destroying others' personal property as a means of protest is counterproductive and morally wrong.[/QUOTE] IDK I just assumed that was the case seeing as you seem to be more outraged over a window being smashed; my bad.

Window smashing is regrettable but I don't think the majority of BLM protesters are violent anyway soooo

[QUOTE=papaya;51777928]this is the part where you provide a source for that claim and also where you stop thinking that BLM is one cohesive movement [editline]5th February 2017[/editline] so what would be a good means of protest, then? the people this guy killed weren't out rioting or smashing in some [i]poor wittle starbucksy's iddy biddy windows[/i], but they got killed anyway.[/QUOTE] I'm a little dumbfounded that I have to say this once more, but a good and effective means of protest is [I]definitely not destroying others' property[/I]. Now, allow me to extrapolate: [I]Claiming this is not to imply that killing protesters is okay[/I].

Window smashing is terrible act that we can all agree on #windowslivesmatter I regret derailing this any further with dumb comments I left in a post

[QUOTE=Boaraes;51777956]I'm a little dumbfounded that I have to say this once more, but a good and effective means of protest is [I]definitely not destroying others' property[/I]. Now, allow me to extrapolate: [I]Claiming this is not to imply that killing protesters is okay[/I].[/QUOTE] ok, now what's a good method of protest?

[QUOTE=papaya;51778016]ok, now what's a good method of protest?[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/11/05/peaceful-protest-is-much-more-effective-than-violence-in-toppling-dictators/[/url] [url]https://www.fastcoexist.com/3040831/world-changing-ideas/peaceful-protest-slow-and-steady-is-winning-the-race-to-create-change[/url] [url]http://www.debate.org/opinions/do-nonviolent-peaceful-protests-work[/url]

[QUOTE=papaya;51777928]this is the part where you provide a source for that claim and also where you stop thinking that BLM is one cohesive movement[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;EmbyAAalIRk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmbyAAalIRk[/video] [video=youtube;R7yYARGFKbM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7yYARGFKbM[/video] [url]http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/special-reports/charlotte-shooting-protests/article105105896.html[/url] [video=youtube;eATCapy395M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eATCapy395M[/video] [video=youtube;qUY7csxfjxo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUY7csxfjxo[/video] [URL="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/23/police-announce-arrest-in-shooting-death-at-charlotte-riot.html"]Ignore the video title. He wasn't killed by a rubber bullet.[/URL] And calls for violence and destruction [video=youtube;S-8Cn6boqcA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-8Cn6boqcA[/video] [video=youtube;MLlDzWt7TPc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLlDzWt7TPc[/video] [url]http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/toronto/yusra-khogali-twitter-the-star-1.3529105[/url]

[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;51777598]This was pretty much going to be a given. They all went there to stir shit, and even if the shooting was in self defense they instigated the situation in the first place. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.[/QUOTE] People on this forum were partially excusing the Dallas police shooter a while back, saying things like "It's just backlash! What do you expect when cops are killing innocent black men? They deserved it!" To liberals it always seems like the black/brown person who acts out is blowback, while the white guy is always held accountable. In this case, it seems like the guy went out into the protest to deliberately provoke an attack on himself. He was probably physically attacked by the BLM protestors and then he shot at them. This would normally be self defense I think, but with the text message evidence it seems premeditated and I think it no longer falls under self defense. Justice was done. I hope we see the same standards of justice applied when a black/brown man acts out next time instead of excusing it as "blowback".

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51778103]People on this forum were partially excusing the Dallas police shooter a while back, saying things like "It's just backlash! What do you expect when cops are killing innocent black men? They deserved it!" To liberals it always seems like the black/brown person who acts out is blowback, while the white guy is always held accountable. In this case, it seems like the guy went out into the protest to deliberately provoke an attack on himself. He was probably physically attacked by the BLM protestors and then he shot at them. This would normally be self defense I think, but with the text message evidence it seems premeditated and I think it no longer falls under self defense. Justice was done. I hope we see the same standards of justice applied when a black/brown man acts out next time instead of excusing it as "blowback".[/QUOTE] That's exactly my point. At the time that evidence wasn't clear, and while they were obviously there to stir the pot nobody knew that the intention was to get someone to attack them so they could shoot them. At the time it seemed, while yes being racist and stupid, that they were mostly going for /pol and /k level meme shit. The videos made on previous days consisted of them doing that kind of shit, making stalker memes around a fire in a barrel and such.

[QUOTE=Boaraes;51778022][url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/11/05/peaceful-protest-is-much-more-effective-than-violence-in-toppling-dictators/[/url] [url]https://www.fastcoexist.com/3040831/world-changing-ideas/peaceful-protest-slow-and-steady-is-winning-the-race-to-create-change[/url] [url]http://www.debate.org/opinions/do-nonviolent-peaceful-protests-work[/url][/QUOTE] non-violent protests can include civil disobedience which would include damage of property. Unless BLM suddenly run around armed to the teeth bombing buildings I think it's safe to say they're a peaceful movement. [editline]5th February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=-nesto-;51778075]buncha bullshit[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=papaya;51777928]this is the part where you provide a source for that claim [b]and also where you stop thinking that BLM is one cohesive movement[/b][/quote] and oh that poor cnn reporter so violently attacked by someone bumping into him :(( he mustve been on life support for weeks :'((

[QUOTE=papaya;51778227]non-violent protests can include civil disobedience which would include damage of property. Unless BLM suddenly run around armed to the teeth bombing buildings I think it's safe to say they're a peaceful movement. [editline]5th February 2017[/editline] and oh that poor cnn reporter so violently attacked by someone bumping into him :(( he mustve been on life support for weeks :'(([/QUOTE] The definition of violence is "behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something." Destruction of property [I]is[/I] violence. Also, I don't think you noticed, but that reporter got shoved to the ground. Could have easily broken a bone, landing like that. I'm going to be straight with you. You either have a sense of willful ignorance, or you just have an overall lack of empathy.

[QUOTE=Boaraes;51778318]The definition of violence is "behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something." Destruction of property [I]is[/I] violence. Also, I don't think you noticed, but that reporter got shoved to the ground. Could have easily broken a bone, landing like that. I'm going to be straight with you. You either have a sense of willful ignorance, or you just have an overall lack of empathy.[/QUOTE] i recommend you actually look up what youre crackin on abt. violent movements are ones like the classic kkk who go around lynching folks, not someone throwing a brick thru a starbucks window. but you got me man i dont give a shit abt racists

[QUOTE=Boaraes;51778318] I'm going to be straight with you. You either have a sense of willful ignorance, or you just have an overall lack of empathy.[/QUOTE] He's a shitposter

You know, it's possible to both think that this guy is human trash while also thinking that physical violence isn't a good response to verbally offensive language. I'm honestly not sure what "luring" a group of black people looks like. The black people are people too who are able to make choices. They aren't unthinking animals following after a piece of meat. What was their intent in following after this guy if not to physically hurt him in some way?

[QUOTE=papaya;51778227] [QUOTE=-nesto-;51778075]buncha bullshit[/QUOTE] and oh that poor cnn reporter so violently attacked by someone bumping into him :(( he mustve been on life support for weeks :'(([/QUOTE] My dude, this is honestly the best way I have seen to react to someone's overwhelming response to your request of evidence to their claim. Just ignore the entirety of it with a unsatisfactory quote and call it 'buncha bullshit'. Good work

[QUOTE=papaya;51778329]i recommend you actually look up what youre crackin on abt. violent movements are ones like the classic kkk who go around lynching folks, not someone throwing a brick thru a starbucks window. but you got me man i dont give a shit abt racists[/QUOTE] The existence of KKK lynchings does not invalidate the classification of property destruction as violence.

Not like the animals that attend these BLM "protests" need to be provoked, going to the rallies to intentionally stir shit up is doing no favors and going there specifically to shoot them is [I]definitely[/I] not going to help one bit. They need bigger law enforcement presence not racist maniacs showing up.

Why the hell was assault the only thing they could convict him of? What about attempted murder? Hate crime? Any of that?

[QUOTE=archangel125;51778669]Why the hell was assault the only thing they could convict him of? What about attempted murder? Hate crime? Any of that?[/QUOTE] Minnesota's statue for assault is well defined. Look up 609.221

[QUOTE=archangel125;51778669]Why the hell was assault the only thing they could convict him of? What about attempted murder? Hate crime? Any of that?[/QUOTE] Attempted Murder only sticks if one can prove that there was malice with intent to kill. That's tough to bring to trial with a situation like this because of the circumstances to which the shooting occurred. Because he was firing into a group of people while fleeing its difficult to prove that there was any intent to kill (to which no, simply shooting a gun towards someone does not do that). That's why they went after assault with a deadly weapon, because it's much easier to prosecute under the given circumstances. A hate crime would be hard to stick for the same reasons.

[QUOTE=Swiket;51777805]"cold-cut case" lmfao[/QUOTE] To be honest, I barely remember this thread. Now that I do, I still don't recall knowing all the information in this instance compared to back then. I take back what I said; if that helps? Either way, I really remember it being a self-defense situation almost straight up.

[QUOTE=Boaraes;51778022][url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/11/05/peaceful-protest-is-much-more-effective-than-violence-in-toppling-dictators/[/url] [url]https://www.fastcoexist.com/3040831/world-changing-ideas/peaceful-protest-slow-and-steady-is-winning-the-race-to-create-change[/url] [url]http://www.debate.org/opinions/do-nonviolent-peaceful-protests-work[/url][/QUOTE] [IMG]https://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/science/192897-us-davis-police-lt-john-pike-dousing-seated-students-with-pepper-spray.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51778103]People on this forum were partially excusing the Dallas police shooter a while back, saying things like "It's just backlash! What do you expect when cops are killing innocent black men? They deserved it!" To liberals it always seems like the black/brown person who acts out is blowback, while the white guy is always held accountable. In this case, it seems like the guy went out into the protest to deliberately provoke an attack on himself. He was probably physically attacked by the BLM protestors and then he shot at them. This would normally be self defense I think, but with the text message evidence it seems premeditated and I think it no longer falls under self defense. Justice was done. I hope we see the same standards of justice applied when a black/brown man acts out next time instead of excusing it as "blowback".[/QUOTE] I'm gonna have to ask for a source for those posts. Also can you please stop fucking generalizing entire groups of people based upon a few. It's so retarded whenever it happens. I can easily just as say it as well. To conservatives it always seems like the white person who acts out is simply just defending himself, while the black/brown person is always the one instigating the crime. You understand what I mean now?

[QUOTE=Eric95;51778986][IMG]https://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/science/192897-us-davis-police-lt-john-pike-dousing-seated-students-with-pepper-spray.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Yeah, that cop is an asshole and was fired, and the students were awarded $1 mil USD. What's your point?