Two years after the Gaza War, Gaza remains imprisoned - Polidicks

What the fuck? is that actually him?

[QUOTE=RayDark;27128439]You moron. That doesn't make it right. It's like saying, 'lol inocent childs raped by pope? who care childs r raped all the tiem!1'[/QUOTE] Don't cry over it then.

[QUOTE=RayDark;27130397]What the fuck? is that actually him?[/QUOTE] Judging by his facebook photos, yes, he even has wrinkly hands, so i doubt he wore a mask. Actually he moved it, here are Brage Alenius Nyman's photos: [img]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs831.snc4/69169_105422082857237_100001683380511_45796_7146001_n.jpg[/img] [img]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs965.snc4/75826_113708835361895_100001683380511_95282_4068089_n.jpg[/img] His facebook [url]http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001683380511[/url] You just like Israel cause you hate Islam, Sweden Democrats Supporter (An anti islam, Anti immigration party), Also hes Swedish if anybody wants to know.

[QUOTE=Random94;27130996]Judging by his facebook photos, yes, he even has wrinkly hands, so i doubt he wore a mask.[/QUOTE] What the fuck is he doing on a forum populated with 85% 14 year olds.

Guess they shouldn't have lost the war then, eh?

[QUOTE=RayDark;27131073]What the fuck is he doing on a forum populated with 85% 14 year olds.[/QUOTE] Pedo?

[QUOTE=Random94;27131335]Pedo?[/QUOTE] My spidey senses are tingling.

I think it's time for you to retire from facepunch Brage, after all, you could forget to take the vitamin pills the doctor ordered.

[QUOTE=Random94;27130996]Judging by his facebook photos, yes, he even has wrinkly hands, so i doubt he wore a mask. Actually he moved it, here are Brage Alenius Nyman's photos: [img_thumb]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs831.snc4/69169_105422082857237_100001683380511_45796_7146001_n.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs965.snc4/75826_113708835361895_100001683380511_95282_4068089_n.jpg[/img_thumb] His facebook [url]http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001683380511[/url] You just like Israel cause you hate Islam, Sweden Democrats Supporter (An anti islam, Anti immigration party), Also hes Swedish if anybody wants to know.[/QUOTE] I swear I've seen that "face" as a special FX mask before. I'd really doubt it thats him.

My god his views are fucking retarded and bigoted.

[QUOTE=Lamar;27131838]I swear I've seen that "face" as a special FX mask before. I'd really doubt it thats him.[/QUOTE] No i remember seeing a picture of him on his old account (Removed) He was in a black suit wearing sun glasses and you could see he has wrinkly hands, i also thought at first he was wearing some latex mask. [editline]2nd January 2011[/editline] The only similar mask i can find is this one: [img]http://compositeeffects.com/blog/wp-content/gallery/codger-mask-eyebrows/codger_mask_brows_04.jpg[/img] But again i said he has wrkinly hands, also he has hair to the side of his head so therefore this is incorrect, and the nose is defferent, also a few other things.

israel was a bad idea to start with.

[QUOTE=Random94;27128982]But the difference between the palestinian situation and this is that we are showing you civilians not combatants[/QUOTE] [img]http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/9220/dead20german20civilians.jpg[/img] [img]http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/2144/25236304.jpg[/img] [img]http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/2751/article0021f68fd0000044.jpg[/img] Got enough dead German civilians to conclude that the Nazis were the good guys? Really, if the reality that civilians are dying and pictures of it are enough to shock you into changing sides, you need to grow some fucking balls. Empathise with their plight sure but don't throw logic out the fucking window. No doubt someone will continue to do it though hoping to shock people into agreeing with them because they don't have anything else to say.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;27137940][img_thumb]http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/9220/dead20german20civilians.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/2144/25236304.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/2751/article0021f68fd0000044.jpg[/img_thumb] Got enough dead German civilians to conclude that the Nazis were the good guys? Really, if the reality that civilians are dying and pictures of it are enough to shock you into changing sides, you need to grow some fucking balls. Empathise with their plight sure but don't throw logic out the fucking window. No doubt someone will continue to do it though hoping to shock people into agreeing with them because they don't have anything else to say.[/QUOTE] Were not planning to shock people into joining us, we are convincing them, who are the bad guys, Israel or the Palestinians? The fact is that we point out the Palestinian civilian casualties compared to the Israeli ones, the Israelis are far more well prepared for an attack than the Palestinians and the Israelis know that but continue to ignore that fact and create a massive amount of civilian causalities in Gaza (a very large and crowded city) . Also what we are showing isint for the dead bodies we are pointing out that most of these people are ordinary civilians rather than Hamas fighters or people supporting Hamas militarily or logistically.

[QUOTE=Random94;27128982]Ever heard of Israeli Settlements? [img_thumb]http://www.cincinnati4justiceinpalestine.org/images/palestinian_loss_of_land.jpg[/img_thumb] Again, this proves they are compressing the Palestinians into concentrated areas. Also pay Close attention to the last two maps, this is what im trying to show you. [/QUOTE] HERES THE PART WHERE I REITERATE: i don't agree with israels policies on palestine and the gaza strip at all. i'm just saying that comparing them to nazis is fucking stupid. that map doesn't prove a damn thing, yeah israel took land that didnt belong to them (in my opinion none of israel belongs to them!) but that still doesn't put them on par with the fucking nazis. jesus

[QUOTE=Random94;27138242]Were not planning to shock people into joining us, we are convincing them, who are the bad guys, Israel or the Palestinians? The fact is that we point out the Palestinian civilian casualties compared to the Israeli ones, the Israelis are far more well prepared for an attack than the Palestinians and the Israelis know that but continue to ignore that fact and create a massive amount of civilian causalities in Gaza (a very large and crowded city) . Also what we are showing isint for the dead bodies we are pointing out that most of these people are ordinary civilians rather than Hamas fighters or supporting Hamas militarily or logistically.[/QUOTE] The amount of dead civilians is completely unrelated to the right or wrong of the conflict, just an effect of their methods. Because Israel is more capable of fighting than Hamas doesn't mean they are automatically the bad guys. Even the dead civilians are only proof that their methods are reckless (something their are already fixing). They are aware of the civilian casualties just like anyone with a brain, it doesn't change the reasons they are fighting though. It's obvious to everyone they are uninvolved, no-one ever claimed they were killing collaborators. You can't expect their methods to be perfect though and civilians will die no matter what they do. If it's something they have very little say in, how is it an argument against them?

[QUOTE=Devodiere;27138630]The amount of dead civilians is completely unrelated to the right or wrong of the conflict, just an effect of their methods. Because Israel is more capable of fighting than Hamas doesn't mean they are automatically the bad guys. Even the dead civilians are only proof that their methods are reckless (something their are already fixing). They are aware of the civilian casualties just like anyone with a brain, it doesn't change the reasons they are fighting though.[/QUOTE] It isint capaibiliaties i'm talkng about, it's common sense, they moved into gaza knowing it was a heavily populated city, but they didnt give a damn, did they? And shows that they had the intent of recklessly and even intensionally Killing or injuring Civilians ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nkcYaqhpng[/url]) ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8ST5m9pREQ[/url]). ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=But9m3O4umI&feature=channel[/url]) That isint self defense, it's a war crime, and only until the video is open to public viewing then they try to arrest the soldiers, also one of those videos were from 2 years, when did they try to "fix" the collateral damage, after they finished making most of Gaza homeless and Impoverished?

[QUOTE=Random94;27139465]It isint capaibiliaties i'm talkng about, it's common sense, they moved into gaza knowing it was a heavily populated city, but they didnt give a damn, did they? And shows that they had the intent of recklessly and even intensionally Killing Civilians ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nkcYaqhpng[/url]) ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8ST5m9pREQ[/url]). That isint self defense, it's a war crime, and only until the video is open to public viewing then they try to arrest the soldiers, also one of those videos were from 2 years, when did they try to "fix" the collateral damage, after they finished making most of Gaza homeless and Impoverished?[/QUOTE] So because there are a lot of civlians there, they aren't allowed to do anything and just let them continue to organise attacks? They knew it was a populated city but just not doing anything about it for that reason is just as irresponsible. Those videos for anyone who actually watches them, are western farmers thinking yelling over a microphone in English while warning shots are fired on them is a good idea and a guy who was being uncooperative being shot with a rubber bullet and the IDF putting it under investigation. Not intentional lethal shooting of civilians at all. When I said fixing their methods I meant using precision air strikes to take out a single target with minimal casualties and police style actions in the west bank to concentrate forces where they are needed. They fix their methods, not by doing anything. Also they didn't fuck up all of Gaza. It was a fair bit of damage but there were still lots of people untouched by it.

[QUOTE=Random94;27131593]I think it's time for you to retire from facepunch Brage, after all, you could forget to take the vitamin pills the doctor ordered.[/QUOTE] I will never let them brainwash me with pills. [QUOTE=Random94;27132070]No i remember seeing a picture of him on his old account (Removed) He was in a black suit wearing sun glasses and you could see he has wrinkly hands, i also thought at first he was wearing some latex mask. [editline]2nd January 2011[/editline] The only similar mask i can find is this one: [img_thumb]http://compositeeffects.com/blog/wp-content/gallery/codger-mask-eyebrows/codger_mask_brows_04.jpg[/img_thumb] But again i said he has wrkinly hands, also he has hair to the side of his head so therefore this is incorrect, and the nose is defferent, also a few other things.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=RayDark;27131962]My god his views are fucking retarded and bigoted.[/QUOTE] No i just got fascist views. World ain't perfect and everything needs to be criticized. [QUOTE=RayDark;27131073]What the fuck is he doing on a forum populated with 85% 14 year olds.[/QUOTE] Hunting for children? [QUOTE=Random94;27130996]Judging by his facebook photos, yes, he even has wrinkly hands, so i doubt he wore a mask. Actually he moved it, here are Brage Alenius Nyman's photos: [img_thumb]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs831.snc4/69169_105422082857237_100001683380511_45796_7146001_n.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs965.snc4/75826_113708835361895_100001683380511_95282_4068089_n.jpg[/img_thumb] His facebook [url]http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001683380511[/url] You just like Israel cause you hate Islam, Sweden Democrats Supporter (An anti islam, Anti immigration party), Also hes Swedish if anybody wants to know.[/QUOTE] So all of a sudden you need to start conspiracy theories about my avatar. [QUOTE=Lamar;27131838]I swear I've seen that "face" as a special FX mask before. I'd really doubt it thats him.[/QUOTE] Spot on, it's a mask! You my god sir is the Winner. Better to put someones mask on my facebook instead of some random persons head. Shouldn't we return to topic now? I can start, [b]Civilians dies in war[/b]. Whop the fucking do.

[QUOTE=RayDark;27122737]You have been brainwashed. The following is not safe for work. [media]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Nf5FfHNth64/TRkhrpXj0MI/AAAAAAAALcc/JxFphLPMwIA/s1600/Gaza_Operation_Cast_Lead_001%255B1%255D.jpg[/media] [media]http://schema-root.org/region/middle_east/palestine/people/casualties/children/burnt_palestinian_child.jpg[/media][/QUOTE] Those are just pictures of what modern weaponry does to bodies, not evidence of a monstrous state. Now, while I agree that Israel is taking this shit way, way too far (It's like state-sanctioned anti-Palestinian pogroms) it is certainly nothing to the extent of Hitler and his Final Solution. Shit, that's what Iraqi civilian casualties look like, inflicted by accidental NATO fire. I don't see you shouting "Nazis" at NATO countries.

Reckless, careless and especially indiscriminate bombings do no justify the "civillian always dies in war" argument.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;27140029]Reckless, careless and especially indiscriminate bombings do no justify the "civillian always dies in war" argument.[/QUOTE] It justifies a fair amount of the deaths. The reckless stuff is occasional and becoming rarer, careless stuff is always going to happen with everyone, and indiscriminate bombings hardly took place ever. When they actually bombed a place, they at least had a good idea of where they were and although they might be considered excessive by some, it wasn't just random shelling of the city to soften them up.

[QUOTE=hurts;27140012]Those are just pictures of what modern weaponry does to bodies, not evidence of a monstrous state. Now, while I agree that Israel is taking this shit way, way too far (It's like state-sanctioned anti-Palestinian pogroms) it is certainly nothing to the extent of Hitler and his Final Solution. Shit, that's what Iraqi civilian casualties look like, inflicted by accidental NATO fire. I don't see you shouting "Nazis" at NATO countries.[/QUOTE] I agree. Not to mention that modern weaponry and good training keep down the collateral damage, they don't fire at civilians with intention to kill them. What if different views between the US and Mexico led to rockets flying over the border? I'm fucking sure the US will try do something about it and civilians might get caught in the crossfire that's the way it is.

[QUOTE=RayDark;27122737]You have been brainwashed. The following is not safe for work. [media]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Nf5FfHNth64/TRkhrpXj0MI/AAAAAAAALcc/JxFphLPMwIA/s1600/Gaza_Operation_Cast_Lead_001%255B1%255D.jpg[/media] [media]http://schema-root.org/region/middle_east/palestine/people/casualties/children/burnt_palestinian_child.jpg[/media][/QUOTE] Those are just pictures of what modern weaponry does to bodies, not evidence of a monstrous state. Now, while I agree that Israel is taking this shit way, way too far (It's like state-sanctioned anti-Palestinian pogroms) it is certainly nothing to the extent of Hitler and his Final Solution. Shit, that's what Iraqi civilian casualties look like, inflicted by accidental NATO fire. I don't see you shouting "Nazis" at NATO countries.

Oh it's that Mexican analogy again, the key word is context; the world is not black and white. ----- There has been reports by various NGOs and the UN about indiscriminate bombings. The UN provides Israel the coordinates of their bases in advance to prevent being bombed. Regardless, UN officials were "99.99% sure" that Hamas was not inside with them. (Besides, those rockets make a HUGE stream of smoke from the launch pad to the skies that last for a while.

Totally sorry to break this argument, but Starpluck what country are you from? The USA? Just wondering.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;27140286]There has been reports by various NGOs and the UN about indiscriminate bombings. The UN provides Israel the coordinates of their bases in advance to prevent being bombed. Regardless, UN officials were "99.99% sure" that Hamas was not inside with them. (Besides, those rockets make a HUGE stream of smoke from the launch pad to the skies that last for a while.[/QUOTE] They had reports that there were Hamas militants within the camp. They seemingly didn't check their intel and fucked up bombing a UN encampment, but that was not indiscriminate. However stupidly they decided to do it, they still aimed for them.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;27125781][img_thumb]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_fQD_UfiH5iA/SnNqtvmnEkI/AAAAAAAABfU/O5kcd8KfMjg/s400/dead+nazi.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://www.cerebral-coffins.com/lilliput/1003/Dead%20Nazi%20officer%20in%20snow,%20Mabompre,%20Belgium,%201944.jpg[/img_thumb] Oh look those are a bunch of dead Nazis, surely this means that they're the goods ones, because look, there are pictures of them dead, and we all know if you see someone dead that must mean he was the good guy.[/QUOTE] You literally make the dumbest fucking arguments and comparisons. You just went full retard. [editline]1st January 2011[/editline] I'm not on either side of this conflict so don't start throwing shit around at me for not being on Israels side. They're both in the wrong more often than not.

^ Nah, I can see the point he makes. In Israel/Palestine threads, some people often try and bring up sometimes gory pictures of hurt Palestinians, leading to a knee-jerk "bad Israel!" reaction. [QUOTE=Devodiere;27140355]They had reports that there were Hamas militants within the camp. They seemingly didn't check their intel and fucked up bombing a UN encampment, but that was not indiscriminate. However stupidly they decided to do it, they still aimed for them.[/QUOTE] I don't think there is anything to suggest a widespread, deliberate targeting of Palestinian civilians by Israeli armed forces.

Didn't the Israeli leader who tried to free Palestine and live together get shot in the head?