[Breaking] One Third of Sun-Like Stars have Earth-Sized Planets in Habitable Zone based on Kepler Da - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Raidyr;32515426]Saw space title. Instantly thought of Eudoxia.[/QUOTE] Saw Eudoxia and instantly thought of space.

Still doesn't solve the Fermi paradox. If the galaxy is awash in planets with Earthlike conditions, why do all our observations make it appear completely devoid of intelligent life?

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;32518133]Still doesn't solve the Fermi paradox. If the galaxy is awash in planets with Earthlike conditions, why do all our observations make it appear completely devoid of intelligent life?[/QUOTE] My guess is that as we work towards solving our socio economic problems here on Earth (poverty, hunger, war, human and economic inequality) and start working together as a species to start traversing the stars nearest us, there'll be a big galactic surprise party with a sign that says "Took you long enough!".

[QUOTE=Scar;32508005]Well, with transhumanism getting widespread eventually (hopefully), and us becoming immortal, I'm sure humanity will conquer the stars, and that we all will witness it[/QUOTE] Yeah, that's not going to happen in our lifetime buddy.

I think it would be far more interesting to see if we found another human society...

Why are so many people worried that any aliens out there are just going to be instantly racist against us and want to wipe us all out?

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;32507689] THE FUTURE IS BRIGHT [/QUOTE] I'm sorry Eudoxia but the future has been shelved indefinitely due to budget cuts.

[QUOTE=LCBADs;32521010]Why are so many people worried that any aliens out there are just going to be instantly racist against us and want to wipe us all out?[/QUOTE] They would have all the reason to be racist against us. Just look at our history, it's racism, wars and shit. And some good things too. So you weigh the benefit.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;32521030]They would have all the reason to be racist against us. Just look at our history, it's racism, wars and shit. And some good things too. So you weigh the benefit.[/QUOTE] holy shit I hope any aliens are [I]not[/I] like us at all they'll probably give us fusion reactors full of bioweapons, like small-pox rugs, if that were the case.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;32521030]They would have all the reason to be racist against us. Just look at our history, it's racism, wars and shit. And some good things too. So you weigh the benefit.[/QUOTE] And you're so confident that these aliens would have such a spotless record themselves?

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;32521030]They would have all the reason to be racist against us. Just look at our history, it's racism, wars and shit. And some good things too. So you weigh the benefit.[/QUOTE] I'd say they'd be a bit too excited to care about the people who have the general consensus of being dicks. I mean, wouldn't telling them that the people who start wars and such are idiots show itself that we aren't worth nuking?

How do we know that they even think anything like us? The concept of war, hate, poverty, all of these could be completely unknown to them. How are we to know that they have emotions, or have the ability to feel anger, trepidation, or hate? You can't assume that they're going to have anything or do anything you could possibly fathom, their form of life could be so far advanced that communication would simply go right over our heads.

[QUOTE=Aetna;32521321]How do we know that they even think anything like us? The concept of war, hate, poverty, all of these could be completely unknown to them. How are we to know that they have emotions, or have the ability to feel anger, trepidation, or hate? You can't assume that they're going to have anything or do anything you could possibly fathom, their form of life could be so far advanced that communication would simply go right over our heads.[/QUOTE] If they're so advanced, they'd figure out our concepts pretty fucking fast. If they're below us, then I guess we... help? Maybe? I wonder what the consequences of advancing a civilization like that would be?

[QUOTE=Cone;32521378]If they're so advanced, they'd figure out our concepts pretty fucking fast. If they're below us, then I guess we... help? Maybe? I wonder what the consequences of advancing a civilization like that would be?[/QUOTE] But their brains could work on an entirely different level than ours. They could be SO advanced that our concepts are so preliminary that they're of no use, if that makes any sense. You can't assume that all species will evolve and think the same way.

[QUOTE=Aetna;32521460]But their brains could work on an entirely different level than ours. They could be SO advanced that our concepts are so preliminary that they're of no use, if that makes any sense. You can't assume that all species will evolve and think the same way.[/QUOTE] I don't, but you said they were super-advanced enough that we they wouldn't understand us. And if we're of no use to them, they're clearly not advanced enough to see idiocy - we adapt quickly, in order for us to meet them we'll have some sort of FTL or wormhole device, and we're very good at killing things.

[QUOTE=Cone;32521510]I don't, but you said they were super-advanced enough that we they wouldn't understand us. And if we're of no use to them, they're clearly not advanced enough to see idiocy - we adapt quickly, in order for us to meet them we'll have some sort of FTL or wormhole device, and we're very good at killing things.[/QUOTE] But you don't understand that idiocy is a relative concept, defined by the qualities that we see in humans. Those qualities can vary from species to species, or be interpreted entirely differently.

[QUOTE=Aetna;32521675]But you don't understand that idiocy is a relative concept, defined by the qualities that we see in humans. Those qualities can vary from species to species, or be interpreted entirely differently.[/QUOTE] They fail to see that we are useful, and this is logically falicious. If they didn't have any idea of logic, they'd have died out pretty soon. I'm not saying their idea of logical thought would be the same as ours, just similar enough that we can help them figure it out without too much difficulty.

The whole problem is that all our life we've been painted a picture of aliens that demonstrate polar sides of humans. All these ideas of aliens being large empires that conquer everyone is just an extreme of human nature. They may not comprehend warfare or anything like that.

[QUOTE=Aetna;32521321]How do we know that they even think anything like us? The concept of war, hate, poverty, all of these could be completely unknown to them. How are we to know that they have emotions, or have the ability to feel anger, trepidation, or hate? You can't assume that they're going to have anything or do anything you could possibly fathom, their form of life could be so far advanced that communication would simply go right over our heads.[/QUOTE] I didn't get to it but I was going to touch on that. People are thinking about how aliens are going to totally hate us because fuck the human race everyone is a stupid asshole but me, in very human terms - they hate us because aliens are going to be the magic, socially progressive space elves of the future, and we won't be. If aliens are anything like us, it'll probably be fine - the people leading the space race here on Earth recognize that racism is bad, why wouldn't the ones leading the alien space race? And if they are going to wipe us out, it'll be for some ridiculous or nonsensical reason that only makes sense to them, not because of how mean we were to the Iraqis or how we pollute Mother Earth.

[QUOTE=Mackalda2k6;32521732]The whole problem is that all our life we've been painted a picture of aliens that demonstrate polar sides of humans. All these ideas of aliens being large empires that conquer everyone is just an extreme of human nature. They may not comprehend warfare or anything like that.[/QUOTE] Exactly... why must humans believe that our concepts and way of life are the only ones? I'm sure there's plenty forms of thought and life we aren't capable of understanding.

Then what's going to happen when we meet an alien race? Will we be able to break the language barrier and thought barrier?

[QUOTE=Mackalda2k6;32521907]Then what's going to happen when we meet an alien race? Will we be able to break the language barrier and thought barrier?[/QUOTE] Probably. We can do anything there's profit in.

[QUOTE=minilandstan;32508070]You humans are all racist.[/QUOTE] [img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mLJ0xzy8C2Q/TiOe1mGNRGI/AAAAAAAAAXQ/P-giWryO630/s1600/starshipTroopers+%25281%2529.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Aetna;32521321]How do we know that they even think anything like us? The concept of war, hate, poverty, all of these could be completely unknown to them. How are we to know that they have emotions, or have the ability to feel anger, trepidation, or hate? You can't assume that they're going to have anything or do anything you could possibly fathom, their form of life could be so far advanced that communication would simply go right over our heads.[/QUOTE] I'd assume war comes from primitive tribal attacks. So assuming predator prey relationships still exist on their planet, then they'll still have war. You could say that primates, cetaceans, and many other intelligent animals on our own planet wage war, at least tribal conflicts. We've just kept a grudge for so long that we've gotten to the point where mass casualties and destruction became a part of it. unless they advanced to the point where they all unanimously saw the pointlessness in it.

[QUOTE=LCBADs;32521125]And you're so confident that these aliens would have such a spotless record themselves?[/QUOTE] I wouldn't know.. Actually I'm somewhat confident that if we ever find other life it's some non-sentient shit in its evolution's early stage. Or maybe not. And no I probably wouldn't assume the aliens to have a spotless history of wise choices/conflict resolutions or whatever, but it's them as a whole or we as a whole to make the change any day, just imagine the possibilities! Technically, or in theory I don't know, there wouldn't have to be any reason for fight.

Oh shit. Someone give NASA millions of dollars, we must nuke these planets before they develop intelligent life, and nuke us. If it is not too late.

[QUOTE=OvB;32523900]I'd assume war comes from primitive tribal attacks. So assuming predator prey relationships still exist on their planet, then they'll still have war. You could say that primates, cetaceans, and many other intelligent animals on our own planet wage war, at least tribal conflicts. We've just kept a grudge for so long that we've gotten to the point where mass casualties and destruction became a part of it. unless they advanced to the point where they all unanimously saw the pointlessness in it.[/QUOTE] Another important factor is that life as we know it follows a simple pattern. In general (and a few exceptions do present themselves) predators are usually more intelligent than their prey. Being more intelligent helps a predator learn about where their prey frequent and other important factors, so as far as we know intelligence like ours is a result of being a predator, like we are. Being a predator is also likely to explain wars and violence, so what if another intelligent species is predatorial? Will we find that war is a universal thing among intelligent species?

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;32526341]Another important factor is that life as we know it follows a simple pattern. In general (and a few exceptions do present themselves) predators are usually more intelligent than their prey. Being more intelligent helps a predator learn about where their prey frequent and other important factors, so as far as we know intelligence like ours is a result of being a predator, like we are. Being a predator is also likely to explain wars and violence, so what if another intelligent species is predatorial? Will we find that war is a universal thing among intelligent species?[/QUOTE] You're looking at this with the perspective of what we've learned here on earth. Other beings and places may be entirely different, these concepts may be completely impossible with alternate forms of life. Advancement, intelligence, that's all relative to what we know as a species, and seeing as we know nothing of other life there's no way to tell what things we don't and can't understand. [editline]28th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Bat-shit;32525209]I wouldn't know.. Actually I'm somewhat confident that if we ever find other life it's some non-sentient shit in its evolution's early stage. Or maybe not. [/QUOTE] Where do you find this confidence? There's no evidence to support that that's the case. Our knowledge of space, although considered somewhat meaningful, is more than likely minimal, at the lowest rung of the ladder. Space is infinite, and there's an infinite amount of information to be had. Gut instinct will get you nowhere here.

[QUOTE=Medevilae;32527312]It's just as likely we're on top as it is we're on the very bottom- we could be the most advanced species in the galaxy for all you know.[/QUOTE] It's most certainly a possibility, but a highly unlikely one. Just because our life can't form on the majority of planets we've discovered does not mean that other forms can't. I'd be very surprised for the human race to live out its time and find nothing more "advanced" by our standards.

[QUOTE=Aetna;32527250]You're looking at this with the perspective of what we've learned here on earth. Other beings and places may be entirely different, these concepts may be completely impossible with alternate forms of life. Advancement, intelligence, that's all relative to what we know as a species, and seeing as we know nothing of other life there's no way to tell what things we don't and can't understand. [editline]28th September 2011[/editline] Where do you find this confidence? There's no evidence to support that that's the case. Our knowledge of space, although considered somewhat meaningful, is more than likely minimal, at the lowest rung of the ladder.[/QUOTE] I uhh.. wouldn't say that. Obviously I don't have a lot to support it, just that inside the 14 billion years, which is the Universe's estimated age, our planet was formed in the 10th billion year, or something like that. Then another 4 billion years for life to develop. And the last ~200 years for complex technology. So that leaves 10 billion years worth of possible planets with life on it, even technologies beyond imagination... But they are "kinda" scarcely spread out, and requires some good conditions.