Dear God, yes... Win10 a free upgrade for Win8 AND Win7 users. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Demache;46985194][t]http://az648995.vo.msecnd.net/win/2014/09/Tech-Preview_Start-menu.png[/t] The tiles are in the start menu now.[/QUOTE] If all that is customizable, that's a big improvement over 8. Anyone know if it requires a complete reformat to upgrade?

[QUOTE=karlosfandango;46988123]Can I get a refund though if I don't like it?[/QUOTE] Yes. You will be refunded the zero dollars and zero cents you spent on upgrading to windows 10 :v:

[QUOTE=Matt2468rv;46983209]There has to be some catch to this. I find it hard to believe they're literally going to give away Windows 10.[/QUOTE] the catch is that lots of consumers are obnoxious and will find every excuse in the book to not upgrade, holding back the progression of things made for higher end platforms because everyone whines about wanting backwards compatibility built into new shit. It costs all developers time and money to hold onto old standards for longer, not to mention halts potential new features because it won't be accessible to everybody, and that'll be a PR nightmare of its own. This benefits Microsoft and developers everywhere in the long run, and will be profitable through what comes of its uses Microsoft is rubbing it in the noses of people who whine about things not being worth the cost when what they have is 'enough'. They did this with w8 too, selling it for $10 for a good while at its release, and people still complained that it was literally satan trying to steal their hard earned money for lesser goods

I hope the upgrade can work seamlessly with your current files and folders on whatever OS you're on. I don't want to have to re-install all my games and software.

[QUOTE=ThePanther;46989406]I hope the upgrade can work seamlessly with your current files and folders on whatever OS you're on. I don't want to have to re-install all my games and software.[/QUOTE] the current beta requires a fresh install (for obvious reasons) but it's likely that the consumer release upgrade will install on top of your current data, as previous versions have done.

[QUOTE=TestECull;46981944]I'll grab a key from the program, but unless W10 has a classic skin that makes it look like 98SE I won't use it until games simply don't run on Seven anymore. I don't want, need, care for or desire the flashy metro bullshit Microsoft's been trying to push us towards since XP. I've always used the classic skin and will continue to do so. Fancy doesn't appeal, function first form maybe in a year.[/QUOTE] But that skin both looks bad, and functions poorly. Why you think it's somehow mechanically superior is beyond me.

[QUOTE=dai;46989417]the current beta requires a fresh install (for obvious reasons)[/QUOTE] I must be a wizard then because I ran an upgrade install from Windows 7 and she's running like a goddamn champion i admit i had a false start at first because Windows 10's installer downgraded my nVidia drivers to 340.xx for some reason (trying to run UT2015 caused a blue screen), but after installing 347.xx everything came back to life. the moral here is Windows Update is still garbage about driver management and you're better off managing them yourself.

[QUOTE=lavacano;46989744]I must be a wizard then because I ran an upgrade install from Windows 7 and she's running like a goddamn champion i admit i had a false start at first because Windows 10's installer downgraded my nVidia drivers to 340.xx for some reason (trying to run UT2015 caused a blue screen), but after installing 347.xx everything came back to life. the moral here is Windows Update is still garbage about driver management and you're better off managing them yourself.[/QUOTE] must've changed since I last downloaded it, awesome

[QUOTE=dai;46989417]the current beta requires a fresh install (for obvious reasons) but it's likely that the consumer release upgrade will install on top of your current data, as previous versions have done.[/QUOTE] This is the case, one this thing that unlike earlier systems you had to be running the latest OS to upgrade directly, they're also putting an upgrade too for Windows 7 to encourage users to update conveniently

[QUOTE=Mr. Zombie;46981640]As someone who didn't watch the stream, why should I upgrade from 7 to 10 anyways?[/QUOTE] Assuming they don't pull a Win8 on us, why wouldn't you? I mean it's free and is going to have mainstream support for the coming years, unlike Win7. [editline]22nd January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=viperfan7;46988090]I think the good-bad-good-bad thing is on hold, windows 7 was amazing, windows 8 just as good, windows 8.1 fixed almost every problem I had with 8 (metro UI is still useless to me), and from the sounds of things windows 10 is even better[/QUOTE] Opinions.

Can we do it yet? Where do we upgrade?

[QUOTE=Totenkreuz;46994276]Can we do it yet? Where do we upgrade?[/QUOTE] no, this summer

[QUOTE=lavacano;46989744]I must be a wizard then because I ran an upgrade install from Windows 7 and she's running like a goddamn champion i admit i had a false start at first because Windows 10's installer downgraded my nVidia drivers to 340.xx for some reason (trying to run UT2015 caused a blue screen), but after installing 347.xx everything came back to life. the moral here is Windows Update is still garbage about driver management and you're better off managing them yourself.[/QUOTE] I personally just set up a 90GB partition and installed it there. Dual-boot works really well, and apart from some user error I haven't had any major problems yet.

[QUOTE=Jsm;46983109]You are dumb for overlooking all the benefits added in Windows 8. It is a much superior operating system to Windows 7, and Windows 10 will just build upon that. [editline]21st January 2015[/editline] [b]People who stick with Windows 7 after 10 is out and stable(ish) are just as bad as the people who stuck with XP till recently..[/b][/QUOTE] Who gives a shit what they use, honestly? They aren't hurting anybody.

[QUOTE=LSK;46999539]Who gives a shit what they use, honestly? They aren't hurting anybody.[/QUOTE] Bit of a different issue. One is entitled to use whatever operating system they seem fit; however, holding onto an operating system that has been phased out and met the end of official support causes issues. Applications and drivers need to include backwards compatibility for older technology, and reduces the likeliness of common adaptation of a more recent technology. Look back on how long XP lingered in the market. It won't be far fetched to say that the general spread of x64 was delayed for a few years because of it; and considering a lot of manufacturing machines still rely on serial bus with Windows XP or lower, it's rather apparent that fragmentation as such ultimately brings harm as a whole.

[QUOTE=LSK;46999539]Who gives a shit what they use, honestly? They aren't hurting anybody.[/QUOTE] Until they complain about new things not being compatible with their old operating system, and devs have to start devoting more resources towards making programs and services backwards compatable instead of making improvements. Like, say, DirectX. [editline]24th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=XiNAVRO;46999733]Bit of a different issue. One is entitled to use whatever operating system they seem fit; however, holding onto an operating system that has been phased out and met the end of official support causes issues. Applications and drivers need to include backwards compatibility for older technology, and reduces the likeliness of common adaptation of a more recent technology. Look back on how long XP lingered in the market. It won't be far fetched to say that the general spread of x64 was delayed for a few years because of it; and considering a lot of manufacturing machines still rely on serial bus with Windows XP or lower, it's rather apparent that fragmentation as such ultimately brings harm as a whole.[/QUOTE] Also this.

So I have a cheap shitty HP laptop with Win 7 Starter OEM code. I won't get Win 10 upgrade right?

[QUOTE=SouthParkMGT;46999786]So I have a cheap shitty HP laptop with Win 7 Starter OEM code. I won't get Win 10 upgrade right?[/QUOTE] Actually, thats a pretty good point. What if they just give us windows 10 starter or something like that?

[QUOTE=viperfan7;46988090]I think the good-bad-good-bad thing is on hold, windows 7 was amazing, windows 8 just as good, windows 8.1 fixed almost every problem I had with 8 (metro UI is still useless to me), and from the sounds of things windows 10 is even better[/QUOTE] The way I see the Windows Cycle now is Introduce-Improve-Introduce, in even versions like Vista and 8, they introduce new features like Aero, UAC and Metro, then in 7 and 10, they fix the problems people had with the new features (UAC being overly restrictive, Metro being too tablet oriented) while adding a new things on top Some people might like the new features as they are, while some want to wait until it's been polished in the next version

[QUOTE=windows098;47000842]Actually, thats a pretty good point. What if they just give us windows 10 starter or something like that?[/QUOTE] You get Windows 10 Bing Edition. I actually don't know. :v:

I wonder what gonna be Google's move.

[QUOTE=lavacano;46985842]Performance benefits up the ass, [B]hibernate no longer sucks[/B], shut down now performs a "hybrid boot" which is basically hibernating but only restores the core system on boot up (accelerates the fuck out of boot times, can be disabled if for instance you dual boot Windows and Linux), if you log in with a Microsoft account it syncs shit like your account picture and desktop wallpaper (and your installed Metro apps if you installed any of those), Windows can automatically adjust your color to match your background (with 75% "looks good" rate in my experience) some people think the change from the Aero style to the flatter Metro style is a major benefit[/QUOTE] In what ways has hibernate been changed? I have been unable to hibernate my (win 7) PC since I went up from 8gb of ram to 20-something. I am [I]guessing[/I] its related to that. Would be great if that was fixed.

So if I get this free upgrade from Win7, I don't have to reformat? That would be great, but would Win10 be a bigger strain on my hardware than Win7? I want to be able to run my games just as well as I can on Win7 if I'm gonna upgrade.

"Free" as in "free beer", etc.

[QUOTE=Jzzb;47002885]So if I get this free upgrade from Win7, I don't have to reformat? That would be great, but would Win10 be a bigger strain on my hardware than Win7? I want to be able to run my games just as well as I can on Win7 if I'm gonna upgrade.[/QUOTE] Every Windows after Vista has actually been easier on the hardware than the last. 8 is lighter than 7 and 10 is lighter than 8.

[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;47003050]Every Windows after Vista has actually been easier on the hardware than the last. 8 is lighter than 7 and 10 is lighter than 8.[/QUOTE] Partly because of an increasingly minimal design, right? Bauhaus has its benefits Also, is 10 gonna take up less HDD space? Mine is getting a little crowded right now with 7

[QUOTE=Totenkreuz;46994276]Can we do it yet? Where do we upgrade?[/QUOTE] Yes, and google Windows 10 Technical Preview. It's free.

[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;47003069]Partly because of an increasingly minimal design, right? Bauhaus has its benefits Also, is 10 gonna take up less HDD space? Mine is getting a little crowded right now with 7[/QUOTE] Don't know the hard drive space thing off the top of my head, but I'd say the resource-intensiveness is just due to general optimization over time. Vista was the one that introduced all the big sweeping changes; everything since then has mostly just been incremental and under-the-hood stuff, even considering 7's Superbar and 8 bringing us Metro. We've only slowly been getting back on track to the whole "Windows Vienna" vision that 7 was supposed to be in the first place before it had to take a detour into "Vista 2.0."

[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;47003098]Don't know the hard drive space thing off the top of my head, but I'd say the resource-intensiveness is just due to general optimization over time. Vista was the one that introduced all the big sweeping changes; everything since then has mostly just been incremental and under-the-hood stuff, even considering 7's Superbar and 8 bringing us Metro. We've only slowly been getting back on track to the whole "Windows Vienna" vision that 7 was supposed to be in the first place before it had to take a detour into "Vista 2.0."[/QUOTE] Aero was definitely took a toll on users' graphics cards, and since now they're going for a cross-platform interface that needs to work on the weaker GPUs of tablets, they settled with a less graphics-intensive design that still reflected modern taste That makes sense, right?

Well yeah, that bit makes sense. 7 still stuck with Aero, though, and it was lighter than Vista.