British cardinal: Gay marriage is a violation of human rights on par with slavery
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I'm fine with this freedom of speech teh cardinal exercises. It just shows how stupid they are.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;34990250]It did, and it was pretty harsh.
[I]Leviticus 18:22[/I] - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
[I]Leviticus 20:13[/I] - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.[/QUOTE]
The original literal Hebrew translation of Leviticus 18:22 goes as so:
"You shall not lie with a male [on] the beds of a woman, it is a despising.”"
This implies that it is not against Homosexuality, but Homosexuality to what could be said as 'mocking' a woman.
[QUOTE=Irockz;34990592]The original literal Hebrew translation of Leviticus 18:22 goes as so:
"You shall not lie with a male [on] the beds of a woman, it is a despising.”"
This implies that it is not against Homosexuality, but Homosexuality to what could be said as 'mocking' a woman.[/QUOTE]
Interpretation, the bane of any religion.
[QUOTE=Irockz;34990592]The original literal Hebrew translation of Leviticus 18:22 goes as so:
"You shall not lie with a male [on] the beds of a woman, it is a despising.”"
This implies that it is not against Homosexuality, but Homosexuality to what could be said as 'mocking' a woman.[/QUOTE]
Hey, if anything women are mocking me, pretty much ever nice guy I know is straight. :v:
Anger, destruction, death, obliteration, annihilation, pulverization, murder, chaos!
Now that I got that out of my system:
Good christians, terrible people. Maybe we should use one of those speech-jamming guns?
I don't get why they hate it so much. Surely it's nothing to do with them?
Depriving a child of a mother/father, But letting the child be born into a family of drug abuse and hatred is morally correct
I'm getting kind of bored of this tit-for-tat bullshit. I wish some politician would just grow a pair and declare, "yeah, gay marriage is happening, deal with it".
[QUOTE=Shrapnel :3;34990696]I'm getting kind of bored of this tit-for-tat bullshit. I wish some politician would just grow a pair and declare, "yeah, gay marriage is happening, deal with it".[/QUOTE]
They already have, they're currently conducting a public consultation into [i]how[/i] to implement gay marriage
[QUOTE=Jackald;34990723]Also, shouldn't christians love and tolerate homosexuals? That's what Jesus would do...[/QUOTE]
Unless they should sell something in church, in which case he'll beat 'em.
Hard.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;34990250]they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.[/QUOTE]
Wait, that contradicts this:
[quote]You shall not murder[/quote]
Straight from the 10 commandments.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;34990935]Wait, that contradicts this:
Straight from the 10 commandments.[/QUOTE]
Contradictions? In MY holy text?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;34990935]Wait, that contradicts this:
Straight from the 10 commandments.[/QUOTE]
According to Abrahamic believers, "Murder" can only be done to people you don't disagree with.
[QUOTE=inconspicious;34989671]Don't expect logic and common sense from a religious person.[/QUOTE]
Homosexuality is fine.
There, you just got common sense and logic from a religious person.
Well...
Bible does endorse slavery a lot so he's technically calling gay marriage a positive thing.
Didn't the church support one of those things?
Ezekiel 25:17. "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord, when I lay my vengeance upon you."
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;34990935]Wait, that contradicts this:
Straight from the 10 commandments.[/QUOTE]
Murder is [I]unlawful[/I] killing.
[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;34990963]According to Abrahamic believers, "Murder" can only be done to people you don't disagree with.[/QUOTE]
It's more the ten commandments are translated about as horribly as a thing can be. It's "[URL="http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0003_0_03145.html"]thou shalt not kill unless thou hast a really good fucking reason, scooter[/URL]".
-snip, read it wrong-
Good thing the number of religious people decrease every year, hopefully soon we don't have any more idiots like this person.
I cannot put my frustration in words.
"He said it was wrong to deliberately deprive a child of a mother or father."
Ok then, lets force all single mothers to marry, because that will obviously solve all the problems with the world (!)
Also when did a child come into this? just because two people are married doesn't necisarily mean that they want a child, And as far as I know single people can adopt children too.
[QUOTE=agentgamma;34989665]So having rights is a violation of rights? What?[/QUOTE]
Duh, remember? This is a universal human right. Homosexuals aren't humans. Even Hitler said so.
Come on guys.
[QUOTE=Jackald;34990723]The old testament had some real corkers which is why the old testament is supposed to be ignored, except for when it agrees with modern values, in which case it's infallible.
/christian logic.
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Some of my favourite passages from the old testament inform people of such wonderful things as cutting out your eyes if you look at a married woman and are aroused, being stoned to death for saying the word "Jehovah" and making sure to beat women and children if they are disrespectful.
Other entertaining parts include God-sanctioned murdering of an entire city, an omniscient omnipotent god "making a mistake" and starting over, and God fucking with some guy and almost making him murder his son to test his faith.
This is truly a brilliant moral compass. Without such moral guidance I would never be able to learn for myself that "murder is wrong, unless it's in the name of the lord" or "stealing is bad, unless it's for the sake of God"
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Also, shouldn't christians love and tolerate homosexuals? That's what Jesus would do...[/QUOTE]
There's a passage in the Old Testament that states no such revisioning shall be taken into account I believe. I'll look.
"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)
Yep, Old Testament is not to be changed or ignored.
catholics are a fucking disgrace anyway, most disgusting twisters of jesus' word there is.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;34999094]catholics are a fucking disgrace anyway, most disgusting twisters of jesus' word there is.[/QUOTE]
Jesus didn't need a lot of word twisting.
He agreed that disobedient kids should be killed, and he had a harsher punishment for adultery than god, just off the top of my head.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;34999113]Jesus didn't need a lot of word twisting.
He agreed that disobedient kids should be killed, and he had a harsher punishment for adultery than god, just off the top of my head.[/QUOTE]
i like to think that alot of silly things said by his disciples were attributed to him and that his general message of love and tolerance was the only one that really mattered (i'm not a christian though so really i dont give a shit). i was mostly referring to how jesus was all about working with and amongst the poor whilst catholics are all about building huge fucking cathedrals and lining the popes pockets with gold and filling the vatican with shitloads of treasure. remember at christmas? they flew in a huge fucking xmas tree from ukraine and covered it in gold and silver decorations, and this is the religion that preaches that it is easier for a camel to get through the eye of a needle than a rich man into heaven?
lulz the catholic church, same people to support the nazis and just about every other fascist dictatorship throughout history.
[QUOTE=Vasili;34999219]lulz the catholic church, same people to support the nazis and just about every other fascist dictatorship throughout history.[/QUOTE]
and the inquisitions and the crusades and the enslavement of non-christians and non-whites. what a wonderful organization
[QUOTE=Keyblockor;34989631]Dear British Cardinal : Go back in your time machine to the 1100's, you belong there.[/QUOTE]
“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.” - Seneca, ca. 50 AD.
I'm fairly sure the 1100s is outdated for him.
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