Chris Hansen is reviving To Catch A Predator on Kickstarter
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[QUOTE=cyanidem;47517841]It's still fucked up even if they are complete scum. It should be a police matter, not some cheesy entertainment show to grab ratings and dollars.
Isn't the end goal of jail time to rehabilitate criminals back into productive members of society? Isn't this whole show format just exploiting the whole situation and hindering this process?[/QUOTE]
You aren't really gonna be able to rehabilitate someone who's done something that society at large uses as a way to totally shun. Simply being investigated for something like that is often enough to cost someone in America their job, their friends, even their family a lot of times. An arrest pretty much means the state your living in is no longer a good place to be, pick one on the other end of the country, and a conviction means your life is effectively over if and when you do get back out. You'll never get a decent job and you'll never be able to live in a decent suburb or apartment.
[QUOTE=TestECull;47518577]You aren't really gonna be able to rehabilitate someone who's done something that society at large uses as a way to totally shun. Simply being investigated for something like that is often enough to cost someone in America their job, their friends, even their family a lot of times. An arrest pretty much means the state your living in is no longer a good place to be, pick one on the other end of the country, and a conviction means your life is effectively over if and when you do get back out. You'll never get a decent job and you'll never be able to live in a decent suburb or apartment.[/QUOTE]
At that point, suicide seems like the better option
[QUOTE=Deng;47518288]I didn't know people enjoyed watching shows where you can watch mentally ill people get arrested.[/QUOTE]
It's one thing to have an urge. It's another to act on it. That's the key thing that seems to be forgotten in this thread.
Parallel situation: As a guy, I can look at a woman and think "sex with her would be cool". However, if I were to just force myself upon her, that's putting my urges on priority without considering how she feels. It's where you start acting on an urge where you are in the wrong.
It would be cool if he had a segment where he talked about cases where the law was used to persecute innocent people like Chris Handley.
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;47518626]It's one thing to have an urge. It's another to act on it. That's the key thing that seems to be forgotten in this thread.[/QUOTE]
So is filming it and putting it on national television for entertainment a good idea?
[QUOTE=Deng;47518706]So is filming it and putting it on national television for entertainment a good idea?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;47517864]Well I don't agree with how the show puts them on public display, but there seemed to be some confusion earlier about pedophiles vs. predators being targeted that I just wanted to clear up.[/QUOTE]
Read the thread.
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;47518712]Well I don't agree with how the show puts them on public display, but there seemed to be some confusion earlier about pedophiles vs. predators being targeted that I just wanted to clear up.[/QUOTE]
Well it's true that there's a difference between predators and pedophiles, but there's still something not right with the show as a concept in itself.
Yes they were going to predate on a kid, but I'm pretty sure that the show exists more for entertainment than to actually dispense justice.
[QUOTE=Deng;47518806]Well it's true that there's a difference between predators and pedophiles, but there's still something not right with the show as a concept in itself.
Yes they were going to predate on a kid, but I'm pretty sure that the show exists more for entertainment than to actually dispense justice.[/QUOTE]
COPS is pretty much the same thing except for lesser crimes
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;47518852]COPS is pretty much the same thing except for lesser crimes[/QUOTE]
COPS is shit too
[QUOTE=Jund;47518985]COPS is shit too[/QUOTE]
Jund gives us a simple guide on how to be wrong
Kickstarter description better start with; "[i]Hello. What are you doing on my Kickstarter page? Why don't you take a seat right over there and I'll tell you about my project[/i]", or I'm going to be so disappointed.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;47518993]Jund gives us a simple guide on how to be wrong[/QUOTE]
it exploits generally underprivileged neighborhoods to generate ratings from middle class suburban america
all it does it cause "us vs them" hysteria and actively sabotages attempts to actually fix these problems, just like to catch a predator
[QUOTE=Deng;47518806]Well it's true that there's a difference between predators and pedophiles, but there's still something not right with the show as a concept in itself.
Yes they were going to predate on a kid, but I'm pretty sure that the show exists more for entertainment than to actually dispense justice.[/QUOTE] Who cares if people find it entertaining? It's still putting creepy predators behind bars where they can't hurt anyone.
why do you watch COPS?
do you enjoy seeing those dirty lawbreakers get their comeuppance? does vengeance make you feel better? or does being shown how the world is "outside" make you feel safer in your own environment?
[QUOTE=isnipeu;47519058]Who cares if people find it entertaining? It's still putting creepy predators behind bars where they can't hurt anyone.[/QUOTE]
it matters because it's pretty disgusting in itself
let's point and laugh at the freaks, the criminals, the deviants, the outliers
just form a circle around them at laugh with everyone else so you can go to sleep at night feeling better that you're not one of them
[QUOTE=Water-Marine;47517630]He had an affair with a journalist. Unless NBC's hiring young nowadays, I think you might be a bit off[/QUOTE]
then I was thinking of someone else. sorry
[QUOTE=Jund;47519069]why do you watch COPS?
do you enjoy seeing those dirty lawbreakers get their comeuppance? does vengeance make you feel better? or does being shown how the world is "outside" make you feel safer in your own environment?
it matters because it's pretty disgusting in itself
let's point and laugh at the freaks, the criminals, the deviants, the outliers
just form a circle around them at laugh with everyone else so you can go to sleep at night feeling better that you're not one of them[/QUOTE] It's pretty common for people to want to see the good guys win and the bad guys brought to justice. And yeah it is pretty funny seeing the predators reaction when they find out they've been caught and sometimes they'll try and make up some dumb bullshit when they've clearly been trying to get with some kid.
[QUOTE=isnipeu;47519058]Who cares if people find it entertaining? It's still putting creepy predators behind bars where they can't hurt anyone.[/QUOTE]
It's exploiting a social problem for the purpose of amusing people.
If the LGBT movement hadn't started as early as it did, then shows entrapping gay people and transsexuals would be as widely popular as this one. Sodomy was still illegal in many states about 20 years ago, a show like that could have gotten off the ground with few problems.
[QUOTE=Deng;47519192]It's exploiting a social problem for the purpose of amusing people.
If the LGBT movement hadn't started as early as it did, then shows entrapping gay people and transsexuals would be as widely popular as this one.[/QUOTE]
Too bad that trans people and gays aren't actually predating on children, as opposed to what To Catch A Predator was doing.
Being gay/trans =/= a crime
Openly wanting to have intercourse with a child and then choosing to pursue that want = a crime
[editline]13th April 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Deng;47519192]Sodomy was still illegal in many states about 20 years ago, a show like that could have gotten off the ground with few problems.[/QUOTE]
But the laws regarding sodomy could still be debated and obviously were repealed.
It's not easy to debate something, like, you know, child rape.
[QUOTE=Deng;47519192]It's exploiting a social problem for the purpose of amusing people.
If the LGBT movement hadn't started as early as it did, then shows entrapping gay people and transsexuals would be as widely popular as this one. Sodomy was still illegal in many states about 20 years ago, a show like that could have gotten off the ground with few problems.[/QUOTE]
You seem to be getting two consenting adults above the age of consent confused with a grown person preying on small children.
There is a [B]big[/B] difference.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;47519207]Too bad that trans people and gays aren't actually predating on children, as opposed to what To Catch A Predator was doing.
Being gay/trans =/= a crime
Openly wanting to have intercourse with a child and then choosing to pursue that want = a crime
[editline]13th April 2015[/editline]
But the laws regarding sodomy could still be debated and obviously were repealed.
It's not easy to debate something, like, you know, child rape.[/QUOTE]
The point is that homosexuals were once widely detested and the police force was once actively involved in arresting LGBT people. Even today there are still cases where the police try to entrap homosexuals for illicit prostitution or the such.
If the movement hadn't arrived when it did, then shows entrapping homosexuals would have appeared and most likely become popular. Yes these are child predators, but the fact it's deemed acceptable to deliberately entrap them and film them on national television for entertainment because they do a disgusting and illegal act is already pretty close.
30 years ago, homosexual people were arrested because people thought what they did, was disgusting, and it was illegal. Filming them isn't a big step to take from there, and the idea that filming child predators being entrapped (no matter how disgusting they are) isn't justice.
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;47519233]You seem to be getting two consenting adults above the age of consent confused with a grown person preying on small children.
There is a [B]big[/B] difference.[/QUOTE]
In the past, homosexuals and sexual predators were often equated as being the same. Yes it is different now. The point is that in the past this wasn't the case, and that shows like that would have been popular.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;47518611]At that point, suicide seems like the better option[/QUOTE]
A lot of people resort to that. Still others re-offend because there's no real incentive for them to try to live a normal life.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;47518852]COPS is pretty much the same thing except for lesser crimes[/QUOTE]
Not really. COPS doesn't try to goad people into doing crimes. It just puts a cameraman and a sound guy in a squad car and airs whatever they record that's worth airing. It's no different than showing dashcam footage, and they outright say at the beginning of the show that everyone on it is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
TCAP is borderline entrapment. COPS is just showing people what some police officers go through in their daily duties.[QUOTE=Jund;47519043]it exploits generally underprivileged neighborhoods to generate ratings from middle class suburban america
all it does it cause "us vs them" hysteria and actively sabotages attempts to actually fix these problems, just like to catch a predator[/QUOTE]
No, it doesn't. You are aware that the majority of street criminals are from that segment of society, right? The show just shows cops doing what cops do, and most of the calls cops make that aren't car crashes tend to be petty crime just like what's shown on COPS. Poverty tends to breed crime, and where crime is high property values plummet, so it's no big surprise that most of the crime in the country happens in the poorest neighborhoods. If you're going to make a reality show that records police officers doing their job, hey guess what? [i]The majority of their material is gonna come from the crime ridden poor neighborhoods![/i] If that's where most of the crime is that's where most of the crime show material is. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.
If you want COPS to feature more suburbanites you're gonna have to convince suburbanites to commit more crime.
[QUOTE=Jund;47519069]why do you watch COPS?[/quote]
Because I like the show.
[quote]do you enjoy seeing those dirty lawbreakers get their comeuppance?[/quote] This 'argument'...it's so terrible I hesitate to even call it one but I'll humor ya...would apply to every fictional cop movie and TV show and novel and video game ever made. And, indeed, every spaghetti western ever made, every mystery novel ever written, most videogames with a plot....a rather startling amount of media revolves around this exact concept.
It's no different with COPS. You think it is because it shows actual criminals, but it doesn't. If you want to argue against COPS using this argument you might as well argue against every crime drama and mystery and action flick ever penned with it as well. It's the same concept.
[quote]does vengeance make you feel better?[/quote] It will for most people whether they admit it or not. Human beings are programmed to enjoy that.
[quote] or does being shown how the world is "outside" make you feel safer in your own environment?
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Not reaally. I don't need a show like COPS for that, I already live in a safe environment. No, shows like COPS are a window into the parts of town I don't personally visit, the parts of town that aren't safe. It shows what sort of bullshit police officers have to put up with every time they clock in, the reality of the gang problem and what the war of drugs is doing to society, and it also shows what [i]real[/i] policework looks like. Because, well, it's filming real cops busting real criminals in the real world. It is the nitty gritty of policing, the yin to Stallone's hurrdurrexplodeallthethings action movie yang.
I have no idea why you're white knighting the common criminals busted on COPS so hard. Are you secretly one of them or something?
[QUOTE=Deng;47519266]
30 years ago, homosexual people were arrested because people thought what they did, was disgusting, and it was illegal. Filming them isn't a big step to take from there, and the idea that filming child predators [B]being entrapped[/B] (no matter how disgusting they are) isn't justice.
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Entrapment is when a police officer goads you into doing something you otherwise wouldn't do, then arrests you for it.
Imagine an undercover cop saying "Hey, steal that car, we won't arrest you for it, it's for a case" and you're very reluctant, maybe you even protest it a bit, but you do it anyways because you're afraid the cop will find something to get you on, or fuck your day up somehow, and then they arrest you for it, that's entrapment. If you hadn't have been told to steal that car, you wouldn't have done it. Entrapment.
Saying "I'm a 13 year old girl, come fuck me big sexy man" and then you willingly believe that and pursue that isn't entrapment because you weren't goaded into doing it, you made the choice to go and rape who you thought was an underage girl all on your own. You were offered sex with a child, and you willingly took it. The child just wasn't actually a child. Not entrapment, as you weren't goaded or coerced into doing it, it was all your decision.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47519449]Saying "I'm a 13 year old girl, come fuck me big sexy man" and then you willingly believe that and pursue that isn't entrapment because you weren't goaded into doing it, you made the choice to go and rape who you thought was an underage girl all on your own. You were offered sex with a child, and you willingly took it. The child just wasn't actually a child. Not entrapment, as you weren't goaded or coerced into doing it, it was all your decision.[/QUOTE]
That's not the point. The point is that it's not justice to film it exploit it for entertainment on national television.
[QUOTE=Deng;47519503]That's not the point. The point is that it's not justice to film it exploit it for entertainment on national television.[/QUOTE]
Justice? I agree it's not, but damn if it isn't satisfying to see the kind of sicko who wants to fuck a kid get nabbed. :v:
[QUOTE=TestECull;47519329]
No, it doesn't. You are aware that the majority of street criminals are from that segment of society, right? The show just shows cops doing what cops do, and most of the calls cops make that aren't car crashes tend to be petty crime just like what's shown on COPS. Poverty tends to breed crime, and where crime is high property values plummet, so it's no big surprise that most of the crime in the country happens in the poorest neighborhoods. If you're going to make a reality show that records police officers doing their job, hey guess what? [i]The majority of their material is gonna come from the crime ridden poor neighborhoods![/i] If that's where most of the crime is that's where most of the crime show material is. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.
If you want COPS to feature more suburbanites you're gonna have to convince suburbanites to commit more crime.[/quote]
did you even read my post? i have no idea why you're arguing that there's more crime in poorer areas. no shit
[quote]This 'argument'...it's so terrible I hesitate to even call it one but I'll humor ya...would apply to every fictional cop movie and TV show and novel and video game ever made. And, indeed, every spaghetti western ever made, every mystery novel ever written, most videogames with a plot....a rather startling amount of media revolves around this exact concept.
It's no different with COPS. You think it is because it shows actual criminals, but it doesn't. If you want to argue against COPS using this argument you might as well argue against every crime drama and mystery and action flick ever penned with it as well. It's the same concept.[/quote]
you might as well do this and that for the other thing too
you might as well keep running down that slippery slope til you find an actual reasonable argument
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Not reaally. I don't need a show like COPS for that, I already live in a safe environment. No, shows like COPS are a window into the parts of town I don't personally visit, the parts of town that aren't safe.[/quote]
that's exactly what i already said
[quote]It shows what sort of bullshit police officers have to put up with every time they clock in, the reality of the gang problem and what the war of drugs is doing to society, and it also shows what [i]real[/i] policework looks like. Because, well, it's filming real cops busting real criminals in the real world. It is the nitty gritty of policing, the yin to Stallone's hurrdurrexplodeallthethings action movie yang.[/quote]
do you genuinely believe that people who produce/watch COPS do it because they're fascinated by the nitty gritty of real policework? "real policework" is standing around subway stations, writing tickets, and filling out paperwork. it's a cheap thrill at the very best, nothing more
[quote]I have no idea why you're white knighting the common criminals busted on COPS so hard. Are you secretly one of them or something?[/QUOTE]
"are you defending criminals? what, are YOU a criminal?"
no. are you retarded?
then again, the main demographic of FP is the target demographic of COPS so i'm not sure why i even bothered
I can't find the kickstarter anywhere, not even on kickstarter.
[QUOTE=Ylsid;47519553]I can't find the kickstarter anywhere, not even on kickstarter.[/QUOTE]
It's not created yet. [url]https://twitter.com/hansenvpredator[/url]
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47519449]Saying "I'm a 13 year old girl, come fuck me big sexy man" and then you willingly believe that and pursue that isn't entrapment because you weren't goaded into doing it, you made the choice to go and rape who you thought was an underage girl all on your own. [/QUOTE]Just wanted to clarify here, they don't even go that far. Just for example: [url]http://www.perverted-justice.com/?archive=fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe[/url]
They basically just ask questions and agree to everything they say.
ex:
[quote]fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (1:55:54 PM): Do you understand what you will do for me?
sadlilgrrl (1:56:03 PM): i'll do what you tell me to do.
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (1:56:15 PM): Anything I tell you?
sadlilgrrl (1:56:28 PM): yes
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (1:56:38 PM): You do know I am looking for a sex-slave, right?
sadlilgrrl (1:56:48 PM): yes
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (1:56:57 PM): Do you want to be that sex-slave?
sadlilgrrl (1:57:08 PM): yes[/quote]
I never got one thing, aren't the decoys actually over 18? So, did they even commit crimes on paper? Granted, these people wouldve met up with actual minors, so it's good that they get caught, but I always found it odd.
[video=youtube;SDqZc6rY6Is]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDqZc6rY6Is[/video]
[QUOTE=ZuXer;47519600]I never got one thing, aren't the decoys actually over 18? So, did they even commit crimes on paper? Granted, these people wouldve met up with actual minors, so it's good that they get caught, but I always found it odd.[/QUOTE]
The actors are 18+ and the predators are charged with intent to conduct lewd acts on a minor.
[url]http://www.shouselaw.com/lewd-conduct-minor.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Jund;47519539]did you even read my post?[/quote] I did.
[quote] i have no idea why you're arguing that there's more crime in poorer areas. no shit[/quote] Your post heavily implied you had no idea.
[quote]do you genuinely believe that people who produce/watch COPS do it because they're fascinated by the nitty gritty of real policework?[/quote]
Iono. I'm not other people. I'm me. I told you why I watch it.
[quote]no. are you retarded?[/quote] No, but I'm also not so immature I throw labels like that around.
[quote]then again, the main demographic of FP is the target demographic of COPS so i'm not sure why i even bothered[/QUOTE]
Insulting the entire forum, eh? Yeah that's a great way to convince anyone on this forum of your point. Good job.
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