Chris Hansen is reviving To Catch A Predator on Kickstarter
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[QUOTE=GeeOhDee;47522104]Like I said, it's still wrong, no matter the date or whether or not it is accepted or understood by people. These are human rights that we all have. Just because they may be violated, doesn't mean you don't have them.
I never mentioned anything about your opinion on what is right or wrong, I was talking about what IS right and wrong, and deliberately causing harm to another being for your selfish pleasure is wrong. That is truth, whether you agree with it or not.[/QUOTE]
lmao dude you're still going on about there being objective morals
there are [b]NO[/b] objective morals
[QUOTE=cyanidem;47517841]It's still fucked up even if they are complete scum. It should be a police matter, not some cheesy entertainment show to grab ratings and dollars.
Isn't the end goal of jail time to rehabilitate criminals back into productive members of society? Isn't this whole show format just exploiting the whole situation and hindering this process?[/QUOTE]
dude shes 12....
[QUOTE=cyanidem;47517632]The whole paedo baiting and shaming as a form of national entertainment... how is it even legal?
Didn't one of them kill himself because of it last time?
Edit: btw, no shit, of course I'm not sympathising with them... Read later post[/QUOTE]
the dude was also a district attorney. Good riddance.
[QUOTE=geel9;47523487]lmao dude you're still going on about there being objective morals
there are [b]NO[/b] objective morals[/QUOTE]
I never even brought up morals, I never even said the word morals. You're the one who brought it up.
[QUOTE=GeeOhDee;47523603]I never even brought up morals, I never even said the word morals. You're the one who brought it up.[/QUOTE]
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don't get me wrong, child predators are fucking cunts and that's an understatement -- according to my own morals.
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don't get me wrong, child predators are fucking cunts and that's an understatement -- according to my own morals.[/QUOTE]
Wrong doesn't just have one definition, even you know this, you just used it, unless you meant "don't get me immoral"
[QUOTE=GeeOhDee;47523642]Wrong doesn't just have one definition, even you know this, you just used it, unless you meant "don't get me immoral"[/QUOTE]
Okay, how is it wrong then?
[QUOTE=geel9;47523673]Okay, how is it wrong then?[/QUOTE]
Well for one, it violates the persons rights and freedoms.
"When we did it before, there were chat rooms on AOL and Yahoo. Now there are 22 ways to communicate online.”
what? 22 ways?
[QUOTE=norrig;47525032]"When we did it before, there were chat rooms on AOL and Yahoo. Now there are 22 ways to communicate online.”
what? 22 ways?[/QUOTE]
Yep!
SMS Text Messaging, AOL, Yahoo, Netflix, YouTube, MSN Messenger, Skype, Game Services, Tweets, Snapchats, Kik-Yaks, Facebook, Facebook Messenger, Facebook Photos, Facebook Pokes, MySpace, LiveJournal, Torrents, Webcams, VOIP, Orkut, and iMessage!
[QUOTE=GeeOhDee;47523680]Well for one, it violates the persons rights and freedoms.[/QUOTE]
As defined by a group of people. Also, why should I care?
[QUOTE=GeeOhDee;47523603]I never even brought up morals, I never even said the word morals. You're the one who brought it up.[/QUOTE]
You did bring up a point about right and wrong though, which is the essence of morality. There is simply no such thing as an objective right or wrong, morality is subjective.
Holy shit that guy popping out in OP's post scared the shit out of me!
[QUOTE=Cone;47518241]dudes who wanna fuck kids should go get help instead of saying "hey at least i'm not [I]actually[/I] raping anyone!" it's not a completely incorrect statement but it's the wrong attitude to have. don't settle for self-loathing and apathy as everyone who defends paedophiles seems to want, tackle it with professional help and learn to live with yourself instead of falling into extremes of self-hate or vileness.[/QUOTE]
though i agree, it doesnt really work like that. it may just be confirmation bias, but it seems like getting help doesnt exactly work for these people because their psychiatrists/therapists turn them in for having those urges. its kind of a witch-hunty thing, and that kind of danger discourages people who need the help from getting said help.
[QUOTE=geel9;47526617]As defined by a group of people. Also, why should I care?[/QUOTE]
There are certain rights that we are all born with, that are not given to us by any person or law, and cannot be taken away. No one ever gave you these rights. They can only remind you that you have them.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;47517347]they should make a show about chris hansen hunting down illegal immigrants and call it aliens vs. hansen[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;jBX_TimhwoY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBX_TimhwoY[/video]
What's sad is it's very easy to label someone as a pedophile. Even if it isn't true the label sticks forever. I'm now known as one. I can't find a job and I get dirty looks when I go places. I might as well sign up as a sex offender.
Such is life.
On topic, I do miss watching the show.
[QUOTE=Vipes;47538142]What's sad is it's very easy to label someone as a pedophile. Even if it isn't true the label sticks forever. I'm now known as one. I can't find a job and I get dirty looks when I go places. I might as well sign up as a sex offender.
Such is life.
On topic, I do miss watching the show.[/QUOTE]
What on earth happened?
I remember a ranger in one of my father's previous parks had this label because he was taking a piss in the woods and some kid came up out of nowhere, saw him, told his mom, and he was written down as "exposing himself to a child", which translated to everyone else as "pedophile".
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47519858]How could it possibly make you feel sorry for them? [I]They went after young girls with the intent to rape them.[/I][/QUOTE]
This knee jerking and emotive view allows witch hunting and hysteria
Politicians then prey on this hystriera and use it to whip people like you and me into a frenzy.
When frenzy is at full pitch, then they begin passing laws (or log rolling admndments to said laws) under the buzz word (in this case sex offender)
that have nothing to do with said crime in gain more power. Say something against a person in office about being cozy with the mob? Well you just violated the Prevent Kiddy Diddling Act Of 1993.
Litter on the ground? Well you just violated the Kill All Child Molestors Act of 2007.
I am making these up and being a surd, but I am certain this is happening g to one degree or another in the US.
Let's not forgot (especially in America) if you not gold man Sachs rich or one the political aristocrats, you live in a nation that deems it profitable to incarcerate you and will find any exscuse they can to put you into orange jumpers.
The prison industrial complex is a real theat and every one from the local prosecutor, the lawyer reprsenting you, the private company who makes and delivers the soup to the facility stands to gain from your social demise.
What happens when you imcacerate someone? They go to school on how become a better criminal. Yep, all the name of making oneself feel better, you created a better predator.
Dunno if this has been brought up yet, but here's a reminder that [b]all 23 people[/b] caught on Dateline [b]got off scott-free[/b] because of the shitty practices messing up police work. Then, Dateline ended up with a guy committing suicide. Chris Hansen had direct influence in both the interference of police work and the situation that led to the man's suicide. That's why the show isn't on the air anymore and should stay that way.
[video=youtube;tOgsPglrFdc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOgsPglrFdc[/video]
[video=youtube;ET43wwyqteM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET43wwyqteM[/video]
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;47540160]What on earth happened?[/QUOTE]
[url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1443929]"For the lolz"[/url] happened. Pretty much some people bribed kids in my area to come out and say I was a pedophile. They got new consoles and games in return.
[QUOTE=Vipes;47541147][url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1443929]"For the lolz"[/url] happened. Pretty much some people bribed kids in my area to come out and say I was a pedophile. They got new consoles and games in return.[/QUOTE]
Even the worst websites seem to have some redeeming qualities but 8chan manages to have absolutely zero
The video posted was from 2007, and I know they arrested waaaaay more than 23 people. I watched the show every week, they didn't just go to murphy, they had other places set up. I get 23 got off, but how many hundreds did they catch because of the show?
And why am I supposed to care if some pedo took the cowards way out?
Fuck him. I say good on Chris Hansen. I'm all for supporting this coming back.
[QUOTE=geel9;47523487]lmao dude you're still going on about there being objective morals
there are [b]NO[/b] objective morals[/QUOTE]
While there are no objective morals as people think certain things are okay in certain places (or times) while it's completely immoral in other places, there are things that harm people regardless of the people's opinion about it. Child rape is one of those things.
[QUOTE=Clavin;47543627]The video posted was from 2007, and I know they arrested waaaaay more than 23 people. I watched the show every week, they didn't just go to murphy, they had other places set up. I get 23 got off, but how many hundreds did they catch because of the show?
And why am I supposed to care if some pedo took the cowards way out?
Fuck him. I say good on Chris Hansen. I'm all for supporting this coming back.[/QUOTE]
I'd rather the police did this on their own without a TV show muddying the water.
Dateline NBC did nothing but damage police work. It's a complete mockery of the justice system.
[QUOTE=Clavin;47543627]The video posted was from 2007, and I know they arrested waaaaay more than 23 people. I watched the show every week, they didn't just go to murphy, they had other places set up. I get 23 got off, but how many hundreds did they catch because of the show?
And why am I supposed to care if some pedo took the cowards way out?
Fuck him. I say good on Chris Hansen. I'm all for supporting this coming back.[/QUOTE]
You realize that police will do this shit on their own, right? Not only that, but they'll do it properly and actually get the people convicted.
Dateline TCAP ended in 2007, so I don't know why you're complaining about the video post date. They did "catch" more than 23 people, but law enforcement only became involved during the third installment. Nobody that TCAP caught ever faced punishment by the law.
I find it funny the same people who cry about police brutality and say the police can't do their job are the same people who want to cause a fuss over Chris Hansen "interfering" with police work and how the police are perfectly fine at what they do
Because Dateline interfering with police makes the police do an even better job and not get 23 pedos off scott-free, right?
[QUOTE=GeeOhDee;47530253]There are certain rights that we are all born with, that are not given to us by any person or law, and cannot be taken away. No one ever gave you these rights. They can only remind you that you have them.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you that human rights are a thing and that they need to stay a thing, but you have to understand that the Declaration of Human Rights was written by a specific group of people at a specific time in a specific place.
There are people in the world who disagree with the idea that everyone has a right to education, for example, and because there's nothing in the fundamental nature of the universe that supports either opinion, neither can be [I]objective[/I].
An atom of hydrogen is [I]objectively [/I]lighter than an atom of oxygen. That's just how the universe works, it's provable, and no one would disagree.
Morality and rights just don't work the same way. If I sit here and advocate the holocaust, I'm only wrong in the [I]subjective [/I]theatre of this forum, which (hopefully) agree unanimously that the holocaust was wrong, and that I'm wrong. Even the idea of "Killing people is bad" doesn't qualify as objective truth (despite definitely being the majority opinion) because some people disagree; look at ISIS or Boko Haram.
[QUOTE=Clavin;47553826]I find it funny the same people who cry about police brutality and say the police can't do their job are the same people who want to cause a fuss over Chris Hansen "interfering" with police work and how the police are perfectly fine at what they do[/QUOTE]
The cops can trip up over their own feet just fine enough on their own. We don't need some clown interfering and making matters even worse.
[QUOTE=Clavin;47543627]The video posted was from 2007, and I know they arrested waaaaay more than 23 people. I watched the show every week, they didn't just go to murphy, they had other places set up. I get 23 got off, but how many hundreds did they catch because of the show?
And why am I supposed to care if some pedo took the cowards way out?
Fuck him. I say good on Chris Hansen. I'm all for supporting this coming back.[/QUOTE]
That's 23 cases too many that got fucked over for entertainment purposes.
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