• Texas judge William Adams under investigation after video aparently shows him beating disabled daugh
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[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;33098832]she downloaded music[/QUOTE] She needs to be sentenced to death.
From her twitter: "Once he went off on me because I said he was a Dorian Gray to my friends. Any tiny little slander he would blow out of proportion. Welp..." Her father truly needs help.
Negative reinforcement is more effective then punishment.
[QUOTE=Bomber9900;33099051]Negative reinforcement is more effective then punishment.[/QUOTE] What's the difference I think you mean positive reinforcement
I've gotten a lot worse. . Still, physical and emotional abuse fucks you up.
Hell I was spanked once or twice as a child. The idea being that it was the most feared punishment possible. My parents didn't even hit me hard, again, it was the idea of being punished. So I suppose I'll I'm in favor of a spank or two while educating the child, but it's use should be so extremely limited. When I have children, spanking won't be off the table entirely, but it's use will have to be heavily weighed in with other options. Most of the time my parents would place me in a time out on the "black couch". We basically had this black couch in the corner of the computer room that was never used. Therefore it became the punishment area. Simple as that, go to the black couch and sit there for five minutes to think about the terrible things you've done. It was awful, those five minutes were agonizing. It worked really well, better than a full-on beating since it was absolutely terrible but without actually hurting me.
I was hit as a child by my father and I turned out fine. Normally my father would hit me three or four times with the belt on the legs/ass area if I didn't comply with him before he just gave up and said I was punished, and even then he only hit me physically when it was something pretty deserving (stealing, lying, etc). It worked though, that's the kicker. Eventually it got to the point where I would THINK about things logically before I said "hey maybe I should steal this other kids bike". As long as it's not overdone I think corporeal punishment is a great way to get very important messages across to your kid. If you don't want them to do something, give them a good hard whack and explain very clearly why, then have them repeat it back to you. Punishment must always be reinforced with logic, and never done in anger.
[QUOTE=Ryenoru;33099322]I was hit as a child by my father and I turned out fine. Normally my father would hit me three or four times with the belt on the legs/ass area if I didn't comply with him before he just gave up and said I was punished, and even then he only hit me physically when it was something pretty deserving (stealing, lying, etc). It worked though, that's the kicker. Eventually it got to the point where I would THINK about things logically before I said "hey maybe I should steal this other kids bike". As long as it's not overdone I think corporeal punishment is a great way to get very important messages across to your kid. If you don't want them to do something, give them a good hard whack and explain very clearly why, then have them repeat it back to you. Punishment must always be reinforced with logic, and never done in anger.[/QUOTE] Hitting might be justified for stealing, but LYING? Jesus, who hasn't told a white lie?
[QUOTE=Ryenoru;33099322]If you don't want them to do something, give them a good hard whack and explain very clearly why, then have them repeat it back to you. Punishment must always be reinforced with logic, and never done in anger.[/QUOTE] If you "explain very clearly why", and you're parenting correctly, the physical aspect won't be necessary.
[QUOTE=-Rusty-;33099220]I've gotten a lot worse.[/QUOTE] nobody cares, it's annoying when people constantly say this [editline]3rd November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Ryenoru;33099322]I was hit as a child by my father and I turned out fine. Normally my father would hit me three or four times with the belt on the legs/ass area if I didn't comply with him before he just gave up and said I was punished, and even then he only hit me physically when it was something pretty deserving (stealing, lying, etc). It worked though, that's the kicker. Eventually it got to the point where I would THINK about things logically before I said "hey maybe I should steal this other kids bike". As long as it's not overdone I think corporeal punishment is a great way to get very important messages across to your kid. If you don't want them to do something, give them a good hard whack and explain very clearly why, then have them repeat it back to you. Punishment must always be reinforced with logic, and never done in anger.[/QUOTE] yeah let's teach our children to punch people and explain why in a civilized world, there's no room for physical punishment on a child, no matter how much you justify it
[QUOTE=Ryenoru;33099322]I was hit as a child by my father and I turned out fine.[/QUOTE] This isn't a valid reason to justify/support hitting your child. Consider yourself lucky that supposedly you've had no negative effects as a result of being hit. [QUOTE=Ryenoru;33099322]As long as it's not overdone I think corporeal punishment is a great way to get very important messages across to your kid.[/QUOTE] And what do you base this on? There's a reason why psychologists do NOT support corporal punishment and that's because it's INEFFECTIVE and actually produces NEGATIVE consequences (aggression, violence, etc.).
[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;33099371]nobody cares, it's annoying when people constantly say this [/QUOTE] Maybe not. But I have, that doesn't mean I don't sympathize with her so fuck you.
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[QUOTE=Ryenoru;33099322]I was hit as a child by my father and I turned out fine. Normally my father would hit me three or four times with the belt on the legs/ass area if I didn't comply with him before he just gave up and said I was punished, and even then he only hit me physically when it was something pretty deserving (stealing, lying, etc). It worked though, that's the kicker. Eventually it got to the point where I would THINK about things logically before I said "hey maybe I should steal this other kids bike". As long as it's not overdone I think corporeal punishment is a great way to get very important messages across to your kid. If you don't want them to do something, give them a good hard whack and explain very clearly why, then have them repeat it back to you. Punishment must always be reinforced with logic, and never done in anger.[/QUOTE] pretty sure making your children hate and fear you isn't a good way to build a strong relationship
[QUOTE=Ryenoru;33099322]I was hit as a child by my father and I turned out fine. Normally my father would hit me three or four times with the belt on the legs/ass area if I didn't comply with him before he just gave up and said I was punished, and even then he only hit me physically when it was something pretty deserving (stealing, lying, etc). It worked though, that's the kicker. Eventually it got to the point where I would THINK about things logically before I said "hey maybe I should steal this other kids bike". As long as it's not overdone I think corporeal punishment is a great way to get very important messages across to your kid. If you don't want them to do something, give them a good hard whack and explain very clearly why, then have them repeat it back to you. Punishment must always be reinforced with logic, and never done in anger.[/QUOTE] Anecdotes =/= evidence that corporal punishment is effective.
[QUOTE=-Rusty-;33099220]I've gotten a lot worse.[/QUOTE] My mother turned me into a newt!
[QUOTE=Habsburg;33099561]My mother turned me into a newt![/QUOTE] My dad would kill us to sleep every night. And we lived in a wet newspaper.
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;33099348]Hitting might be justified for stealing, but LYING? Jesus, who hasn't told a white lie?[/QUOTE] I've never lied in my entire life!!! [sp]/Lying out of the ass[/sp]
[QUOTE=Zeke129;33099071]What's the difference I think you mean positive reinforcement[/QUOTE] negative reinforcement =\= punishment as positive reinforcement is the addition of something desired as a reward for a behavior, negative reinforcement is taking away something undesirable as a reward Either one's more effective than punishment because it teaches the correct behaviors
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[QUOTE=Zero-Point;33097408]Good. Watching that video, I have never been so god-damn mad at a human being before. Nice to see that SOMETHING is being done about it.[/QUOTE] Makes you wish you could beat the shit out of them doesn't it? :v:
[QUOTE=Bones85;33099424]This isn't a valid reason to justify/support hitting your child. Consider yourself lucky that supposedly you've had no negative effects as a result of being hit. And what do you base this on? There's a reason why psychologists do NOT support corporal punishment and that's because it's INEFFECTIVE and actually produces NEGATIVE consequences (aggression, violence, etc.).[/QUOTE] Most people who have been spanked don't end up with any problems. Only a FEW people end up with issues. That is not a reason to tell people to not do something. There is nothing wrong with it if used correctly. The people that end up with issues are the ones who's drunken fathers beat them for no reason. These modern forms of punishing your children DO NOT WORK.
[QUOTE=Sgt.Sgt;33109703]Most people who have been spanked don't end up with any problems. Only a FEW people end up with issues. That is not a reason to tell people to not do something. There is nothing wrong with it if used correctly. The people that end up with issues are the ones who's drunken fathers beat them for no reason. These modern forms of punishing your children DO NOT WORK.[/QUOTE] Except where they do. Like most of the cases if applied properly.
So just saw ABC about to cover this. Good Job Facepunch
[QUOTE=Mr.Goodcat;33110342]So just saw ABC about to cover this. Good Job Facepunch[/QUOTE] 'Twas a combined effort of many popular message boards. Reddit, Facepunch, iHeartChaos, Fark probably helped, /b/ helped at some point, Youtube, liveleak, etc.
[QUOTE=Ryenoru;33099322]I was hit as a child by my father and I turned out fine. Normally my father would hit me three or four times with the belt on the legs/ass area if I didn't comply with him before he just gave up and said I was punished, and even then he only hit me physically when it was something pretty deserving (stealing, lying, etc). It worked though, that's the kicker. Eventually it got to the point where I would THINK about things logically before I said "hey maybe I should steal this other kids bike". As long as it's not overdone I think corporeal punishment is a great way to get very important messages across to your kid. If you don't want them to do something, give them a good hard whack and explain very clearly why, then have them repeat it back to you. Punishment must always be reinforced with logic, and never done in anger.[/QUOTE] Like someone said, your personal anecdote doesn't mean anything towards proving that physical discipline is effective. Also why would you want to teach your kids that the answer to every problem is physical violence, what kind of logic is that? [QUOTE=Sgt.Sgt;33109703]Most people who have been spanked don't end up with any problems. Only a FEW people end up with issues. That is not a reason to tell people to not do something. There is nothing wrong with it if used correctly. The people that end up with issues are the ones who's drunken fathers beat them for no reason. These modern forms of punishing your children DO NOT WORK.[/QUOTE] [quote]But in a new study published in Pediatrics, researchers at Tulane University provide the strongest evidence yet that children's short-term response to spanking may make them act out more in the long run. Of the nearly 2,500 youngsters in the study, those who were spanked more frequently at age 3 were much more likely to be aggressive by age 5. [/quote] [url]http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1983895,00.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Sgt.Sgt;33109703]Most people who have been spanked don't end up with any problems. Only a FEW people end up with issues. That is not a reason to tell people to not do something. There is nothing wrong with it if used correctly. The people that end up with issues are the ones who's drunken fathers beat them for no reason. These modern forms of punishing your children DO NOT WORK.[/QUOTE] my dad never beat the shit outta me but he certainly used physical punishment when i was a youngster, and even now (about 10-15 years later) i still have dreams about fighting him or killing him when you're a little kid any physical punishment seems over the top
[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;33105020]negative reinforcement =\= punishment as positive reinforcement is the addition of something desired as a reward for a behavior, negative reinforcement is taking away something undesirable as a reward Either one's more effective than punishment because it teaches the correct behaviors[/QUOTE] Ok you're right, I did some reading on reinforcement Never had heard the term "negative reinforcement" really used before the other day [editline]3rd November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lachz0r;33111323]my dad never beat the shit outta me but he certainly used physical punishment when i was a youngster, and even now (about 10-15 years later) i still have dreams about fighting him or killing him when you're a little kid any physical punishment seems over the top[/QUOTE] I got hit a few times but my parents preferred to use fear instead "if you don't cut it out we'll call child services and they'll take you away!!" good thing I was smart and able to know they were bluffing, if I wasn't that probably would have fucked me up
[QUOTE=KRIS FACEBOOK]District Attorney Patrick Flanagan says he has reviewed the evidence in the Judge Adams' beating video and has concluded he will not seek charges. Cites that too much time has passed since the video was made in 2004. Rockport PD will contact federal authorities about the case. - Ben Lloyd[/QUOTE] Wow fuck texas, they kill as many people as they possibly can even if the evidence is sketchy but won't process this asshole. Wow. EDIT: I think I am going to leave him a carefully worded message about how corrupt he and his judge are. [url]http://www.txdirectory.com/online/person/?id=11830&office=15437[/url]
[QUOTE=sami-elite;33108240]Makes you wish you could beat the shit out of them doesn't it? :v:[/QUOTE] I halfway wish aliens abducted and experimented on people like him. Alien 1: Isn't this a tad unethical what we're doing here?" Alien 2: Nah, it's okay, even by Human standards this guy's not human. Alien 1: Ahhhh, I love loop-holes.
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