Most Americans support Arizona Immigration Bill, further offshore drilling
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[QUOTE=BlueSaint;21934006]Yea guys by all means lets worsen our dependancy on other countries oils by not drilling here[/QUOTE]
Hey guys lets continue to use shitty oil and not research anything else.
[QUOTE=BlueSaint;21934006]then lets let a bunch of ILLEAGLE immigrants into our 10% unemployed country to work for a few dollars and undermine any LEAGLE citizen looking for work.
GREAT FUCKING IDEA![/QUOTE]
Hey guys if you don't support Arizona's law that means you automatically support people coming here illegally. I mean, ILLEAGLE.
[QUOTE=BlueSaint;21934037]Yea we also run the government and decide to impose shitty health care bills that cause pay cuts for the poor aka the ONLY ONES WHO'S JOBS USUALY DON'T OFFER HEALTHCARE! so by all means lets cut their pay more to give them health care![/QUOTE]
what are you talking about
I don't know but CAPS LOCK MAKES IT CONVINCING TO ME
[QUOTE=Mexican;21934011]You forgot lattes and Apple products.[/QUOTE]
Apple desktop computers are like laptops, they overheat fast, shitty CPU and everything elss, except they are not very portable like a laptop.
[QUOTE=BlueSaint;21934006]Yea guys by all means lets worsen our dependancy on other countries oils by not drilling here, then lets let a bunch of ILLEAGLE immigrants into our 10% unemployed country to work for a few dollars and undermine any LEAGLE citizen looking for work.
GREAT FUCKING IDEA![/QUOTE]
I agree with you, but please take the Es off the end of some of your words.
Thanks.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;21934396]I agree with you, but please take the Es off the end of some of your words.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
You have a problem with eagles? I thought you were a PATRIOT :911:
[QUOTE=TH89;21934412]You have a problem with eagles? I thought you were a PATRIOT :911:[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtMO-omeo5s&feature=related[/media]
Why does everyone oppose this bill so much? The only group of people it poses a problem for is illegal immigrants, if you are legal, and they DO happen to ask for proof of citizenship, you should be fine. And if you ARE illegal, you get busted.
I really don't see a problem here.
[QUOTE=Timebomb757;21934637]Why does everyone oppose this bill so much? The only group of people it poses a problem for is illegal immigrants, if you are legal, and they DO happen to ask for proof of citizenship, you should be fine. And if you ARE illegal, you get busted.
I really don't see a problem here.[/QUOTE]
If you're genuinely asking, here:
[quote=ACLU]Arizona's new racial profiling law is under attack from all sides. It's not just the ACLU (and Shakira) who oppose SB1070. Former Bush strategist Karl Rove and Sen. Lindsay Graham (R-S.C.) have both called the law "unconstitutional."[/quote]
[quote=Washington Legislative Office]By now, most everyone has heard about Arizona's new law requiring police to demand to see documentation from anyone they stop whom they suspect is in the country illegally. What this really means is that people in Arizona will be forced to "show their papers" simply for looking or sounding "foreign." These draconian police tactics are more than just offensive and discriminatory — they're unconstitutional. The law will result in harassment based on race, appearance, and language, carrying an echo of the Jim Crow South. America has fought too hard against racially divisive policies to allow this law to go forward.
The American Civil Liberties Union plans to challenge the constitutionality of the law in court, believing it is state-sanctioned racial profiling. The law will only make the rampant racial profiling of Latinos in Arizona worse than ever.
We are hardly the only group to raise concerns about the situation in Arizona — nor will we be the last. But in all the controversy and outrage over the political implications of this law, it's important to remember the human toll that it will have on real people every day who will be its victims.
The racial profiling sure to result from the Arizona law will mean that people — citizens and noncitizens alike — will be harassed and discriminated against as they simply try to live their lives and take care of their families. People will be wrongfully detained and deported. And as we have seen with other local law enforcement of immigration laws, once someone is caught up in the web of law enforcement, it's hard to find one's way out — even if someone is in the country legally. Families sometimes never find out what has become of their loved ones, and those who are detained often are quickly forced or pressured to leave the U.S. Whether they are 85 or 13, they can be jailed for days, weeks, months, sometimes years, put on a prison bus and dropped off across the border. This is not how we should treat human beings.
The Arizona law will also alienate law enforcement from the communities they serve, eroding the trust necessary for police to keep neighborhoods safe. It will discourage people from turning to the police when they need to, even to report crimes. It will undermine public safety by diverting scarce security resources away from legitimate law enforcement and focus them on false threats from people who look or sound "suspicious." It will lead to mass incarceration, racial profiling and deportations. The ACLU has heard too many stories of brown-skinned U.S. citizens and legal residents who have been locked up for months or illegally deported for no valid reason.[/quote]
[QUOTE=the_KMM;21926579]You have most obviously not read the OP.
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I can remember it as low as $1.26 when I was a small child.
Getting it down to ~$1.80 would be nice.[/QUOTE]
I remember christmas one year, $0.98/gal
even then that was stupidly low
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[QUOTE=SteveUK;21926679]25 MPG is terrible.[/QUOTE]
i get 35-45 in my Manual trans. '97 Hyundai Accent
92bhp :frogc00l:
Yeah, I actually just went and read all 19 pages of the bill (Pretty short for a bill), and its actually really stupid they way they put it.
[quote]
B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OF A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE WHERE [B]REASONABLE SUSPICION[/B] EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE, WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON[/quote]
That bold part there is what really screws it up and makes it unconstitutional. Law enforcement shouldn't be based on discretion unless there potentially is a direct threat to an officer or innocent life. This could have made much more sense and been far less retarded had they based it around EVIDENCE not SUSPICION.
Edit:
Though you have to admit TH89, that fourth paragraph of your last quote is alarmist as hell.
The Arizona Immigration bill would be alright if the police weren't forced to enforce it, and if they couldn't be sued if people thought they weren't enforcing it.
"I'm Mexican, you didn't pull me over. I'M SUEING YOU!"
[QUOTE=Mexican;21933741]There was a magical time called the 50s. America was the star quarterback. All the girls wanted him and all the other countries wanted to be him.
Now America is a wash-out living in an efficiency apartment in a constant drunken stupor.[/QUOTE]
If you could live anywhere on Earth based solely on the people who already live there, the legal system it has, and the stability of its economy, what would it be?
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[QUOTE=Lambeth;21933877]Saying any country is the best country in the world is extremely arrogant.[/QUOTE]
Or just exceptionalistic.
[QUOTE=the_KMM;21932720]Then explain to me how it became the best country on Earth.[/QUOTE]
the united states isn't the best country on earth.
It's pretty fucked up, with really high poverty rate compared to other industrialized countries, and a health care system that sucks.
[QUOTE=the_KMM;21925061]-There's a reason we call them ILLEGALS. How is it 'against the American way of immigration'?[/QUOTE]
If they came to America like the first of us did, they'd give us all blankets full of diseases and shoot us.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;21935034]If they came to America like the first of us did, they'd give us all blankets full of diseases and shoot us.[/QUOTE]
Too bad, there's laws that govern that now.
[QUOTE=the_KMM;21935061]Too bad, there's laws that govern that now.[/QUOTE]
Laws established by the people who came in and took it from the original inhabitants.
We took over this entire country by force and primitive biological warfare and we are acting like people who come over peacefully from their countries to chance to work in our nation, circumventing our RIDICULOUS naturalization process, are a legitimate threat.
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Your argument is seriously, "TOO BAD THEM NATIVE AMERICANS DIDN'T HAVE LAWS AGAINST IT"
[QUOTE=Timebomb757;21934927]That bold part there is what really screws it up and makes it unconstitutional. Law enforcement shouldn't be based on discretion unless there potentially is a direct threat to an officer or innocent life. This could have made much more sense and been far less retarded had they based it around EVIDENCE not SUSPICION.[/QUOTE]
Agreed.
[QUOTE=Timebomb757;21934927]Edit:
Though you have to admit TH89, that fourth paragraph of your last quote is alarmist as hell.[/QUOTE]
It's not just puff talk, it's based on real cases that her organization deals with. It's strongly worded, sure, but I don't think it's all that unreasonable.
[QUOTE=the_KMM;21926579]
I can remember it as low as $1.26 when I was a small child.
Getting it down to ~$1.80 would be nice.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation[/url]
please to meet you inflation
[QUOTE=thisispain;21935128][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation[/url]
please to meet you inflation[/QUOTE]
Is that another word for how liberals ruin the economy?
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;21935105]Laws established by the people who came in and took it from the original inhabitants.
We took over this entire country by force and primitive biological warfare and we are acting like people who come over peacefully from their countries to chance to work in our nation, circumventing our RIDICULOUS naturalization process, are a legitimate threat.
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Your argument is seriously, "TOO BAD THEM NATIVE AMERICANS DIDN'T HAVE LAWS AGAINST IT"[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure they also didn't have illegals sneaking in and taking jobs that an American citizen would otherwise do.
They also don't pay taxes, and a good deal of them are violent criminals.
[QUOTE=the_KMM;21935153]I'm pretty sure they also didn't have illegals sneaking in and taking jobs that an American citizen would otherwise do.[/QUOTE]
So you'd rather they killed us, spread disease among us, and marched us out of our land onto American reserves?
[QUOTE=the_KMM;21935153]I'm pretty sure they also didn't have illegals sneaking in and taking jobs that an American citizen would otherwise do.
[/QUOTE]
unless you are saying illegal immigrants were here first :confused:, then you'd know that illegal immigrants take jobs that no-one else wants to do
[QUOTE=the_KMM;21935153]I'm pretty sure they also didn't have illegals sneaking in and taking jobs that an American citizen would otherwise do.[/QUOTE]
They had people riding in on horses and killing them...
[QUOTE=the_KMM;21935153]They also don't pay taxes, and [b]a good deal of them are violent criminals.[/b][/QUOTE]
Source?
[QUOTE=thisispain;21935183]unless you are saying illegal immigrants were here first :confused:, then you'd know that illegal immigrants take jobs that no-one else wants to do[/QUOTE]
pretty much
And there's no such thing as an illegal "stealing our jobs." They are willing to work for less, they are more likely to get hired. You can work for as little as they do. You don't want to so you don't, but they can tough it out, and so you complain.
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It's like saying that a firm in a market that is willing to lower its prices is stealing other firms' demand.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;21935179]So you'd rather they killed us, spread disease among us, and marched us out of our land onto American reserves?[/QUOTE]
How did you even get that out of what I said?
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[QUOTE=thisispain;21935183]unless you are saying illegal immigrants were here first :confused:, then you'd know that illegal immigrants take jobs that no-one else wants to do[/QUOTE]
No. Americans will take any jobs available. What you're saying is just another form of slavery.
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