• Most Americans support Arizona Immigration Bill, further offshore drilling
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[QUOTE=yawmwen;21936421]That's incredibly ignorant. You actually cannot legally work for the wages that an illegal immigrant works for. There are human rights laws in place that prevent that. Bullshit too. What jobs are really big for illegal immigrants? Farming, which is something many people do and want to do. Landscaping, which although a pretty shitty job, a lot of people want now that the economy is bad. There is also construction, which is a very popular job for both illegal immigrants and natural born citizens. If an illegal immigrant comes in and works for slave wages then yes, he just stole a job.[/QUOTE] Everything you said here is correct. How did I get Yamwen on my side here? [editline]09:24PM[/editline] [QUOTE=hypno-toad;21937027]Judging by the_KMM's other arguments, I don't really share any views in common with him. I'd put my money on his problems with immigrants being based on bigotry, not any logical reasons in particular.[/QUOTE] Woah. I never knew I hated minorities. Thank you for informing me. [editline]09:27PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Karbinev2;21951246]it isn't, people just advertise the bill wrongly, therefore barely anyone actually reads the bill, they are just forced to believe OMG RASSIST[/QUOTE] I know. I was asking why anyone could see either of those as wrong.
[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;21950831]yeah but you're 12 so your opinion doesn't count[/QUOTE] Err it may not matter to you but it may matter to some. :I
[QUOTE=Karbinev2;21951246]people just advertise the bill wrongly[/QUOTE] Fox News also advertises it wrong. In the end, it isn't OMG SUPER RACIST and it isn't TOTALLY JUSTIFIED. But one can prove it just doesn't work, is unnecessary, and is probably unconstitutional.
[QUOTE=thisispain;21951260]what a fantastic argument you know i don't remember why anyone takes you seriously anymore[/QUOTE] maybe because i've shot down everyones arguments against the bill
Well in case anyone is actually going to listen to someone besides the big biased tards that dominate the news here is a PDF of the actual bill. Read it for yourself. Make your judgments then. Don't rely on media to show you a level picture of what is going on. They won't they never have and never will. [url]http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf[/url] By the way I cannot confirm this but from what I have heard, these laws have been on the books. They were just moved to allow local jurisdictions to enforce them. Also oil drilling won't help but it won't hurt. 1 accident and we're supposed to stop drilling. Well then explain why there are nuclear power plants still active and some due for construction? Chernobyl and 3 mile island haven't stopped us in that area...
[QUOTE=Mexican;21952551]Fox News also advertises it wrong. In the end, it isn't OMG SUPER RACIST and it isn't TOTALLY JUSTIFIED. But one can prove it just doesn't work, is unnecessary, and is probably unconstitutional.[/QUOTE] everyone doesn't spin it accurately. the solution? read it yourself. the bill isn't perfect, but we're yet to see a better solution. [editline]04:17AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Sgt.Sgt;21953034]Well in case anyone is actually going to listen to someone besides the big biased tards that dominate the news here is a PDF of the actual bill. Read it for yourself. Make your judgments then. Don't rely on media to show you a level picture of what is going on. They won't they never have and never will. [URL]http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf[/URL] By the way I cannot confirm this but from what I have heard, these laws have been on the books. They were just moved to allow local jurisdictions to enforce them. Also oil drilling won't help but it won't hurt. 1 accident and we're supposed to stop drilling. Well then explain why there are nuclear power plants still active and some due for construction? Chernobyl and 3 mile island haven't stopped us in that area...[/QUOTE] thank you.
[QUOTE=Karbinev2;21953085]everyone doesn't spin it accurately. the solution? read it yourself. the bill isn't perfect, but we're yet to see a better solution.[/QUOTE] The system we already have is fine for catching illegal immigrants. The problem is they keep coming in. The focus needs to be on keeping them out in the first place not playing this back and forth bullshit. Oh hey look at that I care about the problem more than you do. [QUOTE=Sgt.Sgt;21953034]Also oil drilling won't help but it won't hurt. 1 accident and we're supposed to stop drilling. Well then explain why there are nuclear power plants still active and some due for construction? Chernobyl and 3 mile island haven't stopped us in that area...[/QUOTE] The oil companies came out all like "NO WAY GUYS THIS SHIT IS SAFE" and we were like "k" and then bam. The difference is nuclear power is so heavily regulated up the ass, and that nuclear power helps us break our oil dependency instead of snorting up every last bit like a bunch of coke fiends.
[QUOTE=Karbinev2;21952998]maybe because i've shot down everyones arguments against the bill[/QUOTE] you didn't do shit [editline]09:03PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Sgt.Sgt;21953034]Well in case anyone is actually going to listen to someone besides the big biased tards that dominate the news here is a PDF of the actual bill. Read it for yourself. Make your judgments then. Don't rely on media to show you a level picture of what is going on. They won't they never have and never will.[/QUOTE] I did. and so what's your point?
[QUOTE=Karbinev2;21952998]maybe because i've shot down everyones arguments against the bill[/QUOTE] the only thing you've shot down is your credibility.
seriously what is this "if you don't support this bill you want illegal immigrants" attitude
[QUOTE=Mexican;21953609]The system we already have is fine for catching illegal immigrants. The problem is they keep coming in. The focus needs to be on keeping them out in the first place not playing this back and forth bullshit. Oh hey look at that I care about the problem more than you do. The oil companies came out all like "NO WAY GUYS THIS SHIT IS SAFE" and we were like "k" and then bam. The difference is nuclear power is so heavily regulated up the ass, and that nuclear power helps us break our oil dependency instead of snorting up every last bit like a bunch of coke fiends.[/QUOTE] Oil drilling is generally safe. Accidents happen. A lot of safety measures come from accidents nobody predicted. But unfortunately oil is the life blood of our society, not just fuel but in products we use everyday. Yes we need to break out dependence on oil but cutting back isn't the answer. At least right now.
[QUOTE=Sgt.Sgt;21954250]Oil drilling is generally safe. Accidents happen. A lot of safety measures come from accidents nobody predicted. But unfortunately oil is the life blood of our society, not just fuel but in products we use everyday. Yes we need to break out dependence on oil but cutting back isn't the answer. At least right now.[/QUOTE] The thing is it's not cutting back, it's just not progressing as much. In the end, all that oil would equate a couple of cents off. And really, think about how much oil we [I]wasted[/I] now by being too hasty and not well regulated enough. There should have been a remote shut off, and the technology does exist.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21954368]The thing is it's not cutting back, it's just not progressing as much. In the end, all that oil would equate a couple of cents off. And really, think about how much oil we [I]wasted[/I] now by being too hasty and not well regulated enough. There should have been a remote shut off, and the technology does exist.[/QUOTE] But unfortunately, there is no regulatory law that forces them to use the shut off switch. So my two cents is to regulate Big Oil as much as Nuclear Power. Stuff might get done correctly. ---- I'm not even going to bother posting my opinion on the immigration debate, to... many... trolls.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21954368]The system we already have is fine for catching illegal immigrants. The problem is they keep coming in. The focus needs to be on keeping them out in the first place not playing this back and forth bullshit.[/QUOTE] There are over ten million illegal immigrants in the US right now, at minimum. The current system is not working. [QUOTE]The problem is they keep coming in. The focus needs to be on keeping them out in the first place not playing this back and forth bullshit.[/QUOTE] Hardly any are entering right now due to the pathetic economy. And yes, oil SHOULD be regulated like nuclear power. Unfortunately that's not just a U.S. effort, but a global one, so the chances of that happening are slim to none.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;21951118] Also, like I said, house slaves and servants were often accepted as part of the family. Women would confide in their servants.[/QUOTE] You're welcome to be accepted as part of my family if you want, I got all sorts of shit that needs painting and whatnot. I probably won't rape you either
[QUOTE=thisispain;21953939]you didn't do shit [editline]09:03PM[/editline] I did. and so what's your point?[/QUOTE] Most people didn't. So elaborate. From reading the actual bill by your posts you just see it as a shitty bill that won't do much? Am I correct? The point is yeah it's not the best bill but it's some reform on the problem. Nothing in the bill itself is racist. Nothing in the bill is unconstitutional. The bill is more or less targeting criminals and people pulled over for traffic violations(in which case they need identification which they run on their computers no matter what race or background).
[QUOTE=Mexican;21953609]The system we already have is fine for catching illegal immigrants. The problem is they keep coming in. The focus needs to be on keeping them out in the first place not playing this back and forth bullshit. Oh hey look at that I care about the problem more than you do. The oil companies came out all like "NO WAY GUYS THIS SHIT IS SAFE" and we were like "k" and then bam. The difference is nuclear power is so heavily regulated up the ass, and that nuclear power helps us break our oil dependency instead of snorting up every last bit like a bunch of coke fiends.[/QUOTE] the system is not working. the bill reinforces already federal law. people don't get this.
[QUOTE=Karbinev2;21955217]the system is not working. the bill reinforces already federal law. people don't get this.[/QUOTE] Then it brought attention to a moronic law. [QUOTE=Morcam;21954904]There are over ten million illegal immigrants in the US right now, at minimum. The current system is not working.[/QUOTE] Only because they come in faster than we can kick them out. You don't treat the symptoms with all your might, you try to cure the disease. And it would be so easy to if someone in the federal government would just give a damn. Hopefully this mess will at least help that.
I think it's pretty odd that people want stricter regulation. One of the reasons America made it so well as a country is because of it's liberal immigration laws.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21955277]Then it brought attention to a moronic law. Only because they come in faster than we can kick them out. You don't treat the symptoms with all your might, you try to cure the disease. And it would be so easy to if someone in the federal government would just give a damn. Hopefully this mess will at least help that.[/QUOTE] propose some better solutions, and don't try the "fix mexico" bullshit.
If you look at mexico, they have much stricter laws for immigration. Look what that's done for them.
[QUOTE=Mexican;21955277] Only because they come in faster than we can kick them out. You don't treat the symptoms with all your might, you try to cure the disease. And it would be so easy to if someone in the federal government would just give a damn. Hopefully this mess will at least help that.[/QUOTE] Like I pointed out in the second line of my post, the entries have stalled due to the economic situation. That doesn't mean there aren't ten million still in the country. Vaccines don't cure diseases after symptoms set in.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;21955350]If you look at mexico, they have much stricter laws for immigration. Look what that's done for them.[/QUOTE] Mexico is also a shithole and nobody wants to immigrate there.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21955614]Mexico is also a shithole and nobody wants to immigrate there.[/QUOTE] That's why Mexicans come here, yeah.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21955614]Mexico is also a shithole and nobody wants to immigrate there.[/QUOTE] not true, many people from America escape to there
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21955614]Mexico is also a shithole and nobody wants to immigrate there.[/QUOTE] It wasn't always like that though.
[QUOTE=Xystus234;21950429][IMG]http://www.immigrationtourism.com/images/Illegal-immigration-bg.jpg[/IMG] That is all.[/QUOTE] Note the Mexican Flag in the Bottom Right of that picture. Seriously, they need to stop bringing fucking Mexican flags to these demonstrations, it doesn't help their cause at all and the fucking Mexican-American Community Leaders have said to cut that shit out since it makes it look like they are one of those Aztlans faggots. [editline]03:49AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Olinaj;21946695]pulling you over on your way to work or possibly getting you fired because he had to see your papers (and you though that that was offensive enough)[/QUOTE] First off, you got pulled over, that means you are operating a motor vehicle on public roads, you are required to have a Drivers License to legally operate a motor vehicle on public roads, in order to have a Drivers License in Arizona, you have to prove you are a legal resident before they issue you one. Are you implying a Drivers License equals the same papers the Nazis forced Jews to keep on them? So simply because I have brown skin I can go around driving without a license because if the police pull me over, they obviously are racist pigs so I don't have to have to show them anything, Right? Secondly, if you are a Green Card Holder, you are legally required by FEDERAL LAW to have your Green Card on you at all times, is the Federal Green Card Requirements Racist and invokes images of Nazi Germany? No they don't, so stop playing the whole Nazi 'HURR SHOW ME UR PAPERS' card and the Race Card, it's getting annoying as Israel playing the Holocaust Card to justify walling Palestinians in like the Nazis did to the Jews in Warsaw. [QUOTE=Olinaj;21946695]This kind of law is just encouraging racism.[/QUOTE] All you are doing it playing into Media Scaremongering over a 10 page bill that simply allows Police to enforce Federal law on the State Level, they even amended the bill due to the Hysteria to ensure it would not be possible for some Racist police officer to go around asking every brown person for ID so he could simply lock them up. Meanwhile, you will bring news stories with the headlines ARIZONA POLICE LOCK UP AND DEPORT MEXICAN UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS WITH NEW LAW as some proof the law is Racist, well who the fuck do you expect them to be Locking Up? there are between 5 to 12 million Mexican Nationals who have entered this country illegally, Arizona Borders Mexico, so you are just being fucking naive to think this law is racist simply because the majority of the people being arrested and deported up are Mexicans, because going by facts, they make up the large majority of the Illegal Aliens here so what do you expect the Police to do? Avoid deporting Mexicans to keep from looking racist? You're almost as bad as the idiots who think Marijuana is as bad as Meth simply because of the War On Drugs, media scaremongering, and government propaganda.
[QUOTE=the_KMM;21924713] and 53 percent believe that offshore drilling’s potential economic benefits outweigh its potential harm to the environment[/QUOTE] Yeah, everything that's wrong with the world. No, I'm not some hippy douche.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;21957105]First off, you got pulled over, that means you are operating a motor vehicle on public roads, you are required to have a Drivers License to legally operate a motor vehicle on public roads, in order to have a Drivers License in Arizona, you have to prove you are a legal resident before they issue you one. Are you implying a Drivers License equals the same papers the Nazis forced Jews to keep on them? So simply because I have brown skin I can go around driving without a license because if the police pull me over, they obviously are racist pigs so I don't have to have to show them anything, Right? Secondly, if you are a Green Card Holder, you are legally required by FEDERAL LAW to have your Green Card on you at all times, is the Federal Green Card Requirements Racist and invokes images of Nazi Germany? No they don't, so stop playing the whole Nazi 'HURR SHOW ME UR PAPERS' card and the Race Card, it's getting annoying as Israel playing the Holocaust Card to justify walling Palestinians in like the Nazis did to the Jews in Warsaw.[/QUOTE] You know them libs love using Godwin's Law.
[QUOTE=Karbinev2;21955339]propose some better solutions, and don't try the "fix mexico" bullshit.[/QUOTE] Remove their incentives to come (such as natural born citizen), punish people who hire them, start harsher punishment on repeat offenders, and all around make it easier to immigrate legally. [QUOTE=Morcam;21955601]Like I pointed out in the second line of my post, the entries have stalled due to the economic situation. That doesn't mean there aren't ten million still in the country. Vaccines don't cure diseases after symptoms set in.[/QUOTE] Are we seriously going to sacrifice our civil liberties in order to get them out faster? The obvious ones constantly get kicked out. The large number that's still in here is due to those who managed to live with us in secret. They have actual jobs, not $2 an hour strawberry picking. They live in the north where it's less suspicious. And you bet your ass they have fake IDs. [QUOTE=the_KMM;21958067]You know them libs love using Godwin's Law.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Entertainment/images-6/glenn-beck.jpg[/IMG]
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