Alleged sexualized hazing by football players shakes New Jersey town - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Kardia;46202125]God forbid that I try to make a point while [U]attempting[/U] to be humorous. Telling someone to "knock it off" for being aggressively disgusting, isn't the same as escalating matters through the use of physical violence. But maybe physically attacking them is a better solution than reporting them. Maybe reporting these assholes would be a bad idea. I want to know why.[/QUOTE]In most cases, the faculty are aware and at best indifferent, and at worst complicit. So reporting them could mean nothing gets done at best, or at worst that you actually be a target for serious harassment. Its the issue kids often have with bullies but amplified because of the environment and further progression through puberty.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;46202207]So reporting them could mean nothing gets done at best, or at worst that you actually be a target for serious harassment.[/QUOTE] The consequences of reporting sound similar to the consequences of physical assault then.

[QUOTE=Kardia;46202125]God forbid that I try to make a point while [U]attempting[/U] to be humorous. Telling someone to "knock it off" for being aggressively disgusting, isn't the same as escalating matters through the use of physical violence. But maybe physically attacking them is a better solution than reporting them. Maybe reporting these assholes would be a bad idea. I want to know why.[/QUOTE] It's probably because bullying would make him a snitch in their eyes and they'd just do it worse. I don't really see the issue with defending himself against some nut who was trying to do shit to him, seems fairly justified really. Also I don't see how what you was an attempt at humour in any way.

[QUOTE=Kardia;46201505]I tell my girlfriend to knock it off all the time. I don't grab her neck and slam her though.[/QUOTE] Thanks man, had a good giggle here, like wee comment chain plodding then bam, max retard with no warning, don't see that kind of surprising retardation too often nowadays and it's pretty refreshing I can tell you.

To anyone wondering what happened it involved seniors inserting objects into the freshmans asses. Some seniors even shoved their own fingers into their asses and then put them into their mouths, definitely some closeted homosexual stuff going on here.

Yeah turns out I live in the same county, every day for the past week or so since the rumors about it started spreading its been mentioned in all of my classes. Pretty messed up, people are saying the freshmen on the football team were getting their butts fingered.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;46202305]It's probably because bullying would make him a snitch in their eyes and they'd just do it worse.[/QUOTE] Reporting it has it's downsides for sure, escalation is obviously one of them. But I think that escalation can be caused by reacting with physical aggression as well. Maybe DeathTrooper always reacts with that sort of aggression, but it doesn't work, and this needs to be resolved through some other means. [QUOTE=carcarcargo;46202305]I don't really see the issue with defending himself against some nut who was trying to do shit to him, seems fairly justified really.[/QUOTE] Wrapping your hands around someone's neck and slamming them into a locker isn't defense. DeathTrooper said it himself, this was his method of telling them "to knock it off." This isn't about fairness, or justice. This is about being careful when handling shitty people who don't give a fuck. [QUOTE=carcarcargo;46202305]Also I don't see how what you was an attempt at humour in any way.[/QUOTE] I'll explain the joke as best as I can :suicide: He said that chocking and slamming a guy into a locker was just a way of saying "knock it off." When I said: [I]"I tell my girlfriend to knock it off all the time"[/I], I was insulting DeathTrooper's trivial way of labeling physical assault, which in itself can have terrible consequences. And offensive humor ahoy, not only was I insulting DeathTrooper (sorry trooper, I really didn't want to hammer this insult into you), I also alluded to domestic violence - which was meant to further my point, that physical assault is not a good way to stop disgusting behavior - and that he should approach the situation differently.

[QUOTE=Kardia;46202742]Reporting it has it's downsides for sure, escalation is obviously one of them. But I think that escalation can be caused by reacting with physical aggression as well. Maybe DeathTrooper always reacts with that sort of aggression, but it doesn't work, and this needs to be resolved through some other means. Wrapping your hands around someone's neck and slamming them into a locker isn't defense. DeathTrooper said it himself, this was his method of telling them "to knock it off." This isn't about fairness, or justice. This is about being careful when handling shitty people who don't give a fuck. I'll explain the joke as best as I can :suicide: He said that chocking and slamming a guy into a locker was just a way of saying "knock it off." When I said: [I]"I tell my girlfriend to knock it off all the time"[/I], I was insulting DeathTrooper's trivial way of labeling physical assault, which in itself can have terrible consequences. And offensive humor ahoy, not only was I insulting DeathTrooper (sorry trooper, I really didn't want to hammer this insult into you), I also alluded to domestic violence - which was meant to further my point, that physical assault is not a good way to stop disgusting behavior - and that he should approach the situation differently.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry but if what these guys were doing is like actual sexual shit like in this article, then I imagine what they guy tried to do was pretty much sexual assault and I'd honestly say that justified a physical response if I'm honest, I mean how else do you stop someone from doing some shit like this to you? Ask them politely? Even if it wasn't sexual shit whatever the guy tried to do I'm guessing would be at least be something like assault and really I don't see the problem with fighting back against someone doing that shit to you.

[QUOTE=Kardia;46202742]Reporting it has it's downsides for sure, escalation is obviously one of them. But I think that escalation can be caused by reacting with physical aggression as well. Maybe DeathTrooper always reacts with that sort of aggression, but it doesn't work, and this needs to be resolved through some other means. Wrapping your hands around someone's neck and slamming them into a locker isn't defense. DeathTrooper said it himself, this was his method of telling them "to knock it off." This isn't about fairness, or justice. This is about being careful when handling shitty people who don't give a fuck. I'll explain the joke as best as I can :suicide: He said that chocking and slamming a guy into a locker was just a way of saying "knock it off." When I said: [I]"I tell my girlfriend to knock it off all the time"[/I], I was insulting DeathTrooper's trivial way of labeling physical assault, which in itself can have terrible consequences. And offensive humor ahoy, not only was I insulting DeathTrooper (sorry trooper, I really didn't want to hammer this insult into you), I also alluded to domestic violence - which was meant to further my point, that physical assault is not a good way to stop disgusting behavior - and that he should approach the situation differently.[/QUOTE] dig more mate

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;46202775]really I don't see the problem with fighting back against someone doing that shit to you.[/QUOTE] It causes a tit-for-tat situation if it's a regular response. DeathTrooper's situation could get pretty bad if this happens. Either DeathTrooper get's pushed to the point of depression, or he hurts a guy enough to get himself expelled or imprisoned. Neither of these are good outcomes. Again. I'm not talking about justice. I'm talking about dealing with a problem.

Serious tough guys in this thread

[QUOTE=Kardia;46202865]It causes a tit-for-tat situation if it's a regular response. DeathTroopers situation could get pretty bad if this happens. Either DeathTrooper get's pushed to the point of depression, or he hurts a guy enough to get himself expelled or imprisoned. Neither of these are good outcomes. Again. I'm not talking about justice. I'm talking about dealing with a problem.[/QUOTE] Not really, if he fights back while someone tries to do shit to him then he firstly prevents the guy from doing whatever the fuck he was doing and also shows they can't just push him around and might just lay off. Standing there and just taking it wouldn't exactly help in any way.

Okay so this happened in the town next to me. Here's what I know: Some freshman got fingers stuck up his butt and then into his mouth. Not really hazing so much as being a fucking cunt [editline]10th October 2014[/editline] oh someone else already told you guys. okay should've read the thread but yeah this is spreading around my school too, [B]everybody[/B] is talking about it

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;46202893]Not really, if he fights back while someone tries to do shit to him then he firstly prevents the guy from doing whatever the fuck he was doing[/QUOTE] Can't deny that. Getting them off of himself is certainly a reasonable thing to do. But I'm thinking he was acting excessively violent and he was seemingly proud to say it here in his comments. Like this, [QUOTE]luckily i got pissed off when people did this shit to me and beat the crap out of them.[/QUOTE] and this, [QUOTE]last time somebody tried to do hazing to me, i grab his neck and slammed him into the locker. [/QUOTE] And DeathTrooper actually talked about ventilating anger (obviously these situations would make anyone angry), which is a great thing to do... but it makes me think that he may have anger issues which he is forced to keep in check, especially when in a situation this difficult... [QUOTE]i had to leave the locker room for a while to ventilate my anger[/QUOTE] Overall, I think my not so serious fears of the situation getting worse, justifies my own petty concerns, regarding people I don't even know, who live on the other side of the ocean. [QUOTE=carcarcargo;46202893]also shows they can't just push him around and [B]might[/B] just lay off.[/QUOTE] Might. Or it might get worse in future. I think it's worth talking about options here. Let's not all just applaud the guy's physically violent responses without thinking. [QUOTE=carcarcargo;46202893]Standing there and just taking it wouldn't exactly help in any way.[/QUOTE] I agree. In the short term, when caught in a situation, escape is the best solution. If physically entrapped, break free if possible, use violence [I]if[/I] necessary, then leave the scene. That's how you deal with an active situation. Long term though? That's what I'm discussing here. I don't know what to do. I think it's difficult and I think beating the crap out of them [B]might[/B] not be the best way to go about it.

[QUOTE=Kardia;46202742]Reporting it has it's downsides for sure, escalation is obviously one of them. But I think that escalation can be caused by reacting with physical aggression as well. Maybe DeathTrooper always reacts with that sort of aggression, but it doesn't work, and this needs to be resolved through some other means. Wrapping your hands around someone's neck and slamming them into a locker isn't defense. DeathTrooper said it himself, this was his method of telling them "to knock it off." This isn't about fairness, or justice. This is about being careful when handling shitty people who don't give a fuck. I'll explain the joke as best as I can :suicide: He said that chocking and slamming a guy into a locker was just a way of saying "knock it off." When I said: [I]"I tell my girlfriend to knock it off all the time"[/I], I was insulting DeathTrooper's trivial way of labeling physical assault, which in itself can have terrible consequences. And offensive humor ahoy, not only was I insulting DeathTrooper (sorry trooper, I really didn't want to hammer this insult into you), I also alluded to domestic violence - which was meant to further my point, that physical assault is not a good way to stop disgusting behavior - and that he should approach the situation differently.[/QUOTE] If you seriously have to try this hard to explain your "joke", it's not funny.

I wouldn't say getting pissed off at shit like this means he has anger issues, I think that's fairly natural, I can't imagine many people on this planet who could put up with shit like that constantly. If the guy was in the process of doing something fucked up then I can't blame him for slamming the guy against a locker.

Crazy to know that my neighboring city was having these kind of issues.

[QUOTE=Gamerman12;46200857]sometimes it's not that easy[/QUOTE] Yeah I know. I'm in a fraternity. Sure we had to do some stupid shit. But I would never have done something that was this atrocious. If I did, I would have walked away. I get the situation, but it's all about priorities. If joining a team is worth your anal virginity, then you should take a good hard look at your life.

[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;46200831]Footballers are fucking weird. My brother plays for the local AFL team here, after the grand final this season the team made him a bicycle with the seat replaced with a dildo, and made him ride it around. [url]http://i.imgur.com/dE68XpL.jpg[/url][/QUOTE] Which league??

[QUOTE=Pokeman493;46203149]If you seriously have to try this hard to explain your "joke", it's not funny.[/QUOTE] The situation was heated. People looked at my comment expecting a serious response, and when they read it, they probably read it as dead serious. While I myself looked at it as funny. I failed. I know. No one laughed except for that one guy who just though it was a plain, literally retarded response. [QUOTE=bravehat;46202360]Thanks man, had a good giggle here, like wee comment chain plodding then bam, max retard with no warning, don't see that kind of surprising retardation too often nowadays[/QUOTE] [editline]11th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;46203168]I wouldn't say getting pissed off at shit like this means he has anger issues, I think that's fairly natural, I can't imagine many people on this planet who could put up with shit like that constantly.[/QUOTE] I agree. I'm not saying the anger issues are unreasonable. I said earlier this sort of thing would make many people angry. It is an issue though. That anger could get him into more serious problems. [QUOTE=carcarcargo;46203168]If the guy was in the process of doing something fucked up then I can't blame him for slamming the guy against a locker.[/QUOTE] I think he got angry, and did more than just defend himself, this could be a good thing, it could stop all future possible incidents. Or it could be a bad thing. Could make things worse. I'm leaning toward's it being a bad thing.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;46200809]Um.... just say no? Seriously, don't take that shit from other people.[/QUOTE] There's more than one kind of hazing. One type is the voluntary type, they tell you that if you want to be part of whatever thing you're trying to join is, then you have to do it. That's the one where you can say no, but then you won't be one of them. Is it worth it? You get to decide for yourself. The other type is where they jump you and perform the hazing no matter what you say. That type is nonconsensual and unless you can fight them off, not always possible btw, it IS going to happen.

[QUOTE=Kardia;46203303] I agree. I'm not saying the anger issues are unreasonable. I said earlier this sort of thing would make many people angry. It is an issue though. That anger could get him into more serious problems. I think he got angry, and did more than just defend himself, this could be a good thing, it could stop all future possible incidents. Or it could be a bad thing. Could make things worse. I'm leaning toward's it being a bad thing.[/QUOTE] I dunno it sounded more like it solved his problem considering no one ever did anything to him again. Some times you've just got to stand up to people like this or they'll walk all over you, particularly in places where most of the people are immature.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;46203463]I dunno it sounded more like it solved his problem considering no one ever did anything to him again. Some times you've just got to stand up to people like this or they'll walk all over you, particularly in places where most of the people are immature.[/QUOTE] I got the impression that his responses where ineffective and probably excessive. But maybe I was wrong to think that. Maybe he somehow beat them up in an appropriate fashion and maybe they never caused him problems again. This could be testament to violence as a solution.

Something about being a tight end makes me wish I was a wide receiver.

[QUOTE=Kardia;46203613]I got the impression that his responses where ineffective and probably excessive. But maybe I was wrong to think that. Maybe he somehow beat them up in an appropriate fashion and maybe they never caused him problems again. This could be testament to violence as a solution.[/QUOTE] Well i should of said a better statement, basically what i did is that i got pissed off at the person who kept doing it to me over a while. Basically what i did was that i grabbed him, slammed him into the locker and yelled at him to never do it again, i didn't really beat him up though, just told him if he did that shit again i would go ballistic. Also i had some sort of anger issues back then, usually people would try to piss me off easily by doing that shit to me. Thats why i got enraged most of the time, luckily for me, the people who did that crap graduated and fucking left. I told my friends and that shit, mostly hazing doesn't happen as often as it did before. Mostly because the senior class of my freshmen year was a bunch of assholes, except i did have a few friends in that class. Another story i wanted to say was an old story that my lutheran pastor told me about a year ago, funny bastard for one thing. Back when he was in school, he had to sort of deal with the same crap i had to deal with, there was one senior in his school, about 6ft 2in. He used to harass the living crap out of him for most of the time at his school, basically to the point it frustrated the crap out of him. Then one day, the senior came up to his locker and was about to do something to him. My Pastor actually grabbed the senior, threw him into the locker, and then slammed him into the ground. Then went to the principal to tell what he did to the senior, while the senior was still moaning outside in the hallway. And for the people comparing what i did to get the guy to knock it off compared that to a girlfriend, i would never, in my life do that to a woman.

Instead of mincing words and calling it hazing why not just outright call it what it is: assault/sexual assault/rape?

I read "sexualized hazing" and I imagined an entire team tackling a lone guy and buttfucking him Damnit South Park

[QUOTE=BFG9000;46212262]I read "sexualized hazing" and I imagined an entire team tackling a lone guy and buttfucking him Damnit South Park[/QUOTE] that's what happened though

[QUOTE=Zeke129;46212226][B]Instead of mincing words[/B] and calling it hazing why not just outright call it what it is: assault/sexual assault/rape?[/QUOTE] please oh lord and savior zeke, explain to everyone how "hazing" is mincing words.

You westerners are weird