"Simpsons"/"Family Guy" crossover under fire for rape joke
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[QUOTE=Manibogi;46070012]So? Cartman/Stewie being an unfunny prick is not a good joke IMO. That's what single-handedly made me stop watching South Park.[/QUOTE]
I would also assume it's the contrast between the Simpson's usual style and the Family Guy way to do things.
Which is why honestly I think it's a pretty well set up and executed joke.
[QUOTE=Manibogi;46070012]So? Cartman/Stewie being an unfunny prick is not a good joke IMO. That's what single-handedly made me stop watching South Park.[/QUOTE]
Difference is Cartman is actually funny
[QUOTE=Manibogi;46070012]So? Cartman/Stewie being an unfunny prick is not a good joke IMO. That's what single-handedly made me stop watching South Park.[/QUOTE]
Hey everybody point and laugh at the red headed jew
[QUOTE=J!NX;46069802]it's like how south park made fun of gingers
it isn't funny because "lol gingers"
its funny because Cartman is an [B]asshole[/B][/QUOTE]
Not the best example to make considering that the episode resulted in actual ginger kids being actually bullied.
You can engage in pedantry over authorial intent all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that, in the real world, making light of shitty awful behavior actually does modulate how that behavior is expressed in real life, even if you "don't mean it".
[QUOTE=Hamaflavian;46070073]Not the best example to make considering that the episode resulted in actual ginger kids being actually bullied.
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Pretty sure the episode was made after the "gingers have souls" YT video went viral, and news outlits were reportings stupid shit with gingers.
Wheres all the outrage about itchy and scratchy? Or quagmire, whos constantly tieing up women or giving them roofies.
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;46070063]Difference is Cartman is actually funny[/QUOTE]
And he actually has friends that aren't liberal atheist dogs.
To me it was just a contrast between the two shows style of humor.
[QUOTE=andy85258;46070109]Wheres all the outrage about itchy and scratchy? Or quagmire, whos constantly tieing up women or giving them roofies.[/QUOTE]
What? there's plenty of outrage over Quagmire. His entire "joke" is that he rapes people. It's disgusting.
[QUOTE=Hamaflavian;46070073]Not the best example to make considering that the episode resulted in actual ginger kids being actually bullied.
You can engage in pedantry over authorial intent all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that, in the real world, making light of shitty awful behavior actually does modulate how that behavior is expressed in real life, even if you "don't mean it".[/QUOTE]
pedantic implies it's a meaningless distinction, but whether something is meant in ernest or is being satirized makes all the difference
This is irritating because people expect this shit out of Family Guy and while Simpsons does make lowbrow jokes their humor is typically more tasteful, so people expect it not to need to fall back on the 'edgy humor' employed by Family Guy.
[QUOTE=EmperorKabuto;46070571]This is irritating because people expect this shit out of Family Guy and while Simpsons does make lowbrow jokes their humor is typically more tasteful, so people expect it not to need to fall back on the 'edgy humor' employed by Family Guy.[/QUOTE]
[I]The joke isn't "moe you're sister is being raped" as it would be in family guy. the joke is that stewie is a little shit head who said that to attempt being funny (he says to Bart after he hangs up the phone "how was that? Was that one?" expecting Bart to think it was funny, to which Bart replies along the lines of "Not cool dude").[/I]
[QUOTE=bdd458;46070599][I]The joke isn't "moe you're sister is being raped" as it would be in family guy. the joke is that stewie is a little shit head who said that to attempt being funny (he says to Bart after he hangs up the phone "how was that? Was that one?" expecting Bart to think it was funny, to which Bart replies along the lines of "Not cool dude").[/I][/QUOTE]
Right, but it's still un-necessary imo because anyone could easily infer that even Bart has a line that Stewie would cross just by existing together. It's like, you don't need a Jimmy/Timmy Power Hour to know how it would play out, I mean, that would just be a ridiculous concept.
Remember when Roger Smith enslaved a bunch of orphans for his winery, and Steve had sex slaves.
tv shows make fun of people getting killed, mutilated etc all the time so why is rape such a big deal
Fuck off, that's a funny joke that doesn't hurt anybody. It's making fun of offensive jokes making it in favor of these guys if they were to look past the surface of the joke.
[QUOTE=elitestrider;46070673]tv shows make fun of people getting killed, mutilated etc all the time so why is rape such a big deal[/QUOTE]
I think one of the key differences is that here in America, we have a lot of societal ways of throwing away rape cases and victims. Fraternities until relatively recently were able to brush away rape incidents in order to protect school reputations, companies cover up sexual assault and articles are written telling women to just assume that harassment is 'part of the job'. Unlike people being killed and mutilated, which are not subjects of discussions such as 'this person was asking to be murdered, she was a woman in a male-dominated field!' or 'they deserved to get mutilated because they were getting way too drunk anyway.'
I love the fact that this is similar to people freaking out about when Simpsons started, and that it was over the line. Then, long after, Family Guy was over the line. Now.. This..
Grow up, if this bothers you, or you think this is bad for your kids, I would keep them out of public school, it's much worse..
[QUOTE=Hamaflavian;46070073]You can engage in pedantry over authorial intent all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that, in the real world, making light of shitty awful behavior actually does modulate how that behavior is expressed in real life, even if you "don't mean it".[/QUOTE]What? I'm pretty sure if any person was like "oh, rape's okay now?" after watching some dumb fucking joke on some fucking show then there was probably something seriously wrong with that person to begin with. Saying that this [i]insignificant[/i] "joke" is going to somehow change anyone's behavior in real life is fucking ridiculous because no it fucking won't. I'm sorry if that seems a little harsh, but I had my fill of that shit when the "gay marriage debate" was raging in the news and ultra-conservatives were trying to paint a picture post gay-marriage where you could marry and fuck puppies and children.
[QUOTE=Manibogi;46069619]I'd defend that joke if it was a funny one, but that's probably the worst rape joke I've ever heard.
And I know the joke's supposed to be bad, but why'd it have to be a bad rape joke? Why not a bad joke about a less touchy subject?[/QUOTE]Because its muther fucking Seth McFarlane. In case nobody has noticed since Family Guy premiered, Seth doesn't give a fuck. He mocks everyone without discrimination and with equality. Plus, the man has actively spoken on wanting to cancel the show, and people keep demanding more. Honestly, nobody should be surprised at this point, much less be outraged enough for a news article.
The joke isn't "lol rape is hilarious", but it's that stewie is a dick,
Of all the rape jokes Family guy has made, this is the one people freak out about?
There is an additional level in this joke I think about the difference in humor between both shows, which they are showing through the characters.
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;46069694]If this were a Simpsons episode written by the Simpsons writers that joke would never fly[/QUOTE]
there actually was a pretty bizarre rape joke in season 13 or so. it was an episode where marge gets all huge and muscular and then rapes homer, and the joke is that he's in a lot of pain the next morning
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homer literally got raped once the show went downhill, and i can think of no better or more literal illustration of how far the simpsons fell than that
[QUOTE=TheHydra;46071819]there actually was a pretty bizarre rape joke in season 13 or so. it was an episode where marge gets all huge and muscular and then rapes homer, and the joke is that he's in a lot of pain the next morning
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homer literally got raped once the show went downhill, and i can think of no better or more literal illustration of how far the simpsons fell than that[/QUOTE]
and there was that time he got violently raped by a panda and he had a bunch of wounds all over his body
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and it was like "lol what a card that homer is"
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What a bunch of WACKY contrivances!
[QUOTE=Rhenae;46071759]There is an additional level in this joke I think about the difference in humor between both shows, which they are showing through the characters.[/QUOTE]
Kinda like the showdown between Cartman and Bart in that Southpark crossover episode.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;46071134]What? I'm pretty sure if any person was like "oh, rape's okay now?" after watching some dumb fucking joke on some fucking show then there was probably something seriously wrong with that person to begin with. Saying that this [i]insignificant[/i] "joke" is going to somehow change anyone's behavior in real life is fucking ridiculous because no it fucking won't. I'm sorry if that seems a little harsh, but I had my fill of that shit when the "gay marriage debate" was raging in the news and ultra-conservatives were trying to paint a picture post gay-marriage where you could marry and fuck puppies and children.[/QUOTE]
Children are impressionable lol
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;46069576]Pretty sure Matt Groening didn't write the episode, I think it was the family guy writers[/QUOTE]
Matt Groening hasn't written a single simpsons episode for 18 years.
He was credited as writer (not developer, creator, consultant or anything) on only four episodes in the entire show. His last direct interaction with an episode (as creative consultant) was 4 years ago.
[QUOTE=FurrehFaux;46069578]People still watch the simpsons and family guy?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, as the article indicates.
[QUOTE=Jackald;46071696]I'm with Stephen Fry on this one:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq5dNcrHE8w[/media]
It's a shit joke, and I really dislike most family guy episodes, but it has every right to be aired.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure the original context of that quote was to say that offending people shouldn't get in the way of rational criticism, not a blank check to act like a dick.
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