Police officer pepper sprays line of sitting students at UC Davis
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jesus christ that copper looks as casual as watering his front lawn
[QUOTE=MR-X;33338414]They were asked to leave, they decided to not to. They linked arms, that is resisting itself. It may have not been violent, but it is still resisting. Just like if a cop asks you to come here, and you don't at that point it is resisting. There is a fine line and people need to learn it.[/QUOTE]
resisting what? You do know you don't have to do everything mister police officer tells you to do right.
[editline]19th November 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Bredirish123;33341538]The police have been skirting a fine line so far. But with multiple police abuse videos floating around the internet from these protests one must ask oneself as to when the tipping point will be reached. Eventually, somewhere, someone is going to make the first move and it'll turn into a full on riot. For it to spread all it would take is one victory from the protestors of one town/city to make others think they can do it too.[/QUOTE]
I'd have thought that riots would already be full on in the US what with that guy getting shot in the head with a rubber bullet or something.
I mean, did they even attempt to move them, or were the cops just being lazy fucks?
That guy deserves it for not wearing socks. Gross.
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Would someone [I]please[/I] hand this hard-working police officer a mug of coffee or a doughnut?
He's out there working hard for our sakes - show some respect!
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33342915]That guy deserves it for not wearing socks. Gross.[/QUOTE]
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Reverse it
Couldn't they just, you know, get behind them, grab their arms and cuff them ? And then if they try to resist force can be applied for resisting arrest ?
[QUOTE=Jsm;33338442]There is a thing known as reasonable force you know. Things like pepper spray should [I]only[/I] be used to stop people who are acting in a threatening manor or are being violent.
Heck in the UK its classed as a firearm (?? odd laws) because it can be so bad.[/QUOTE]
Nope, OC and other techniques are used to gain compliance. You think it is smart for one officer or a few to try and physically separate all those people? Get real. They're going to use OC (Which is fucking harmless, it only hurts for a little while) to get them to start splitting up and they can manage them from there.
OC was the best tool to use, it is a lot safer to gain compliance with that then to actually use physical techniques. If in the jail setting if inmates locked arms like that and tried to hold on to the bars I would have done a combination of OC and hammerstrikes on muscle groups.
I always love when people cry about proper use of techniques and when police take care of business properly.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;33339056]"Straighten up and fly right you damn kids" - MR-X
They didn't resist shit, the only thing more peaceful they could have done is gone to fucking sleep[/QUOTE]
Officer gave them a lawful order, they refused. That is called resisting. You guys are so thick, resisting does not have to be violent. Here are some good examples.
Questioning an officer's authority, Giving an officer false information, Using profanity directed at an officer, Advise or incite others in their dealings with an officer, Refusing to accept a parking ticket or speeding citation, physically struggling to get out from being restrained, anyone that hinders a police officers duty. Then people ask well what do i do if i think i was wronged, take it to the courts that is why we have them. You can always appeal a speeding ticket or other issues. That is why we have a court of law, that is their job, the street is not for that.
[QUOTE=Ogopogo;33338491]The quickest way would be to shoot them, but yet you do not see them doing that. Just because something is quicker does not make it right.
Resisting arrest is not quite the same as being violent. Chaining yourself to a pole could be considered resisting arrest, but it is not violent.[/QUOTE]
Read what i said, resisting can be both violent and non-violent. It is a umbrella term.
Anyway, before all the bleeding hearts start attacking me and spouting the normal bullshit they do. I see nothing wrong with them protest, a part of protesting for your cause is to take a bit of bullshit. If you really care about a cause you're going to get sprayed with OC, you're going to get arrested. Its going to happen when you're breaking rules and refusing to listen to lawful orders. Do you guys think it is going to be a cake walk? Hell no, look at all the major protests such as the protests for blacks to vote and various other civil rights protests. People got hit with a watercanon, beat by police and all the protesters got arrested and then once released went right back to protest to get booked in again. Just don't cry when you something like this happens, it is going to happen and if you can't handle it then maybe that person shouldn't be protesting.
Just when you're doing something unlawful and actually given a order to disperse and you refuse to, don't get mad that something like this happens. And i guess there was more to this story then the original video, i guess the protesters started blocking sidewalks and pitching tents in the university grounds.
Seriously, fuck the police, I'm not even American and I think this is fucking disgusting.
I feel sorry for US. Where did freedom of speech go? I don't see this happening in ANY other country. (first world country). Of course there are protesters everywhere, but unless they are violent, they are not met with violence.
[QUOTE=Nick Lomax;33343427]I feel sorry for US. Where did freedom of speech go? I don't see this happening in ANY other country. (first world country). Of course there are protesters everywhere, but unless they are violent, they are not met with violence.[/QUOTE]
Uh bro, this type of shit is happening everywhere. At least this isn't like fucking Libya and the national guard/army isn't be ordered to open fire on people. It could always be worst.
Its all a part of getting rights and keeping them, you have to fight for them. Other countries fought way harder then this and got what they wanted. US can do the same.
I want to know why the police felt the need to break up their protest. From general consensus here, they were doing nothing but legally protesting until the police showed up. All this drama could have been avoided by letting them continue their passive protest, so what illegal acts did the cops percieve the protesters to be comitting?
[QUOTE=Splambob;33343563]I want to know why the police felt the need to break up their protest. From general consensus here, they were doing nothing but legally protesting until the police showed up. All this drama could have been avoided by letting them continue their passive protest, so what illegal acts did the cops percieve the protesters to be comitting?[/QUOTE]
It was a part of the OWS movement, police came in to tear down tents and proceeded to arrest students who stood in their way. Students then started to demand the release of their fellow protesters they started linking arms and where obstructing walkways.
what exactly were they being charged with in the first place
you guys just continually assume that because the police said they had to leave [b]they had to leave[/b]
because fuck the constitution right guys
Right, so the reason why the cops wanted them gone is because they were planning on camping where it isn't allowed? I can understand that. But, to pepper spray protestors for obstructing a walkway? For responding to words with violence? Every demonstration will take up space, they will obstruct something. They will cause noise, they will inconvenience people. This the nature of them. At this point, the police applied this physical pressure because the students were demonstrating against their actions, however justified or unjust, and my opinion is that this is very wrong. Their right to protest should be inviolable and I believe that's part of your constitution?
[QUOTE=imptastick;33338240]That is complete bullshit, If you had asked me six months ago I would have said I respect police officers.[/QUOTE]
Pack mentality and anonymity probably sparked most of the "in-humane" actions from the police, same thing happens with the Black Bloc group.
I'm Canadian, but if I ever end up going to a protest like these I'd just bring a sign with pictures of the police being dicks from every other protest and wave it around in front of the media. It's ridiculous that things like these aren't being reported/acted on/etc.
the police: bringing the community together :)
In my university, we received emails alerting us that the school supports the Occupy protests, but any 'occupation' of school property is illegal and will get you arrested. I assume that many schools have something similar. I know University of Michigan, the next closest university to us, has Occupy Ann Arbor right on its central campus, but that's kind of different for them, because their central campus is practically Ann Arbor, and is spread throughout the city.
My point is, they were probably warned beforehand that it would be illegal or against policy.
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];33344007']In my university, we received emails alerting us that the school supports the Occupy protests, but any 'occupation' of school property is illegal and will get you arrested. I assume that many schools have something similar. I know University of Michigan, the next closest university to us, has Occupy Ann Arbor right on its central campus, but that's kind of different for them, because their central campus is practically Ann Arbor, and is spread throughout the city.
My point is, they were probably warned beforehand that it would be illegal or against policy.[/QUOTE]
People don't understand that or how it works, they would rather cry brutality and hate the police.
[QUOTE=MR-X;33344042]People don't understand that or how it works, they would rather cry brutality and hate the police.[/QUOTE]
I know that you usually completely and blindly side with the police, but are you seriously suggesting that sprayig a MK6 into their faces is appropriate force? Because I [B]know[/B] it's not.
[QUOTE=Canuhearmenow;33339062]That sure is a specific number, have anything to back that up?[/QUOTE]
I like how I need a source for an estimation.
What the fuck, that's like execution-style pepper spraying...
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Officer 1: They wont move from the road what should we do?
Officer 2: *Casually walks in and maze them*, Did it work?
Dumb.
[quote="MR-X"]Officer gave them a lawful order, they refused. That is called resisting. You guys are so thick, resisting does not have to be violent.[/quote]
This is exactly where the problem lies. It completely undermines the entire point of a protest if the police are able to come along and disband it, arresting those who refuse to move on. These guys weren't causing an obstruction, and the force used was completely disproportional. In the video it almost seems as if the police are attempting to provoke a reaction out of the people involved. Naturally people are going to start flailing around if they've had an irritant sprayed in their eyes.
[QUOTE=Canuhearmenow;33337812]Well there aren't too many other ways to break up a ring of protestors (and don't respond with, "they shouldn't be doing so in the first place") so I wouldn't really call it brutal or inhumane.
Still, it's things like this that give the moral victories to the protestors.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry but what were they doing wrong? That's fucking insane to pepper spray kids for not moving. This is getting real bad if they are allowed to do shit like this.
[QUOTE=MR-X;33344042]People don't understand that or how it works, they would rather cry brutality and hate the police.[/QUOTE]
I don't get it. You always side with the police no matter what they do.
Lazy cops is what I would call them. Why not just send in a bunch of policeofficers and drag the protestors off instead of spraying them? There's plenty of police, so I don't see the problem.
How do you justify the cops beating peaceful protestors, intentionally shooting teargas at a Marine, throwing people to the ground for walking around with a camera?
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];33344007']In my university, we received emails alerting us that the school supports the Occupy protests, but any 'occupation' of school property is illegal and will get you arrested. I assume that many schools have something similar. I know University of Michigan, the next closest university to us, has Occupy Ann Arbor right on its central campus, but that's kind of different for them, because their central campus is practically Ann Arbor, and is spread throughout the city.
My point is, they were probably warned beforehand that it would be illegal or against policy.[/QUOTE]
So your university basically told you that you're not allowed to stand still on university property?
Personally I'd be going to the administration and reminding them who is paying who money
[QUOTE=CheeseMan;33340940]I get that the rating system is to stop pointless "I agree / I disagree" posts, but I'm interested as to your views, Someguy. How isn't the government being able to forcibly stop peaceful protest that doesn't infringe on other peoples' rights an abuse of power?[/QUOTE]
I agree with the protesters cause, and I disagree with too much violence on anyone's part, including the cops. But I don't people generalising them as evil fascist nazis and / or calling for violence against them.
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