• Police officer pepper sprays line of sitting students at UC Davis
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Spraying it down a throat would be lethal in basically any case, so I doubt that (Wouldve been filmed, too) [editline]20th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=DaMastez;33359707]"O.C. pepper spray may be used when a member reasonably believes it is necessary to effect an arrest of a resisting suspect..." "In many cases, pepper spray will reduce or eliminate the need for substantial physical force to effect an arrest or gain custody. It will often reduce the potential for injuries to members and suspects that may result from physical restraint and it should be regarded as a possible alternative to such force and restrain, where practical." "O.C. pepper spray may be used in arrest or custodial restraint situations where physical presence and/or verbal commands have not been, or would not be, effective in overcoming physical resistance." It also says "Pepper spray shall not be used in situations that do not require the use of physical force." but some physical force would be needed at that point to remove the interlocked students. I don't know what you point is, probably "Do not use spray on subjects who passively resist"; linking ones arms takes effort and action. Also, note how it says "(Members who are specifically trained in the use of pepper spray for disorder control may use pepper spray in accordance with their training, and within Department guidelines, and as authorized by supervisors.)." Let me pose a suggestion. Maybe the reason so many "police brutality" cases never see the courts is because they are not cases of police brutality and only appear that way due to biased video (not covering the full event) and news (police brutality seems to make a great story) sources, incomplete evidence, and the general assumption a lot of people seem to have that the police are bad.[/QUOTE] You missed the part where it says to avoid use against crowds, as in NOT TILL YOU NEED IT, as well as minimum range.
American police seems to serve and protect the government and the richest people in society. Not anything we didn't already know though
[QUOTE=DaMastez;33359707] Let me pose a suggestion. Maybe the reason so many "police brutality" cases never see the courts is because they are not cases of police brutality and only appear that way due to biased video (not covering the full event) and news (police brutality seems to make a great story) sources, incomplete evidence, and the general assumption a lot of people seem to have that the police are bad.[/QUOTE] yeah that damned Rodney King! [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w-SP7iuM6k[/media] the video is clearly biased, that's why three of the officers were acquitted!
god that beating video is fucking intense I think the punishment doesn't fit the crime but university property is like, private property so I think the right to assemble doesn't work there i'm not sure on the laws about that but holy hell that's fucking nuts
[QUOTE=DaMastez;33359707]"O.C. pepper spray may be used when a member reasonably believes it is necessary to effect an arrest of a resisting suspect..." "In many cases, pepper spray will reduce or eliminate the need for[I] substantial [/I]physical force to effect an arrest or gain custody. It will often reduce the potential for injuries to members and suspects that may result from physical restraint and it should be regarded as a possible alternative to such force and restrain, where practical." "O.C. pepper spray may be used in arrest or custodial restraint situations where physical presence and/or verbal commands have not been, or would not be, effective in overcoming physical resistance." It also says "Pepper spray shall not be used in situations that do not require the use of physical force." [B]but some physical force would be needed at that point to remove the interlocked students[/B]. I don't know what you point is, probably "Do not use spray on subjects who passively resist"; [B]linking ones arms takes effort and action[/B]. Also, note how it says "(Members who are specifically trained in the use of pepper spray for disorder control may use pepper spray in accordance with their training, and within Department guidelines, and as authorized by supervisors.)."[/quote] Bold: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qileP4bAzek[/media] Seriously? "Linking arms takes effort"? I'm sorry, not everyone weighs as much as a small whale. And by 'physical force', they don't mean "Well, the officer will have to exert a force on the ground with his feet in order to move, so it's totally justified to force pepper spray down the throat of that guy who's sitting there and singing Kumbaya". Also, did you completely skim over 'substantial', and that part about not using it in large groups of peaceful protesters, or did you just wipe them from your memory? [quote]Let me pose a suggestion. Maybe the reason so many "police brutality" cases never see the courts is because they are not cases of police brutality and only appear that way due to biased video (not covering the full event) and news (police brutality seems to make a great story) sources, incomplete evidence, and the general assumption a lot of people seem to have that the police are bad.[/QUOTE] Or maybe, just maybe, it's because the system of law favors people who work to enforce the law? Radical, I know.
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;33359734]Spraying it down a throat would be lethal in basically any case, so I doubt that (Wouldve been filmed, too) [/quote] From re-watching the video you can sort of see an officer with pepper spray directly in front of a student, but you can't tell if the officer sprayed the student or not. [quote]You missed the part where it says to avoid use against crowds, as in NOT TILL YOU NEED IT, as well as minimum range.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't call directly spraying only the students who were sitting down "indiscriminately over a large area"; it seemed very directed at a specific number of people. [QUOTE=Last or First;33360010]Bold: Seriously? "Linking arms takes effort"? I'm sorry, not everyone weighs as much as a small whale. And by 'physical force', they don't mean "Well, the officer will have to exert a force on the ground with his feet in order to move, so it's totally justified to force pepper spray down the throat of that guy who's sitting there and singing Kumbaya". Also, did you completely skim over 'substantial', and that part about not using it in large groups of peaceful protesters, or did you just wipe them from your memory? Or maybe, just maybe, it's because the system of law favors people who work to enforce the law? Radical, I know.[/QUOTE] When you link your arms, it takes effort to do so; it's not simply going limp. If someone were to try to unlink your arms chances are you would use force to attempt to keep the link intact. I'm not saying the system is perfect, but if there really is such a wide spread use of excessive force by police as you think, then surely something would come of it.
If this happened in the UK, there would be riots.
[QUOTE=Thoughtless;33360537]If this happened in the UK, there would be riots.[/QUOTE] If this happened in the UK the police wouldn't have pepper sprayed them in the first place.
[QUOTE=Carne;33360583]If this happened in the UK the police wouldn't have pepper sprayed them in the first place.[/QUOTE] I meant if they had.
[QUOTE=Thoughtless;33360537]If this happened in the UK, there would be riots.[/QUOTE] I'm honestly quite surprised that the police reaction to these people protesting hasn't made everyone get mad.
[QUOTE=Carne;33360583]If this happened in the UK the police wouldn't have pepper sprayed them in the first place.[/QUOTE] our police are hardly blameless, there's only less bad press because they don't all carry firearms. Recently they shot that unarmed geezer and it lead to the London riots, and before that back in the 80s there was a lot of institutional racism in the British police force
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nxiaNuG0ho[/media] found this and lold hard
Jesus Christ. I have no clue how people can put up with this stupid fucking behaviour by certain members of the law. I have no patience for stupid fucking people like this. The people surrounding the cops are for sure a greater number. Fucking overtake them, for gods sakes. Yes, I know "Oh, but it's a non-violent protest", but for the love of god, people fucking stand by and don't help anyone when they're blatantly getting abused by people who are supposed to uphold the law? Fuck that shit, I'd try to start a riot against the stupid fucking cops, not sit there and chant. That doesn't get shit done ( yes it does but ghrahsjfjashfjksh)
[QUOTE=RoflKawpter;33361084]Jesus Christ. I have no clue how people can put up with this stupid fucking behaviour by certain members of the law. I have no patience for stupid fucking people like this. The people surrounding the cops are for sure a greater number. Fucking overtake them, for gods sakes. Yes, I know "Oh, but it's a non-violent protest", but for the love of god, people fucking stand by and don't help anyone when they're blatantly getting abused by people who are supposed to uphold the law? Fuck that shit, I'd try to start a riot against the stupid fucking cops, not sit there and chant. That doesn't get shit done ( yes it does but ghrahsjfjashfjksh)[/QUOTE] Some people are dicks in high school and pursue a career where they can continue to be dicks for the rest of their life. And others are awesome cops who save peoples and stuffs [Edit] looking at that makes it look like im siding with the cops, i mean the cops are dicks but not all cops are dicks
[QUOTE=RoflKawpter;33361084]Jesus Christ. I have no clue how people can put up with this stupid fucking behaviour by certain members of the law. I have no patience for stupid fucking people like this. The people surrounding the cops are for sure a greater number. Fucking overtake them, for gods sakes. Yes, I know "Oh, but it's a non-violent protest", but for the love of god, people fucking stand by and don't help anyone when they're blatantly getting abused by people who are supposed to uphold the law? Fuck that shit, I'd try to start a riot against the stupid fucking cops, not sit there and chant. That doesn't get shit done ( yes it does but ghrahsjfjashfjksh)[/QUOTE]The second protests turn violent is when everyone gets arrested or shot since it's allowed to use deadly force against dangerous subjects. This is america, not UK.
[QUOTE=RoflKawpter;33361084]Jesus Christ. I have no clue how people can put up with this stupid fucking behaviour by certain members of the law. I have no patience for stupid fucking people like this. The people surrounding the cops are for sure a greater number. Fucking overtake them, for gods sakes. Yes, I know "Oh, but it's a non-violent protest", but for the love of god, people fucking stand by and don't help anyone when they're blatantly getting abused by people who are supposed to uphold the law? Fuck that shit, I'd try to start a riot against the stupid fucking cops, not sit there and chant. That doesn't get shit done ( yes it does but ghrahsjfjashfjksh)[/QUOTE] No, that makes it a fight. As it stands now it's an assault.
[QUOTE=Funion;33338023]If I had been there when that happened I would have afterwards gone to jail for a very long time[/QUOTE] and then he leaned back in his ragged computer chair, feasting upon cheetos while looking at pictures of cats doing silly things on the internet
[QUOTE=RoflKawpter;33361084]Jesus Christ. I have no clue how people can put up with this stupid fucking behaviour by certain members of the law. I have no patience for stupid fucking people like this. The people surrounding the cops are for sure a greater number. Fucking overtake them, for gods sakes. Yes, I know "Oh, but it's a non-violent protest", but for the love of god, people fucking stand by and don't help anyone when they're blatantly getting abused by people who are supposed to uphold the law? Fuck that shit, I'd try to start a riot against the stupid fucking cops, not sit there and chant. That doesn't get shit done ( yes it does but ghrahsjfjashfjksh)[/QUOTE] Yes lets start a riot, throwing away everything we've worked for, all our credibility, and giving the police a legitimate excuse to teargas every last one of us.
to be fair, they refused to move, therefore obstructing the officers. Though its morally despicable, the cops were within their legal rights to use pepper spray if it got them to move.
[QUOTE=OrionChronicles;33364362]to be fair, they refused to move, therefore obstructing the officers.[/QUOTE]The police officer with the pepper spray in that video starts off by casually stepping over the line of people he's about to hit, in order to get a better angle. What an obstruction.
[QUOTE=RosettaStoned;33353336]Didn't see this posted yet, but then again I didn't look too hard. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8775ZmNGFY8[/media] [url]http://thesecondalarm.wordpress.com/2011/11/20/ucdavis-chancellor-video/[/url][/QUOTE] Man, I just get chills watching this video. Can you imagine being in her position? Walking to your car surrounded by people whom you had supported the pepper-spraying of earlier, all of them dead silent, just staring? I'm not saying that any sympathy should be given, but damn the impact that had must've been enormous! [b]Edit:[/b] Whoa there, did I say teargassing? I mean pepper spraying. Changed it.
I am actually fucking shocked that FP users were defending this.
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[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;33364676]I am actually fucking shocked that FP users were defending this.[/QUOTE] Idiot cull 2011. Christ, what the fuck were the police there thinking? The officer spraying doesn't seem to give a shit before, during and after the event. I know it's his job to uphold the "law", but at least show some compassion for your fellow man, he was purposefully going for every visible piece of face there it seemed. Dis-obeying orders in that case would have been a fucking amazing stand for an officer to take. The students weren't blocking [B]shit[/B]. There was an entire green to either side, and I'm sure they would have opened a walkway between them if the police didn't straight up go for "crowd-control" there.
People saying UK cops are less stupid than americans should watch the Reno 911 episode with Constable Smiley. [editline]21st November 2011[/editline] I think what a lot of people here are forgetting, OC Spray is a weapon that simply is allowed to have a lesser force to guns, it is not a tool. It's discharge is to get people to comply that otherwise would probably get hurt by you ramming them around to restrain them or to defend yourself or another against an active threat, where you'd otherwise "have" to shoot him.
Alright. I'm already preparing myself for flaming, but here goes: My uncle is a police officer. During protests, if people are blocking public access routes, WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS GRASS AROUND IT, police have the right to remove people. While these protests have generally been peaceful, they are required by law to follow officer's orders. Refusal to do so, even in a "peaceful" way is call for action. Police officers have repeatedly told them to move, to which they didn't listen. They tried to use nets to control them, nothing. So, when they finally release tear gas and pepper spray, people start throwing fits saying it's inhumane. No. Wrong. They are using less-than-lethal weapons, including tear gas, bean bag guns, etc. While fatalities can still occur, it's very rare. I'm not saying taser's simply because they can throw people into cardiac arrest. They are following protocol. My uncle, who works in Pittsburgh, has NO CHOICE to use pepper spray / aggressive means to remove people from public property. The commander in charge is the one who gives the orders.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;33358524]I thought eye-for-an-eye punishment was bad? Now you're advocating beating someone over his actions, not to mention actually beating him is much worse than what he did in the first place. But of course he's a cop and he did something wrong, that means it's okay to brutalize him, right?[/QUOTE] Except beating him isn't worse than what he did. I love how you try to downplay the situation, as if pepper spray is a mild inconvenience to the person it is being sprayed on. This officer flat out abused his power. He basically assaulted a group of unarmed students exercising their rights to peaceful protest. I certainly would be happy to hear that someone knocked him out for his actions and his job was lost. [QUOTE=CrispexOps;33367518]Alright. I'm already preparing myself for flaming, but here goes:My uncle, who works in Pittsburgh, has NO CHOICE to use pepper spray / aggressive means to remove people from public property. The commander in charge is the one who gives the orders.[/QUOTE] If your uncle cared at all for the people he is pepper spraying he would quit his job. Obviously, he doesn't.
He never pepper sprayed anyone. All he did was put the flexcuffs on them. He said they work in pairs, one uses the spray, one cuffs. He didn't want to use the spray because he says it gets on his hands and causes chaffing, so he just cuffs them. He's only been called to action once.
Your uncle sounds like an idiot if he can't deny orders to assault people (Just cops, not the army) and even more saying that he doesn't use OC cause it gets on his hands, there are gloves for that. Not saying he is, but you really make him sound like one.
[QUOTE=CrispexOps;33367645]He never pepper sprayed anyone. All he did was put the flexcuffs on them. He said they work in pairs, one uses the spray, one cuffs. He didn't want to use the spray because he says it gets on his hands and causes chaffing, so he just cuffs them. He's only been called to action once.[/QUOTE] Your uncle needs to use the buddy system in order to first handcuff a protester, then once he's handcuffed spray him in the face with pepperspray even though his handcuffs mean he's no longer a threat, [b]and[/b] the only reason he doesn't do the spraying is because he doesn't want his hands to become uncomfortable I don't like your uncle
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